The real cost of St. Patty’s Parade?

3/15/2011:

Hoboken411 reader Brian Wagner wants to know if anyone shares (or disagrees with) his opinion about the annual St. Patrick’s Parade in Hoboken.

Residents vs. St. Pat’s onslaught of out of towners

“The city had 219 officers on duty for St Patrick’s festivities, of which only half were Hoboken officers working 16+ hour shifts (lots of overtime) and the rest were rented through Hudson County Rapid Deployment Department, Hudson County Sheriff’s Office and other agencies.

So who paid for the overtime and cost of the officers? We the TAX PAYERS covered that bill.

What do we have to show for it? NOTHING.

Voice your option: What if the bars and liquor stores were charged a Hoboken City “St Patrick’s Day cover charge” as a cost of doing business for this day to cover the city’s costs ? Just like the cover charges many bars charge their patrons? (not counting the price gouging)

Who currently loses: Residents who flee the city, tax payers and other no drinking business establishments (many of which were closed this year).

Does any one governing body conduct a forensics accounting to ensure the bars and liquor stores are paying their proper share to the state in tax revenues? Probably not, and do the bars actually properly account for every dollar they collect that day in sales?

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21 Comments on "The real cost of St. Patty’s Parade?"

Bullbreed333
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Bullbreed333

I have a great idea that costs nothing- do not have the parade. It is disgusting, and gets worse and worse every year as the legend spreads from suburb to suburb about the Mardi Gras of NJ. It may be too late now anyway, the parade is a mere side-note to the drinking and bars at this point…

I”m more interested in ways to keep people out of here on that day than charging the bars extra $$.

coolerking101
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coolerking101
The problem, as I see it, is general lawlessness and the fact that its not confined to any particular area of the town making it impossible to police. From what I can tell, the problem is really the house parties. People are hosting huge parties all over the city and their guests are then stumbling around town causing problems. I bet 90% of the parties that are problems are being hosted by renters. I also bet most of the arrests over the weekend involved people who had had way too many at a house party. My solution, as others have suggested, charge the bars an extra fee to pay for additional police. Also, have the city create an ordinance that on the day of the parade, it shall be unlawful for private citizens to have more than 25 guests at their residence without a permit. (I wonder if most residences can legally have that many people in their apartment anyways b/c of fire safety). $2000 fine for parties w/out a permit. Permits to be given to property owners only for their own personal use (so no handing them out to tenants). Charge $100 a pop for the permits. Use money collected from the permits to pay for cops to specifically patrol for unlicensed parties. While my suggestions are admittedly draconian, they will keep the businesses happy (who appear to be heavily pro-parade) and will contain the drunks near the bars where there can be a heavy police presence.
briank
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briank
This doesn’t sit well with me. I don’t throw house parties, but if I did the town can’t tell me I need a permit to invite people into my home. This can not he regulated by government but can be regulated by landlords and condo boards. You are correct though that most of these parties are probably beig thrown by renters (the ones that result in property damage, at least, because owners probably wouldn’t destroy their own property). Landlords inthis town need to better regulate their tenants via clauses in leases. Lastly, landlords should bear equal responsibility. If a party gets out of control and people complain, the ladled should be cited as well as the tenant. The threat if eviction for an illegal house party would make some renters think twice about hosting a huge party if they are evicted due to noise complaints. [quote comment=”204481″]The problem, as I see it, is general lawlessness and the fact that its not confined to any particular area of the town making it impossible to police. From what I can tell, the problem is really the house parties. People are hosting huge parties all over the city and their guests are then stumbling around town causing problems. I bet 90% of the parties that are problems are being hosted by renters. I also bet most of the arrests over the weekend involved people who had had way too many at a house party.My solution, as others have suggested, charge the bars an… Read more »
elainetyger
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elainetyger
I like the idea of charging for a permit for more than a set number of people at a private residence, but make it every day and not just one day a year. Make it $1 or free if no alcohol is available and $100 if it is. Then fine for unregistered gatherings and have cops drive by the ones with permits to make sure they don’t see obvious hooliganism outside. I think that not having a parade will cut down on the number of house parties, because there’s no event giving people a reason to all throw one on one date. Even the Super Bowl doesn’t get excessive house party nonsense. Sure the first year with no parade, you might get a defiance, but I bet it dies down.[quote comment=”204481″]The problem, as I see it, is general lawlessness and the fact that its not confined to any particular area of the town making it impossible to police. From what I can tell, the problem is really the house parties. People are hosting huge parties all over the city and their guests are then stumbling around town causing problems. I bet 90% of the parties that are problems are being hosted by renters. I also bet most of the arrests over the weekend involved people who had had way too many at a house party.My solution, as others have suggested, charge the bars an extra fee to pay for additional police. Also, have the city create an ordinance that on… Read more »
Mama Luke
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The problem is this. A tax still will not change the hooliganism and damgae done to hoboken and the property owned by the citizens of Hoboken by the drunks who come to our town just to party at our expense. so the extra tax as you put it, is a permit to be an asshole.

freewheelin
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I’m among those who flee town every year to avoid this disaster and stay in a hotel so I know it costs ME a bundle! I don’t think a “cover charge” is the answer–making sure it never happens again is the answer!

mooshu
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mooshu

We can make it never happen again by all of getting involved in not allowing a-holes into our town for the purpose of wrecking it. If City Hall isn’t going to do something productive, if no one is, then the answer, at least to me, would be to revolutionize.[quote comment=”204451″]I’m among those who flee town every year to avoid this disaster and stay in a hotel so I know it costs ME a bundle! I don’t think a “cover charge” is the answer–making sure it never happens again is the answer![/quote]

joey
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joey

My suggestion is, every bar that is open to serve on St Patty’s day should be required to have 2 uniformed police officers stationed near their establishment while picking up the entire tab for the day for the 2 police officers. That will solve most of the over runs in costs for this day. By the way I’m a former political figure from a different town.

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