Why are red light cameras still there?

Red Light Camera program over; cameras remain – why?

The stupid, Orwellian red light camera pilot program that started in NJ back in 2009, has been “over” since this past December. But why are the cameras still there?

There were no conclusive results that proved “safety” was improved (if anything “rear end” accidents may have increased due to drivers who were frightened to get “caught” by said cameras screeching their brakes on during yellow lights).

But fore sure – the municipalities in New Jersey that used these robotic pick-pockets – made tons of extra money for themselves and their cronies.

However, since they no longer issue tickets, police still say they “track” cars which run red lights. Do you feel comfortable that you might be in some database somewhere? What if they re-institute the program at some point in the future – are they going to “save” those old violations and retroactively send you tickets years later?

I’m sure you’d feel a lot better if they just dismantled them and sold the equipment to cities where this invasive policy still exists.

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(The closest camera to Hoboken is in neighboring Jersey City near the Holland Tunnel Approach)

Letter: Jersey City traffic light camera targets mostly Hobokenites

11/22/2011 Original Post:

Hoboken411 reader Andy is a bit miffed about the two new traffic light cameras installed just outside Hoboken in Jersey City. Read on to see what he has to say!

“Have you seen the traffic light camera monitoring the intersection of Jersey Ave and 18th street by the Hoboken bridge? This thing goes off constantly and in the dark it is brighter than lightening. I am sure it is going to be the cause of accidents instead of prevent them. In fact was this intersection an accident hotspot previously? I pass through it twice a day at rush hour each time and can not recall a single accident. So, I have to assume that it is there just for revenue generation purposes. But, whose land is it placed on? It is my understanding that this is Jersey city land and they have located their only camera just to make money out of Hoboken residents. Is it not bad enough that we have extortionately high property taxes in Hoboken and now we are funding Jersey City!

I am sick of Hoboken and the surrounding area taking advantage of residents to pay for their corrupt lives. My wife and I are meeting with a builder out of town to have our dream home built and to escape this madness!”

411 Note: We stopped by the gas station the other day – and noticed the bright flash as well. While it wasn’t quite as bright as lightning, it did seem to snap photos even when we didn’t witness anyone run a light (although one car “sped up” to the light – but didn’t break the law as far as we saw.)

Perhaps like the Hoboken Parking Ticket Racket that Fox 5 News covered yesterday, Jersey City hopes to inconvenience area residents with troublesome court appearances for inaccurate tickets?

7 Responses

  1. YipYap says:

    Is blocking the box due to traffic the same as running a red light? I travel that way every day and I see the new cameras continually snapping pics of cars that are stuck in the intersection do to traffic back ups, the cars enter the intersection when the light is green and get stuck and the camera snaps a pic. I believe Jersey City is taking advantage of the engineering flaws in the traffic design mostly do to the lights the controlled by the Port Authority. Jersey City is going to make millions off of this and there won’t be a single accident prevented.

    • animal_lover says:

      Yippy, you got it! It’s like traffic ticket bonanza – keep snapping and you’re bound to find offenders. Moreover, the vehicle owner would have to view the tapes and go to court to defend it.

      I feel targeted just because there’s a Hoboken sticker on my car. Oh, you live in Hoboken let’s give a ticket for no reason. I addressed this with a state Senator who ignored the issue. Guess who I did not vote for?

      I saw one chap who had a religious picture on his front passenger side window to, I imagine, counteract the traffic revenue scams. [quote comment=”212443″]Is blocking the box due to traffic the same as running a red light? I travel that way every day and I see the new cameras continually snapping pics of cars that are stuck in the intersection do to traffic back ups, the cars enter the intersection when the light is green and get stuck and the camera snaps a pic. I believe Jersey City is taking advantage of the engineering flaws in the traffic design mostly do to the lights the controlled by the Port Authority. Jersey City is going to make millions off of this and there won’t be a single accident prevented.[/quote]

  2. ewt7178 says:

    If you run a red light you should get a ticket. There isn’t a “no ticket zone” because the area boarders another town.

    I drive into Jersey City via Marvin blvd each morning and, I have to cross the Holland Tunnel traffic. There is nothing more annoying then having to wait through a green lght because someone decided to block the box. You know when you pull into an intersecion if you are going to make it or not… It’s obnoxious.

  3. Skelly says:

    Since their installation, these 2 cameras have been snapping pictures of nothing half the time. And what about the legal ‘right-turn-on-red’? there’s no signs that state No Right Turn on Red at all. But anyone turning off of Jersey Ave while the light is red will get a photo finish. Regardless if you think JC it targeting Hoboken Residents (c’mon, really, people?) The camera doesn’t ‘see’ your sticker… the sensing param’s need adjustment; there are nodes in the street, you can see the 3″circular metal inserts when you approach the intersection. -After these were installed, traffic coming/going has been even worse during congested hours. Why not complain about the condition of the roads? Targeted?…. please.

    • animal_lover says:

      Rental cares were forced to take the stickers off the back due to criminals able to piece together info from a rental making tourist vulnerable to theft, etc.Targeted here refers to towns outside Hudson county and out of state. SHeesh! Deep thinker?[quote comment=”212485″]Since their installation, these 2 cameras have been snapping pictures of nothing half the time. And what about the legal ‘right-turn-on-red’? there’s no signs that state No Right Turn on Red at all. But anyone turning off of Jersey Ave while the light is red will get a photo finish. Regardless if you think JC it targeting Hoboken Residents (c’mon, really, people?) The camera doesn’t ‘see’ your sticker… the sensing param’s need adjustment; there are nodes in the street, you can see the 3″circular metal inserts when you approach the intersection. -After these were installed, traffic coming/going has been even worse during congested hours. Why not complain about the condition of the roads? Targeted?…. please.[/quote]

  4. WillieS says:

    As a former consultant for one of these redlight vendors here is a little tip about the tickets. If you receive a violation for running the light just throw it away. After 90 days if you haven’t been served by a process server or signed for registered mail from the company sending you the ticket it can becomes null & void. Works like a parking ticket written from a private company or company with a contract with town or township such as Hoboken’s Parking Authority or Utility, or Photo Enforcement Camera company like American Traffic Solution (ATS) & RedFlex.

    I know you may think this is BS and I don’t know what I’m talking about, but I was at the meeting before the first redlight cameras in the state went live and one of the biggest issues the AOC (Administrative Office of the Courts) & private companies had was the legitimacy of a ticket issued from a private company and how the courts could legally enforce it as if issued by an officer of the law.

    The AOC ruled that since they (the private companies with contracts to issue traffic violation) can not legally force you to pay the violation after 90 day’s unless formally served with papers or proof of signature via certified mail, citing that they would treat running a redlight with photo enforcement the same as a parking ticket written by a private company or a contract with a town or township.

    Also FYI they have a speed threshold of 10-15 mph, so if you drive under 10mph where the loop sensors are (8-10 feet) before the stop bar (thick white line) the system won’t issue a ticket, instead it will be a false positive (screeching stop) and even though the lights flash it will be rejected because of the speed. Also if your front tire is on the stop bar (thick white line) as the light turns red and you run the light you have not committed the redlight violation because for photo enforcement the front tire must be in front of the stop bar (thick white line) and signal head has to be red for the redlight violation to occur.

    Remember these are revenue generators for the towns, unless it is a official law enforcement officer writing you the ticket then don’t pay for the towns inability to budget a balance and outsource enforcement of the law via a contract.

  5. astro says:

    The poles & cameras are still there because it costs them nothing to have the pole there and the power disconnected. If they have to pay to have the camera removed then it’s money spent (again). If the law changes and they can put the camera back they can just turn the power back on and recalibrate the system… done.

    I know of a handful of towns who are having officers watch the violations and writing the ticket out and sending them in the mail. Because the officer witnesses the infraction and writes the ticket it is a valid ticket. This also assumes that the person who owns the car is driving it. If it’s not the case then I’m sure (hope maybe) there’s another discussion/process that one can go through in court to reassign that ticket to the correct operator.

    In cases where the system kicks the person an automated letter where there is not witness (the camera being one) then I could see how the persons above comment would apply.

    Pay close attention and don’t follow all advice on the internet…. When in doubt solicit an attorney.

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