Hoboken Police Blotter: St. Patty’s Parade

3/8/2011 Update:

Hoboken St. Patrick’s Parade moved to Wednesday

… After Howard Stern reads Hoboken411 Police Blotter

Hoboken411 simply did his job reporting on the 2011 Hoboken St. Patrick’s Parade. You have your usual photo galleries of the parade and the revelers, along with a live chat between residents – and an ongoing live police blotter of the days incidents.

Well, today – Howard Stern spent some time reading the Hoboken411 Police Blotter. Rattling off a few key points.

Shortly thereafter – the City of Hoboken announced that the parade will be moved to Wednesday next year – due to the violent nature of the day’s incidents. Funny how their tune changes – just two days after saying well how things went – and we were on a road to improvement.

By The Numbers: Parade Day Violence, so far…

  • 30 Arrests
  • 16 Simple Assaults
  • 6 Aggravated Assaults
  • 4 Thefts
  • 2 Sexual Assaults
  • 1 Robbery

This year it wasn’t just drunken idiots walking around with open containers, peeing and puking in public.

Sources in the HPD report more violence, anger and disrespect for police authority in Hoboken this year. Sources say the sexual assaults reportedly involved multiple males on single females, including a bizarre incident at the Columbian Towers senior citizens building. These are just the sexual assaults that have been reported. One police officer was nearly stabbed in the line of duty by an angry drunk wielding a knife. That guy’s lucky he didn’t wake up in the hospital with a gunshot wound.

Meanwhile, Mayor Dawn Zimmer was seen on Channel 7 Sunday morning spinning bragging that all went well in Hoboken on Parade Day without major incidents. Really Mayor?

See the list below – remember – this is just a partial compilation of what Hoboken411 personally documented. It’s likely around 40% of the actual incidents.

Hoboken crime and fire action: March 5, 2011

An ongoing list of various noteworthy incidents, crimes and fire-calls throughout the day for Saturday, March 5, 2011. This post will be updated and “bumped” periodically.

  • Miscellaneous Incidents
    12:59am: 124 Garden St. – “noise complaint…”
    12:47am: 3rd & Wash – “party passed out drunk near McDonalds…”
    (Hoboken411 took a brief break – cool with that?)
    11:08pm: Two idiots arrested at 3rd and Willow – will they learn? Nah.
    11:03pm: 1st and River – Car strikes “Hoboken Rapid Deployment Vehicle” near Lana Lounge
    11:01pm: Hoboken411 enjoys Truglio’s Hamburgers! Best on planet earth
    11:00pm: “Intoxicated Person” at 11th and Washington – what a coincidence!
    10:40pm: Fight 513 1st Street – knife involved – multiple cops responding
    10:28pm: Still alarm of fire “Odor of smoke” 320 Jackson St.
    10:20pm: 102 Bloomfield – “Very intoxicated Female” – Attractive
    10:07pm: 3rd & Bloomfield – passed out drunk
    10:03pm: Spa Diner – reports of a fight
    9:22pm: Another drunk with head injury – 95 Hudson St. – What’s up with downtown?
    9:18pm: Drunk with head injury – 93 Garden Street
    9:13pm: Assault – 6th & Clinton – Actor running southbound from 5th & Clinton
    9:02pm: 1st & Grand – Female laceration to the face “bleeding heavily” EMS en route
    9:00pm: Female passed out in cab at 505 Madison St.
    8:45pm: Double Drunk Feature: Man down 5th & River – Woman down 2nd & Park
    8:39pm: The 10th & Park fight – they’re looking for a man with gun…
    8:38pm: Fight – 10th and Park – you think they had anything to drink?
    8:31pm: Drunk passed out on ground…
    8:20pm: Spa Diner “unruly drunk”
    8:15pm: Man tried stealing liquor at Farside Bar
    8:00pm: female rape victim at HUMC Hospital.
    7:56pm: 415 Washington – street fight
    7:53pm: 702 Washington – folks tossing crap out windows
    7:39pm: Female passes out in Port-o-John – Hudson St. & Hudson Pl.
    7:35pm: Drunk Arrested at 3rd & Adams
    7:29pm: Fire investigation at 1023 Washington St. Reports of smoke on roof
    7:28pm: Three Arrested at 3rd & Jefferson 2 males – 1 female
    7:18pm: fight at 5th and Wash – EMS requested
    7:00pm: fight at 9th and Wash
    6:58pm: mayhem – fight in front of teak – and assault at 2nd and river
    6:55pm: 1315 Washington fight at Sushi House
    6:50pm: 11th and Grand “man down”
    6:45pm: man assaulted 10th & Willow
    6:37pm: 118 Washington – “fight going good…”
    6:36pm: 4th & Garden – drunk tries breaking into Ambulance “he’s in bad shape”
    6:28pm: 6th & Garden – unconscious drunk…
    6:16pm: 704 Grand St. “intoxicated male” EMS en route
    6:12pm: 55 Newark St. “Debris flying out the window”
    5:55pm: 413 Washington – ticket for open container
    5:49pm: 1st & Bloomfield – overly intoxicated male – EMS dispatched
    5:27pm: 422 Washington Street – 4 disorderly summonses issued
    5:18pm: 8th and Clinton – “Female with severe burn to the arm”
    5:14pm: “Man waving gun” at 14th Street Ferry Terminal (idiot with cap gun)
    5:06pm: 11th and Clinton – two arrests
    4:55pm: Officer requesting backup near 1st & River post office – fight (and arrest)
    4:46pm: Robbery at TEAK bar
    4:45pm: Two fire alarms – 333 River and 505 Madison St.
    4:44pm: 6th & Willow – Street fight
    4:41pm: 1024 Clinton – one injured male – and another “tearing up the lobby…”
    4:40pm: (UNCONFIRMED) but “DOA” reported at HUMC Hospital – supposedly a young girl
    4:35pm: Observer & Park – Street fight (probably over something stupid)
    4:33pm: NJ Transit Bus terminal downtown – incapacitated male
    4:22pm: two fire calls – 91 Grand and 405 Washington
    4:16pm: 460 5th Street – injured party – assault in apt 6E
    4:15pm: Sinatra Park – “Man Down”
    4:14pm: Hudson St. & Hudson Place – drunk male belligerent with Police
    4:13pm: 800 Madison – drunk female passed out – EMS requested
    4:06pm: 66 Madison – pedestrian hit by car – EMS on scene
    3:57pm: 63 5th Street – ticket for open container
    3:56pm: 106 6th Street – ticket for open container
    3:54pm: 300 Grand – ticket for open container
    3:45pm: 204 Washington St. – unconscious drunk needs ambulance for survival
    3:42pm: 3rd & Grand – ticket for open container
    3:41pm: 1st & Washington – intoxicated person – EMS en route
    3:38pm: 153 8th Street – fight
    3:36pm: 254 6th Street – fight
    3:35pm: 1st & Bloomfield – Open Container behind city hall
    3:28pm: 1001 Clinton – fire alarms activated
    3:24pm: two car accidents – 2nd & Marshall and 1st & Grand
    3:17pm: 5th and Grand – male assaulted two females then threw brick through window
    3:06pm: 3rd & Jackson – intoxicated male
    2:44pm: 10th and Bloom – open container summons
    2:16pm: 12th & Wash – injured party – EMS dispatched
    2:13pm: 606 Grand Street – ticket for open container
    2:13pm: 212 Adams – four tickets issued
    2:12pm: 102 1th Street – two tickets for disorderly
    2:10pm: 203 Court Street – ticket for public urination
    2:10pm: 219 Grand – person passed out in hallway
    1:59pm: 4 tickets issued unruly house 1014 Wash
    1:58pm: 2nd & Wash – ticket for open container
    1:49pm: Smoke reported at 805/807 Wash – turned out to be unruly house
    1:48pm: ticket for open container at 2nd and Jackson
    1:31pm: idiots throwing bottles from 333 River towards the W Hotel entrance – tickets issued
    1:22pm: 704 Washington – bottle thrown out of window
    1:17pm: 106 Washington – one ticket issued – open container
    12:57pm: Two tickets issued – 800 Jefferson
    12:41pm: “Large group walking westbound on 6th St. damaging parked cars…”
    12:35pm: Girl exposes breasts – 8th & Clinton
    12:30pm: 801 Madison – idiot pulls fire alarm
    12:26pm: 250 3rd Street – ticket for open container
    12:10pm: 1036 Garden – $2000 ticket for open container
    11:44am: Illegally parked cars 12th & Clinton – “making it difficult for buses to turn”
    11:38am: Hoboken Batman helping HPD with Traffic
    11:25am: Councilman Peter Cunningham – Car illegally parked – blocking intersection 10th and Garden
  • Unruly House Parties
    6:47pm – 323 Willow – unruly house party
    6:27pm – 827 Willow – balcony issues (“cake boss” family member)
    6:05pm – 227 Adams – apt. 9 – “out of control party” AGAIN
    5:52pm – 227 Adams St. – disorderly house
    5:36pm – 235 Hudson Street – hundreds of idiots causing a scene HPD responding for the 4th time
    5:21pm – 800 Washington – unauthorized rooftop party
    3:31pm – 116 Willow – large party (and assault)
    2:46pm – 716 Grand – HFD en route – hazard
    2:44pm – 114 Clinton – overcrowding
    1:27pm – 726 Wash – large group drinking
    1:03pm – 1st & Hudson rooftop
    12:57pm – 1210 Hudson – unauthorized rooftop – Applied housing
    12:53pm – 77 River Street – Apt. 3 & 4 & Lobby “large unruly crowd”
    12:50pm – 1015 Washington “throwing cups and things out the window…”
    12:35pm – 1026 Bloomfield – ditto
    12:34pm – 9th & wash – unruly balcony party…
    12:24pm – 9th & monroe – “overflowing balcony”
    12:19pm – 7th & Garden “Roof top party about to be busted up…”
    12:15pm – 409 Washington – House party – ticket issued
    12:10pm – 301 Grand – overcrowding
    12:00pm – 701 Garden – unruly house party
    11:46am – 408 Washington “Large party, rooftops, windows, fire escapes…”
    11:36am – 4th and Monroe – Party on Roof
    11:28am – Tickets issued – 517 Bloomfield St…
    11:20am – 1035 Bloomfield – loud backyard party
    11:20am – 120 Washington Street – unauthorized rooftop party
    11:07am – 104 14th Street – loud party
    11:04am – 61 Court Street – loud rooftop party
    11:00am – 513 Bloomfield Street – drunks!

More updates to come…

108 Responses

  1. bryan999 says:

    Hoboken should learn to celebrate St. Patrick’s Day on March 17th like everyone else!! Obviously they have to compete with Manhattan for business, thus the reason to have their own parade. Bars open early and it therefore becomes an excuse to get extremely stupid.

    I live in a building where a fair amount of the residence are mid-twenty somethings… so naturally many of them they throw parties on St. Patrick’s Day, including the IMBECILIC MORONS who live above me! The whole frickin building (renovated factory space uptown) shake and rocks as they jump around like lunatics to throbbing house music at 3 in the afternoon.

    I’m all for signing a petition to stop this faux holiday. But I think that Hoboken should keep the parade, just do it on actual St. Patrick’s Day. And ultimately lose business to Manhattan. That’s just the way it goes, Hoboken – tough crap!!

    • Adam_C says:

      100% agreed Bryan![quote comment=”204010″]Hoboken should learn to celebrate St. Patrick’s Day on March 17th like everyone else!! Obviously they have to compete with Manhattan for business, thus the reason to have their own parade. Bars open early and it therefore becomes an excuse to get extremely stupid.I live in a building where a fair amount of the residence are mid-twenty somethings… so naturally many of them they throw parties on St. Patrick’s Day, including the IMBECILIC MORONS who live above me! The whole frickin building (renovated factory space uptown) shake and rocks as they jump around like lunatics to throbbing house music at 3 in the afternoon.I’m all for signing a petition to stop this faux holiday. But I think that Hoboken should keep the parade, just do it on actual St. Patrick’s Day. And ultimately lose business to Manhattan. That’s just the way it goes, Hoboken – tough crap!![/quote]

    • BklynHobo says:

      Actually most are towns and cities do not have their parades on the 17th. Every year the couple of days after the parade the few people that can’t handle it come out of the woodwork to bitch and complain. I’m sure there were plenty of similar incidences 20 years ago but there wasn’t H411 to list them all, and for all the hags to come opine. It’s 1 day a year, most people enjoy themselves with out committing crimes, so if you can’t handle the crowds go stay at the in-law’s house for the day. [quote comment=”204010″]Hoboken should learn to celebrate St. Patrick’s Day on March 17th like everyone else!! Obviously they have to compete with Manhattan for business, thus the reason to have their own parade. Bars open early and it therefore becomes an excuse to get extremely stupid.I live in a building where a fair amount of the residence are mid-twenty somethings… so naturally many of them they throw parties on St. Patrick’s Day, including the IMBECILIC MORONS who live above me! The whole frickin building (renovated factory space uptown) shake and rocks as they jump around like lunatics to throbbing house music at 3 in the afternoon.I’m all for signing a petition to stop this faux holiday. But I think that Hoboken should keep the parade, just do it on actual St. Patrick’s Day. And ultimately lose business to Manhattan. That’s just the way it goes, Hoboken – tough crap!![/quote]

      • homeworld says:

        Up until about 5 years ago, the Police condoned and ever encouraged the very same behavior that grumps now admonish. Back then the cops would just make sure everyone dumped out their brown-bagged beers when the actual parade was over.

        I have video of fire fighters funneling beer while they’re riding in fire trucks in the parade. [quote comment=”204019″]Actually most are towns and cities do not have their parades on the 17th. Every year the couple of days after the parade the few people that can’t handle it come out of the woodwork to bitch and complain. I’m sure there were plenty of similar incidences 20 years ago but there wasn’t H411 to list them all, and for all the hags to come opine. It’s 1 day a year, most people enjoy themselves with out committing crimes, so if you can’t handle the crowds go stay at the in-law’s house for the day.

        [/quote]

      • bmacqueens says:

        20 years ago, that crowd of suburban jackasses wouldn’t have shown their faces in Hoboken because this town wasn’t safe for them. They’d get rolled by the locals, very quickly. And the fleet of trendy Bennie bars didn’t exist. It was mostly working-class shot-n-beer joints. Thus, not much to attract them. Likewise, there wouldn’t have been the house parties because they were not yet living here.[quote comment=”204019″]Actually most are towns and cities do not have their parades on the 17th. Every year the couple of days after the parade the few people that can’t handle it come out of the woodwork to bitch and complain. I’m sure there were plenty of similar incidences 20 years ago but there wasn’t H411 to list them all, and for all the hags to come opine. It’s 1 day a year, most people enjoy themselves with out committing crimes, so if you can’t handle the crowds go stay at the in-law’s house for the day.

        [/quote]

      • BklynHobo says:

        Ok, fine even 10 years ago. I visited for my first HSPD in 1999 and guess what? There were a lot of drunk people on the streets, parties in my friends building, and people acting badly as the day went on. For the # of people that were in town, the number of serious crimes reported I feel is quite low. Go get the police blotter from Bourbon St. after tonight and you will see some serious issues. [quote comment=”204132″]20 years ago, that crowd of suburban jackasses wouldn’t have shown their faces in Hoboken because this town wasn’t safe for them. They’d get rolled by the locals, very quickly. And the fleet of trendy Bennie bars didn’t exist. It was mostly working-class shot-n-beer joints. Thus, not much to attract them. Likewise, there wouldn’t have been the house parties because they were not yet living here.

        [/quote]

      • pawzclawz says:

        Rapes,Robberies,Fires and Police and Fireman being assaulted aren’t serious enough issues for you? [quote comment=”204150″]Ok, fine even 10 years ago. I visited for my first HSPD in 1999 and guess what? There were a lot of drunk people on the streets, parties in my friends building, and people acting badly as the day went on. For the # of people that were in town, the number of serious crimes reported I feel is quite low. Go get the police blotter from Bourbon St. after tonight and you will see some serious issues. [/quote]

  2. HobResident88 says:

    Can anyone who is sanguine about this weekend’s events adequately quantify the actual economic benefit to Hoboken from the ‘festivities’? I’ve read some comments above from people who seem to think that the city benefits, without question, from St. Patrick’s Day. I ask those people, to show actual evidence of the following, so we can perform an informed cost-benefit analysis. I’m sure there are other relevant questions, too.

    a) how much money is actually collected, and over what timeframe, from the tickets that are written? Let’s compare those discounted cash flows to the near-term expenses by all of the local law enforcement – including the partial diversion of law enforcement resources from other jurisdictions to Hoboken, because the cost of this weekend extends to nearby cities. And depending on what actual outlay Hoboken had to make for this additional support (an assumption I’m making), then that needs to be factored in to our analysis as a cost.

    b) how much do landlords and homeowners have to spend on repairing damage to buildings. In the case of the former what is the resulting upward pressure on rents? Any resulting increase in rent is illusory economic benefit and diverts money away from local businesses. Also, prove that the cost of this damage doesn’t hurt families. Taxpayers on single-family homes, whether they have children or not, shouldn’t have to deal with the nonsense.

    c) not 100% germane to the city’s budget, but: how many lawyers are hired to defend the people who are ticketed for unruly house parties, public urination, etc. and what are they paid? Lawyers are important agents, but their fees are widely regarded as deadweight economic loss, so let’s not forget that the money spent on those fees could be churned into local economies in more productive ways, or saved. You know, stupid stuff like that.

    d) do all business owners actually benefit? Do they benefit equally, especially with respect to their relative contributions to the city’s tax revenue? Bars and liquor stores do fine, and in principle that’s fine; they are a revenue source that enables Hoboken to provide public services. But what about food vendors? What about clothing boutiques, ice cream shops, doctors and dentists, gift shops, salons, etc… do they make money as a result of this parade? Or do they deal with the hassle, cleaning up human waste, repairing damage, and the crowding out of their normal (respectful, everyday) clientele? Food vendors seem to make money, but is that actually the case and does anyone know whether all of the vendors here want that crowd? What are the additional costs associated with running an enterprise that isn’t equipped for that crowd (especially when it’s unstable)?

    More to the point, to the person who noted businesses going under as a reason to support the apparent economic “development” owed to the parade, please provide concrete evidence that businesses in Hoboken would otherwise go under if not for the bumper crowd on Saint Patrick’s Day. In other words, prove that St. Patrick’s Day is to Hoboken what Black Friday is to the generic retail sector in our economy. If the economic mix in Hoboken is so poor that we need a day like this past Saturday in order to balance our collective books, then we have a much bigger problem that a party and all the attendant crime will not solve.

    Can the people who think that there’s nothing wrong with what took place this weekend, please provide reasonable responses to those questions above? Don’t come back to this comment without data, because your feelings on the topic are not that meaningful in comparison to data.

    Oh, and to the person who noted that rape can occur on any given night and in any city, basically asserting that we shouldn’t care about the crime from this weekend… Gee, thanks for reminding us that rape can happen anywhere, we weren’t aware (sarcasm in case you weren’t picking that up). But it’s not unreasonable to assume that if the town (read: its least mature residents and all the unruly visitors) had been on better behavior like the other 364 days of the year, then maybe that person wouldn’t have been raped. Why don’t you go talk to the victim of that crime and see if you can bring yourself to say “eh, ya know, it could have been anyone, really” . Is the “benefit” to Hoboken from the parade and the crowds so great for you personally that you can shrug your shoulders at someone being raped? Are you *sure* that people are raped frequently enough in Hoboken so that the crime committed on Saturday doesn’t matter in the bigger picture? Would you actually even make an argument like that? Finally, why don’t you prove to us that the perpetrator of that crime isn’t just some asshole who came in on NJ Transit to have fun at our expense for the day. Until you can prove that, I am not interested in your views on the relative permissibility of violent crimes.

  3. assafkip says:

    Hi All,

    Join my FB group to change the timing of the parade. Lets get this going.
    http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_208941415787600

    • pawzclawz says:

      I will join your group this evening. Facebook is blocked on my office computer. [quote comment=”204135″]Hi All,Join my FB group to change the timing of the parade. Lets get this going.[/quote]

  4. truth1 says:

    The facts to date: 1 alleged sexual assault being investigated. Of all the cases in the emergency room of HUMC, this is the one still under investigation by the Hudson County Proc. Office. According to published reports, it involved a 23 year old woman (alcohol involved) who attended a house party and went to a different location where the reported incident happened. Before we make emotional decisions, let’s take a step back and see what the investigation shows. 💡

    • HoneyDew says:

      So does this mean she was drunk and left the party with some guy and now is crying rape because she’s embarrassed of her whore behavior?[quote comment=”204136″]The facts to date: 1 alleged sexual assault being investigated. Of all the cases in the emergency room of HUMC, this is the one still under investigation by the Hudson County Proc. Office. According to published reports, it involved a 23 year old woman (alcohol involved) who attended a house party and went to a different location where the reported incident happened. Before we make emotional decisions, let’s take a step back and see what the investigation shows. [/quote]

      • truth1 says:

        I repeat – Let’s see what the investigation indicates. One thing I did learn from the previous comments is that when you have large crowds, the accessing nearby buildings without authorization is a problem. Lesson learned: Provide or Increase security for this period of time. 💡 [quote comment=”204141″]So does this mean she was drunk and left the party with some guy and now is crying rape because she’s embarrassed of her whore behavior?[/quote]

      • kooky kat says:

        Wow, you are really disgusting!

        I hope that neither you or any of your girlfriends gets sexually abused at one of your awesome parties!!!

        Jeesh.

        [quote comment=”204141″]So does this mean she was drunk and left the party with some guy and now is crying rape because she’s embarrassed of her whore behavior?[/quote]

      • Bornandpraised says:

        You are truly a repulsive human being.[quote comment=”204141″]So does this mean she was drunk and left the party with some guy and now is crying rape because she’s embarrassed of her whore behavior?

        [/quote]

      • pawzclawz says:

        WOW! Just WOW![quote comment=”204141″]So does this mean she was drunk and left the party with some guy and now is crying rape because she’s embarrassed of her whore behavior?[/quote]

  5. homeworld says:

    The St. Ann’s festival is nearly a week long and is more of a nuisance than the 1 day St. Patrick’s day parade, but nobody is complaining or calling for an end of St. Ann’s.

    • HoneyDew says:

      They will this summer. They do every year. Someone complains about accessing their building. Others complain about the noise from the bands.

      Show me a city and I’ll show you a bunch of crybabies.[quote comment=”204138″]The St. Ann’s festival is nearly a week long and is more of a nuisance than the 1 day St. Patrick’s day parade, but nobody is complaining or calling for an end of St. Ann’s.[/quote]

    • freewheelin says:

      Oh please, get real. St. Ann’s is confined to a few blocks and people are not rampaging there damaging property, puking their guts out, pissing on the streets, fighting, raping and causing mayhem. Your comparison is lame. The worst thing that happens there is someone eats too many zeppoles. Try again. [quote comment=”204138″]The St. Ann’s festival is nearly a week long and is more of a nuisance than the 1 day St. Patrick’s day parade, but nobody is complaining or calling for an end of St. Ann’s.[/quote]

  6. freewheelin says:

    OK, so there’s enough of us here who agree this craziness has to stop. So now what can we do, realistically, to get some action? If we just bitch among ourselves the issue will be dropped again after a week and we’ll have another repeat next year and the year after. I wrote letters to the mayor, all city council and the public safety director but I’m only one person. Does anyone know how we can band together and really get some sort of movement going to put an end to this?

  7. Chase22 says:

    I’m older and lived in Hoboken all my life. I moved out a few years ago because I wanted change. I had to come in town early 8am and returned about 4pm. Everyone knows about the big party! Thats what it is.

    IF you don’t like it…>>>>>>> go.

    These kids are young and for the most part I bet most are in college and in general good people letting it go for a day. They are guilty of not holding a drink. Life is way to short to piss and moan about a bunch of kids comming to town once a year.

    What would New Orleans be without the Hump Day!

    Hoboken is still a working class city. Let them have a day to play.

    • pawzclawz says:

      Can you say IGNORANT STUPID FOOL![quote comment=”204154″]I’m older and lived in Hoboken all my life. I moved out a few years ago because I wanted change. I had to come in town early 8am and returned about 4pm. Everyone knows about the big party! Thats what it is. IF you don’t like it…>>>>>>> go.These kids are young and for the most part I bet most are in college and in general good people letting it go for a day. They are guilty of not holding a drink. Life is way to short to piss and moan about a bunch of kids comming to town once a year. What would New Orleans be without the Hump Day! Hoboken is still a working class city. Let them have a day to play.[/quote]

  8. HomeTeam says:

    No denying that Stern does get results!

  9. tigerpac says:

    In regards to the move to Wednesday.

    People are going to be more belligerent and destructive than ever next year just out of spite. Mark my words.

    • john14 says:

      Really? Which is why there should be no parade, because we don’t want drunk assholes coming to Hoboken to fight and damage property.

      What an stupid comment.[quote comment=”204186″]In regards to the move to Wednesday.People are going to be more belligerent and destructive than ever next year just out of spite. Mark my words.[/quote]

  10. Bornandpraised says:

    Well, now we know exactly how bad it had to get before the city would stop this craziness.

    It is just a shame that a woman had to be sexually assaulted for the city to clear the bars’ dollar signs out of their eyes.

  11. homeworld says:

    So now that the parade is going to be on a Wednesday next year, I’m waiting to hear people complain Hoboken is anti-business.

  12. Alpuj says:

    Well I guess we will see that no one who does the actual “damage” to Hoboken really cares about the actual parade. The first Saturday of March next year will be another huge party in Hoboken, just without the parade…

    • john14 says:

      You think? What will the celebration be? Who will organize it? Promote it?

      If that’s the case, then the city should put a moratorium on any mass-organized party.[quote comment=”204191″]Well I guess we will see that no one who does the actual “damage” to Hoboken really cares about the actual parade. The first Saturday of March next year will be another huge party in Hoboken, just without the parade…[/quote]

      • hobokenj says:

        The celebration is that on the first Sat in March is Hoboken St Pats…parade or no parade. This will deter nothing.

        Who organizes and promoted this year? Residents and bars are open and people come to drink and hang out with friends on the first Sat. Most have never seen the parade or know one goes on.

        So bars will be open and residents will throw parties on Sat next year as normal but now you have added dangers…

        Will the town not be prepared for the influx of people because they feel they did their part and moved parade?

        Not having the street closures that we get with the parade, will that make it worse?

        No zero tolerance notification in bars and when entering town?

        Or does the town still do all of the above just in case and then without any fault of their own let everyone know that sat is still the party just with no parade??

        Why not close Sinatra drive…let bars put up different tents, allow open containers, have tons of Johnny on the spots and have everyone in a centralized location.
        [quote comment=”204193″]You think? What will the celebration be? Who will organize it? Promote it?If that’s the case, then the city should put a moratorium on any mass-organized party.[/quote]

    • HomeTeam says:

      I highly doubt 1000’s of people will stream into town on that Saturday, drunk, wearing green and wait for the bars to open at 11 or 12.

      This is a win for us all.[quote comment=”204191″]Well I guess we will see that no one who does the actual “damage” to Hoboken really cares about the actual parade. The first Saturday of March next year will be another huge party in Hoboken, just without the parade…[/quote]

      • bmacqueens says:

        Any bar that tries to promote a St. Pat’s Day on its own will be liable to be shut down, permanently, for violations of any of a host of rules that are never otherwise enforced by the alcohol control board or the city / county / state regulators. D’ya think anybody who’s got a few hundred thousand bucks invested, at least, will risk that investment in order to tweak the mayor’s nose? Probably not. Money talks, bullshit walks, and in this instance, the money will talk. But it will talk sense to the bar owner — ain’t worth the risk to lose that liquor license, not for a day’s suspension, not for a week, and certainly not risking a full revocation.[quote comment=”204195″]I highly doubt 1000’s of people will stream into town on that Saturday, drunk, wearing green and wait for the bars to open at 11 or 12.This is a win for us all.

        [/quote]

      • bmacqueens says:

        @ HomeTeam – sorry, I was agreeing with you, not arguing at you. Clicked “reply” on the wrong post.

        [quote comment=”204206″]Any bar that tries to promote a St. Pat’s Day on its own will be liable to be shut down, permanently, for violations of any of a host of rules that are never otherwise enforced by the alcohol control board or the city / county / state regulators. D’ya think anybody who’s got a few hundred thousand bucks invested, at least, will risk that investment in order to tweak the mayor’s nose? Probably not. Money talks, bullshit walks, and in this instance, the money will talk. But it will talk sense to the bar owner — ain’t worth the risk to lose that liquor license, not for a day’s suspension, not for a week, and certainly not risking a full revocation.

        [/quote]

      • homeworld says:

        How can a bar be liable to be shut down permanently for promoting St. Patrick’s Day next year, which actually falls on a Saturday in 2012? This is a free country and they’re allowed to celebrate any holiday they want. [quote comment=”204206″]Any bar that tries to promote a St. Pat’s Day on its own will be liable to be shut down, permanently, for violations of any of a host of rules that are never otherwise enforced by the alcohol control board or the city / county / state regulators. D’ya think anybody who’s got a few hundred thousand bucks invested, at least, will risk that investment in order to tweak the mayor’s nose? Probably not. Money talks, bullshit walks, and in this instance, the money will talk. But it will talk sense to the bar owner — ain’t worth the risk to lose that liquor license, not for a day’s suspension, not for a week, and certainly not risking a full revocation.

        [/quote]

      • bmacqueens says:

        Breach of public order. Creating a public nuisance. Unannounced sting/raid for fake ID’s, underage drinkers, recreational drugs, kitchen/restaurant violations. And weapons charges for the unlicensed firearm behind the bar.

        Believe me, if the authorities WANT to shut a place down, they’ve got more than enough wiggle room in the regulations to cause a non-compliant bar owner a whole world of grief. By the time he’s opened again, the crowd will have moved somewhere else and his creditors will be kicking down the door.

        There’s a difference between blog boasting and real dollars and cents. If a bar owner tries to re-create Hoboken SPD 2011 and earlier in 2012, the gov’t can ruin their day. Far worse than that, the gov’t can empty their wallet.[quote comment=”204209″]How can a bar be liable to be shut down permanently for promoting St. Patrick’s Day next year, which actually falls on a Saturday in 2012? This is a free country and they’re allowed to celebrate any holiday they want.

        [/quote]

      • bmacqueens says:

        Improper storage of rubbish out back or in the basement. Health code violations for having garbage and food near each other in the basement. Improper disposal of solvents and cleaning products. Lack of hot water in the bathroom. Flies. Evidence of rodent infestation. And on and on and on.

        I’m sure other folks can come up with even more other likely reasons that the gov’t could fail a bar owner who tries to tweak the gov’ts nose next year. [quote comment=”204210″]Breach of public order. Creating a public nuisance. Unannounced sting/raid for fake ID’s, underage drinkers, recreational drugs, kitchen/restaurant violations. And weapons charges for the unlicensed firearm behind the bar.Believe me, if the authorities WANT to shut a place down, they’ve got more than enough wiggle room in the regulations to cause a non-compliant bar owner a whole world of grief. By the time he’s opened again, the crowd will have moved somewhere else and his creditors will be kicking down the door.There’s a difference between blog boasting and real dollars and cents. If a bar owner tries to re-create Hoboken SPD 2011 and earlier in 2012, the gov’t can ruin their day. Far worse than that, the gov’t can empty their wallet.

        [/quote]

      • Commonsensesays says:

        They can promote it as FAKE St Patty’s Day, St Patty’s Day is canceled, or F U 1st annual tradition remembrance day. Non of those will get you shut down. These people lack so much common sense it’s unreal.[quote comment=”204209″]How can a bar be liable to be shut down permanently for promoting St. Patrick’s Day next year, which actually falls on a Saturday in 2012? This is a free country and they’re allowed to celebrate any holiday they want. [/quote]

      • laffingnetizen says:

        NY Times Article re: Hoboken St. Pattys:

        http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/09/nyregion/09hoboken.html?hpquote comment=”204214″]They can promote it as FAKE St Patty’s Day, St Patty’s Day is canceled, or F U 1st annual tradition remembrance day. Non of those will get you shut down. These people lack so much common sense it’s unreal.

        [/quote]

  13. Commonsensesays says:

    Do you idiots honestly think people come to Hoboken on FAKE St Patty’s Day to watch a parade?!? How far from reality do you people live? I’m guessing extremely far, far away from it. Hoboken has long been known as a party town, they even boasted about it by hanging banners up bragging how Hoboken was voted 12th best college town. And before you begin to rattle off your response “voting best college town doesn’t have anything to do with parties, getting drunk, etc.” save your lame rebuttal because everyone knows that college towns are not known for their “academics” or “athletic programs”.

    I live on Washington St above a bar, yeah I know that’s shocking since Hoboken has more bars per square foot than the ghetto has liquor stores and check cashing places per square inch, and I see the same issues almost every night where a fight breaks out on the side walk, someone pukes in front of the door to get into the building, or people get loud and argue. Fact is this time next year the same people will be crying about the same things. And save the “2 people were raped” argument for reasons to cancel everyday living since rapes also occur with all other every day non-events.

    If you really want to do something about the problems that take place on “FAKE St. Patty’s Day”, then go repeal the 21st amendment. (To save you some time the 21st amendment repeals the 18th amendment which was Prohibition of Alcohol)

    So with the parade now moved during the week, the feeling as though you won a battle and put a stop to the chaos, here is the SPOILER ALERT “A Parade will not stop the bars or residence from having parties the first Saturday of every March, since it will be carrying on an annual Hoboken tradition”.

    Oh and please try poking holes in this argument so you can contradict yourselves even more

    • bmacqueens says:

      @Commonsensesays – the parade is going to be in the middle of the work week. The hordes of douchebags who swamp this town are not going to be skipping their day jobs to go drink in Hoboken. (Yes, I do believe that a big chunk of them work during the week.) They’re simply not going to waste two days off on it – one to show up and the other to sleep it off. The locals can have their own little parties, but it won’t be nearly so insane when it’s on a Wed., mid-day. As for underagers and college kids – it’s possible that they’ll show up, but much less likely. Face it – getting drunk mid-day in Hoboken isn’t going to be nearly as much fun on a school day as it is on Sat. morning when you can sleep it off for the next day and a half.[quote comment=”204202″]Do you idiots honestly think people come to Hoboken on FAKE St Patty’s Day to watch a parade?!? How far from reality do you people live? I’m guessing extremely far, far away from it. Hoboken has long been known as a party town, they even boasted about it by hanging banners up bragging how Hoboken was voted 12th best college town. And before you begin to rattle off your response “voting best college town doesn’t have anything to do with parties, getting drunk, etc.” save your lame rebuttal because everyone knows that college towns are not known for their “academics” or “athletic programs”. I live on Washington St above a bar, yeah I know that’s shocking since Hoboken has more bars per square foot than the ghetto has liquor stores and check cashing places per square inch, and I see the same issues almost every night where a fight breaks out on the side walk, someone pukes in front of the door to get into the building, or people get loud and argue. Fact is this time next year the same people will be crying about the same things. And save the “2 people were raped” argument for reasons to cancel everyday living since rapes also occur with all other every day non-events. If you really want to do something about the problems that take place on “FAKE St. Patty’s Day”, then go repeal the 21st amendment. (To save you some time the 21st amendment repeals the 18th amendment which was Prohibition of Alcohol) So with the parade now moved during the week, the feeling as though you won a battle and put a stop to the chaos, here is the SPOILER ALERT “A Parade will not stop the bars or residence from having parties the first Saturday of every March, since it will be carrying on an annual Hoboken tradition”.Oh and please try poking holes in this argument so you can contradict yourselves even more[/quote]

      • Commonsensesays says:

        Ok someone missed the key point, but it’s okay because most people only see key words and form their opinion of what the key issue is.

        No one is going to come to a parade in the middle of week, because people don’t just decide “hey let’s go watch a parade & get wasted”. It’s a tradition & since people could care less to watch a parade, so for fiscal sakes let’s hope that the parade is only 2-3 blocks long since I’m sure, sorry positive that the turn out for this parade will be just shy of the amount of morons who wait in line at Carlos Bakery on a rainy day. So with that said the parade isn’t the draw for people to come out and party in Hoboken the 1st Saturday of March. Hoboken has other parades and they don’t seem to draw large crowds who get drunk afterwards. Parade during the week = no solution to the problem since they will still come on Saturday since none of those people care about it, just the tradition of partying on the 1st Saturday in March for Fake St Patty’s day!
        [quote comment=”204204″]@Commonsensesays – the parade is going to be in the middle of the work week. The hordes of douchebags who swamp this town are not going to be skipping their day jobs to go drink in Hoboken. (Yes, I do believe that a big chunk of them work during the week.) They’re simply not going to waste two days off on it – one to show up and the other to sleep it off. The locals can have their own little parties, but it won’t be nearly so insane when it’s on a Wed., mid-day. As for underagers and college kids – it’s possible that they’ll show up, but much less likely. Face it – getting drunk mid-day in Hoboken isn’t going to be nearly as much fun on a school day as it is on Sat. morning when you can sleep it off for the next day and a half.[/quote]

      • HansBrix says:

        Actually 19 years ago the town cancelled its annual Spring fest in the wake of a drunken low intensity riot which was a lot like the one here last Saturday.

        Plenty of drunken suburban invaders, trash, property damage, etc.

        Just saying. [quote comment=”204204″]@Commonsensesays – the parade is going to be in the middle of the work week. The hordes of douchebags who swamp this town are not going to be skipping their day jobs to go drink in Hoboken. (Yes, I do believe that a big chunk of them work during the week.) They’re simply not going to waste two days off on it – one to show up and the other to sleep it off. The locals can have their own little parties, but it won’t be nearly so insane when it’s on a Wed., mid-day. As for underagers and college kids – it’s possible that they’ll show up, but much less likely. Face it – getting drunk mid-day in Hoboken isn’t going to be nearly as much fun on a school day as it is on Sat. morning when you can sleep it off for the next day and a half.

        [/quote]

  14. HoneyDew says:

    St. Patrick’s Day is March 17. March 17 is a Saturday in 2012. Ha-ha. Joke’s on you people.

    • bmacqueens says:

      HD – c’mon, use your brain. All the douchebags are going to be in Manhattan for the big magilla of the SPD parades. You’re smarter than that. They’re your peeps! Don’t get left behind![quote comment=”204208″]St. Patrick’s Day is March 17. March 17 is a Saturday in 2012. Ha-ha. Joke’s on you people.[/quote]

      • HoneyDew says:

        I don’t know anyone who watches the parade. We just drink. Duh.[quote comment=”204211″]HD – c’mon, use your brain. All the douchebags are going to be in Manhattan for the big magilla of the SPD parades. You’re smarter than that. They’re your peeps! Don’t get left behind!

        [/quote]

      • freewheelin says:

        You’re a class act, melonhead. How about you spare the rest of us the stupidity that results when you do?[quote comment=”204220″]I don’t know anyone who watches the parade. We just drink. Duh.

        [/quote]

    • therayman says:

      Good One!!![quote comment=”204208″]St. Patrick’s Day is March 17. March 17 is a Saturday in 2012. Ha-ha. Joke’s on you people.[/quote]

  15. NJDevils1087 says:

    From LaffingNetizen’s linked article:

    Large crowds began to cram into numerous house parties, which the city’s police chief characterized in a letter to residents as the “largest problem on the parade day.”

    Pretty sure that people getting raped/assaulted/robbed are the largest problem there chief, not people having friends over for the afternoon.

  16. freewheelin says:

    NY Times article about our annual day of “lawlessness.” Doesn’t it make you proud, party people? nytimes.com/2011/03/09/nyregion/09h...8;scp=1&sq=hoboken&st=cse

  17. Alpuj says:

    According to Hoboken’s City Code 68-4 A.4 “No licensee shall serve, deliver or allow, permit or refer the sale, service or delivery of any alcoholic beverages or allow or permit the consumption of any alcoholic beverage on the licensed premises on: Saturday, between the hours of 3:00 a.m. and 6:00 a.m., and on all other days, between the hours of 2:00 a.m. and 6:00 a.m.”

    Therefore there is nothing to stop any bar from opening up at 9AM on Saturday March 3rd 2012 and advertising for such an event. Changing the date of the parade is not going to change that. If the goal is to make the St. Patty’s Parade a more family friendly event then sure, having a midweek parade is great. If you think moving the parade is going to have any discernable change in the number of drunks on the first Saturday in March, I think you are wrong. Even if the city doesn’t advertise the event nowadays with the amount of connectivity there is with social media (facebook, twitter, etc…) its fairly easy to organize thousands of people to come to Hoboken for fake St. Patty’s minus the parade.

  18. Bornandpraised says:

    At last we see the true face of the parade defenders. One would think all the “responsible” partiers who supposedly only go to house parties and clean up after themselves meticulously would applaud the moving of the parade, because if all your “small percentage” of bad apples are dissuaded from coming to the city, you can have your non-disruptive fun in peace. Instead, there are threats of worse behavior next year.

    If you don’t think there will be less of a turnout next year, you are deluding yourself. Without the parade, there are no extra trains and buses into the city. There are no city officials turning a blind eye to bar overcrowding and early openings. There are no police stretched too thin trying to guard the entire parade route. There are more responsible people staying in town and reporting disturbances.

    And to the logician who said that the rapes weren’t a factor: There were 3 rapes in the entirety of last year in Hoboken. There were two over Fake St. Patrick’s Day weekend. If you can’t see the problem, there’s nothing anyone can do to help you.

    • Commonsensesays says:

      Wow your logic is so eschewed with the rape statistic it’s not even funny…. Oh wait yes it is.

      Essential you are saying that fake St Patty’s Day Parade led to the 2 rapes; wait sorry the 1 actual rape that Hoboken411 reported was filed by police, because there was a Parade that brought more people to Hoboken which led to drinking, which caused people to get drunk and raped 1 person. That is like saying, a priest in Hoboken raped someone on Sunday, therefore you should change the day which people attend church and to avoid priests because they cause rapes to occur on Sundays.

      So with that said the “logician who said that rapes weren’t a factor” has proven that in fact there is NO correlation with the number of rape(s) occurring during fake St Patty’s Day than any one other single day of the year!

      Good try though…[quote comment=”204233″]At last we see the true face of the parade defenders. One would think all the “responsible” partiers who supposedly only go to house parties and clean up after themselves meticulously would applaud the moving of the parade, because if all your “small percentage” of bad apples are dissuaded from coming to the city, you can have your non-disruptive fun in peace. Instead, there are threats of worse behavior next year.If you don’t think there will be less of a turnout next year, you are deluding yourself. Without the parade, there are no extra trains and buses into the city. There are no city officials turning a blind eye to bar overcrowding and early openings. There are no police stretched too thin trying to guard the entire parade route. There are more responsible people staying in town and reporting disturbances.And to the logician who said that the rapes weren’t a factor: There were 3 rapes in the entirety of last year in Hoboken. There were two over Fake St. Patrick’s Day weekend. If you can’t see the problem, there’s nothing anyone can do to help you.[/quote]

      • Bornandpraised says:

        Yes, you have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that you have no idea what correlation means. Bravo.[quote comment=”204273″]Wow your logic is so eschewed with the rape statistic it’s not even funny…. Oh wait yes it is. Essential you are saying that fake St Patty’s Day Parade led to the 2 rapes; wait sorry the 1 actual rape that Hoboken411 reported was filed by police, because there was a Parade that brought more people to Hoboken which led to drinking, which caused people to get drunk and raped 1 person. That is like saying, a priest in Hoboken raped someone on Sunday, therefore you should change the day which people attend church and to avoid priests because they cause rapes to occur on Sundays. So with that said the “logician who said that rapes weren’t a factor” has proven that in fact there is NO correlation with the number of rape(s) occurring during fake St Patty’s Day than any one other single day of the year! Good try though…

        [/quote]

      • Commonsensesays says:

        Hmmm yeah your right YOU don’t know what correlation means, so here is the definition or did Webster get it wrong?!?

        Correlation –noun
        1. mutual relation of two or more things, parts, etc.
        2. the act of correlating or state of being correlated.
        3. Statistics . the degree to which two or more attributes or measurements on the same group of elements show a tendency to vary together.
        4.Physiology . the interdependence or reciprocal relations of organs or functions.
        5. Geology . the demonstrable equivalence, in age or lithology, of two or more stratigraphic units, as formations or members of such.

        [quote comment=”204281″]Yes, you have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that you have no idea what correlation means. Bravo.[/quote]

      • Bornandpraised says:

        I’m going to start off by saying that I’m not going to waste any more time with you after this (barring some criteria at the end). You have shown that you are not just ignorant, but proudly ignorant, so there’s nothing for me to be gained by any further interaction with you. I’m happy letting the record speak for itself.

        See that third entry in the definition? Statistics? That is what we are talking about here. It may surprise you to know that there is an entire field of mathematics based about it, and “correlation” has a much larger technical definition that presented in whatever online dictionary you used. There is actual math that can be done to prove my point about the correlation of the increase in rapes and Fake St. Patrick’s Day to a statistically significant degree. This is a fact.

        Now, unless you are willing to go and do your own analysis to show that there is no statistically significant correlation so I can show you where you made your mistakes, I’m done talking to you. And for anyone knowledgeable on the subject, I’m sorry to dumb it down so much, but look at my subject. [quote comment=”204285″]Hmmm yeah your right YOU don’t know what correlation means, so here is the definition or did Webster get it wrong?!?Correlation –noun
        1. mutual relation of two or more things, parts, etc.
        2. the act of correlating or state of being correlated.
        3. Statistics . the degree to which two or more attributes or measurements on the same group of elements show a tendency to vary together.
        4.Physiology . the interdependence or reciprocal relations of organs or functions.
        5. Geology . the demonstrable equivalence, in age or lithology, of two or more stratigraphic units, as formations or members of such.

        [/quote]

      • Commonsensesays says:

        No ignorance is what you have abundance of my friend, this shows on how you process and interpret information. This is very apparent as how you were given a definition of the word and jumped to the 3rd meaning of the word which takes the first 2 meanings and begins to break it down into different fields to which the definition can be applied too. But your ignorance clouded your mind and tried to “dumb it down for everyone else.

        And I fully expect you not to get the point since you kept clearly missing the point I was making that 1, yes 1, raped happened on March 5th, and all those narrow minded, ignorant idiots have now made feeble minded idiots think there is a correlation with Fake St Patty’s Day Parade and rapes.

        So yes let the record speak for itself that you are a narrow minded idiot who is, just guessing by the “bornandpraised” name you chose, a bible beater who sits around all day and judges others, when your bible clearly says thou shall not judge.
        [quote comment=”204308″]I’m going to start off by saying that I’m not going to waste any more time with you after this (barring some criteria at the end). You have shown that you are not just ignorant, but proudly ignorant, so there’s nothing for me to be gained by any further interaction with you. I’m happy letting the record speak for itself.See that third entry in the definition? Statistics? That is what we are talking about here. It may surprise you to know that there is an entire field of mathematics based about it, and “correlation” has a much larger technical definition that presented in whatever online dictionary you used. There is actual math that can be done to prove my point about the correlation of the increase in rapes and Fake St. Patrick’s Day to a statistically significant degree. This is a fact.Now, unless you are willing to go and do your own analysis to show that there is no statistically significant correlation so I can show you where you made your mistakes, I’m done talking to you. And for anyone knowledgeable on the subject, I’m sorry to dumb it down so much, but look at my subject. [/quote]

      • hobokenj says:

        Your stats are flawed. Toyse stats and correlations you need facts and you have zero at this time. Tjhese are Alleged rapes that are being used as a catlyst for anti Hoboken St Pattys day. Nothing has been proven yet.

        PS. I am not condoning or trying to make light of a serious serious crime, that if found true should be punishable by the severist of penalties.[quote comment=”204308″]I’m going to start off by saying that I’m not going to waste any more time with you after this (barring some criteria at the end). You have shown that you are not just ignorant, but proudly ignorant, so there’s nothing for me to be gained by any further interaction with you. I’m happy letting the record speak for itself.See that third entry in the definition? Statistics? That is what we are talking about here. It may surprise you to know that there is an entire field of mathematics based about it, and “correlation” has a much larger technical definition that presented in whatever online dictionary you used. There is actual math that can be done to prove my point about the correlation of the increase in rapes and Fake St. Patrick’s Day to a statistically significant degree. This is a fact.Now, unless you are willing to go and do your own analysis to show that there is no statistically significant correlation so I can show you where you made your mistakes, I’m done talking to you. And for anyone knowledgeable on the subject, I’m sorry to dumb it down so much, but look at my subject. [/quote]

      • Bornandpraised says:

        My statistics are not flawed, and we have all the facts we need. The only thing that needs to be finalized is how many of the cases are prosecuted. The fact that they occurred during the “harmless” Fake St. Patrick’s Day is a matter of record. There is more than ample evidence to prove a significant statistical correlation between the frequency of sexual assault allegations and the 2011 Fake St. Patrick’s Day celebration.

        If you are willing to provide your math as to why there is not a correlation, I am more than happy to point out where they fail as well. At least you realize the seriousness of the crime, as opposed to those parade supporters blaming the victims and minimizing the crime because they want to keep their day of mayhem.[quote comment=”204322″]Your stats are flawed. Toyse stats and correlations you need facts and you have zero at this time. Tjhese are Alleged rapes that are being used as a catlyst for anti Hoboken St Pattys day. Nothing has been proven yet. PS. I am not condoning or trying to make light of a serious serious crime, that if found true should be punishable by the severist of penalties.

        [/quote]

      • NJDevils1087 says:

        Actually there’s not, because in statistics you need a minimum sample size to even begin to prove correlation. 1 is nowhere near a viable correlation-proving standard. Try running a regression on data of 1. You can’t even DRAW a line, because you don’t have two separate points.[quote comment=”204323″]My statistics are not flawed, and we have all the facts we need. The only thing that needs to be finalized is how many of the cases are prosecuted. The fact that they occurred during the “harmless” Fake St. Patrick’s Day is a matter of record. There is more than ample evidence to prove a significant statistical correlation between the frequency of sexual assault allegations and the 2011 Fake St. Patrick’s Day celebration.If you are willing to provide your math as to why there is not a correlation, I am more than happy to point out where they fail as well. At least you realize the seriousness of the crime, as opposed to those parade supporters blaming the victims and minimizing the crime because they want to keep their day of mayhem.

        [/quote]

      • Commonsensesays says:

        This guy is an idiot! It was only one rape, & no one is making it seem like a joke because it’s not, but 1 rape is no argument to use to move or cancel a Parade. I’m sure if we went through years of reported rapes and found that lets say in 82, 94, 07 that a rape was reported on Christmas day and found that only 1 rape was reported on the day of the Parade he would argue well that is just a “coincidence” that those rapes happened to fall on Christmas day.

        This person is narrowed minded and wants to use the 1 rape as reason for why the tradition of Hoboken celebrating St Patty’s Day the first Saturday of every March should be moved to the week day.

        They should put a poll up and ask people “Why do you come to Hoboken to celebrate St Patty’s Day?” with 3 choices.
        1. To watch the Parade
        2. To watch the Parade and go to bars and/or house parties
        3. To go to house parties and/or bars
        I’m sure the results would be in the following order 3,2,1 (Oh they would have to make sure that the person could only vote once, I’m sure a select few would be voting for 1 until they break their mouse)
        [quote comment=”204322″]Your stats are flawed. Toyse stats and correlations you need facts and you have zero at this time. Tjhese are Alleged rapes that are being used as a catlyst for anti Hoboken St Pattys day. Nothing has been proven yet. PS. I am not condoning or trying to make light of a serious serious crime, that if found true should be punishable by the severist of penalties.[/quote]

  19. pawzclawz says:

    Fantastic reporting job as usual H411! and thanks to Howard Stern for getting a hold of Saturday’s debauchery.

    • The Professor says:

      Ditto. Impressive to hear that 411’s incredible reporting job led to a discussion by Howard Stern! The list of all these incidents in such close succession (minute after minute sometimes) is what got my attention the most.[quote comment=”204256″]Fantastic reporting job as usual H411! and thanks to Howard Stern for getting a hold of Saturday’s debauchery.[/quote]

  20. mooshu says:

    I guess Chase22 has no idea that while Hoboken is a city with working people in it, that people still play on the weekends (unless they blindly devote their existences to a job that doesn’t do anything for them). We DO have avenues upon avenues of bars and restaurants, plus a waterfront that’s only partially disintegrating into the river which offers a fabulous view of the city.

    Jeez, wake up.

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