Council Meeting tonight: Massive attendance

9/15/2010 Update:

Note: See four part video archive of 9/15/2010 Council Meeting after the break…

Mayhem at City Hall expected!

The Hoboken City Council meets tonight at 7pm with the appointment of an Interim Corporation Counsel and a resolution calling on the Mayor to rescind layoff notices to 18 young police officers at the top of the agenda.

You can review the council agenda and supporting documents (at least those the Mayor’s office decided to provide ahead of time), and come back later for the live video stream of the meeting.

A huge crowd is expected, but as you see below, a request to relocate the meeting to a larger venue so those both for and against the police layoffs could offer their thoughts to the council was rejected for political reasons.

See Video Archives of meeting, more on Carol Marsh – plus original letter from PBA President Lombardi after the jump…

9/15/2010 Video Archives:

City Council Meeting 9/15/2010 Part I

City Council Meeting 9/15/2010 Part II

City Council Meeting 9/15/2010 Part III

City Council Meeting 9/15/2010 Part IV

9/10/2010 Update:

Hoboken PBA requests council venue change

Carol Marsh to Public: Go scratch!
(Hypocritical Council President rejects call for larger meeting venue)

One of the government’s most effective tactics for squelching public participation is to limit the time and space for the public to appear and comment.

Councilwoman Carol Marsh knew this back in April of 2005 when she supported a move to relocate a City Council meeting to the Wallace School auditorium.

A large crowd of downtown residents, artists, activists and small business owners were expected to turn out in opposition to Mayor David Roberts’ plan to up-zone the Municipal Garage property and Neumann Leather complex for 14-story high-rise buildings. Marsh was running for Mayor at the time and wanted the biggest crowd of opposition possible to embarrass Roberts and his allies on the council, so she also wanted the biggest room possible to hold the meeting.

When it suited her agenda, Marsh was all for a change of venue to a larger meeting location.

Marsh says “No!” to public and Hoboken PBA

Marsh is singing a different tune now that she’s the Council President facing a major backlash for Mayor Dawn Zimmer’s plan to lay off Police Officers.

Instead of following her own advice from 5 years ago and agreeing to relocate the meeting to a venue that can house the expected crowd of hundreds, Marsh is rejecting the request. Here’s how Marsh responded today to PBA President Vince Lombardi’s call to accommodate the expected crowd:

“We have received a request that our next council meeting be held in a venue to accommodate up to 500 people. While it is appropriate and important that we listen to the public, we must balance the need to hear from members of the public against the need to conduct the City’s business. As a result, in consultation with Mayor Zimmer, we plan to provide an overflow room in City Hall to accommodate additional members of the public who may wish to attend the upcoming meeting.”

– Council President (and hypocrite) Carol Marsh

An overflow room (most likely the small basement meeting room) won’t come close to accommodating the expected overflow crowd. This tactic is designed to squelch public comment and make the crowd strength against the layoffs appear smaller than it is. Whether a person supports or opposes the Zimmer police layoffs their right to speak, be seen and heard by their government will be effected by the lack of proper meeting accommodations. Marsh apparently doesn’t believe every member of the public has the right to see his or her elected representatives in action at a public meeting.

“In order to balance the need for community input while conducting the City’s business, we plan to allow a reasonable period of time at the beginning of the meeting for the public to speak on the resolution which was tabled at the last council meeting.”

Marsh doesn’t explain what she feels is a “reasonable period of time”, but she has shown from experience she is very willing to change the council rules to cut the amount of public comment.

“As always, additional community input can be provided during the public portion of the meeting. We will work closely with Police Chief Falco, and we are confident in his department’s ability to maintain a safe environment for everyone as they did at the prior meeting.”

Anyone who has seen the video of the last meeting can tell the room was filled well beyond legal capacity and could have been closed down by the Fire Department at any time. Chief Falco was instrumental in keeping things under control, but a much larger crowd in the same space may be more difficult to handle. A larger crowd in a larger venue is a much easier task to control when you remove the issues of overcrowding, high temperatures, and the occasionally baiting of officers that was attempted by some of Zimmer’s closest allies at the last meeting.

“Council meetings are just one way for the public to provide input to their elected officials… all members of the council can be contacted via the email addresses which are published on the city website, www.hobokennj.org.”

Translation: Carol Marsh doesn’t want to see or hear from you if you want to air your concerns directly to the council under your Open Public Meetings Act rights. She wants you to send an e-mail that can be easily ignored and deleted.

For more on Carol Marsh’s flip-flopping, take a look at this retrospective on her political career decisions.

9/8/2010:

Seeking out larger space to accommodate up to 500

The Hoboken PBA today requested that the next City Council meeting venue get changed to allow the expected 500 extra people to attend.

The following letter was sent by PBA President Vince Lombardi to City Clerk Jimmy Farina, Mayor Dawn Zimmer and Council President Carol Marsh.

Re: Request for Location Change for 09-15-10 City Council Meeting.

Dear Mr. City Clerk:

I am respectfully requesting that the City of Hoboken move the regular Hoboken City Council meeting scheduled for Wednesday, September 15, 2010 from the usual City Hall Municipal Court Chambers to a larger venue to better accommodate members of the public.

I am expecting approximately 400 ~ 500 members of the community, especially senior citizens, who have contacted me-wanting to attend this upcoming meeting.

It is within the best interest of both the community and the city to change the location of this meeting to accommodate all persons wishing to attend in a facility that has adequate space, ventilation, air-conditioning for safety and health reasons.

My recommendation for a location that would best suit the public’s health and safety needs would be that of the Wallace Primary School auditorium gymnasium.

Vince Lombardi
President

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35 Comments on "Council Meeting tonight: Massive attendance"

BarbaraR56
Member
BarbaraR56

JMHO, but what about less promotions and getting the supervisory police officers back in the street. To leave a town of 60,000 residents with fewer police officers is not comforting. To the poster who said if it were DPW workers, municipal workers etc. losing their jobs would there be such a rally? ABSOLUTELY NOT!!! The “boys in blue” are a brotherhood!! Wonder what else they are going to blame on the NJEA? Boy I can hear the rustle of the recall papers already for both Zimmer and Christie! 8)

wiskeytango1
Member
wiskeytango1

barbara we know each other..put in your mind that knowing something about pd logistics the supervisors are in the street day an night..I know..for a fact..there are unmarked cars and narcos as well.. These shims think that all supervisors stay upstairs in their office and play x box games…Nothing can be done..bottom line they yups hate bnr..imagine they came here to settle but now want to alter the lives of working people from cops to sanitation workers and clerk typists..You had your share of knocks but imagine these cretens getting bounisis worth more than you earn in a year? Once the house of cards fell they pinned a target on the pd and fd,,,prior to that no problem..again they hate us and remember that..bless u .call my friend 😀 [quote comment=”197463″]JMHO, but what about less promotions and getting the supervisory police officers back in the street. To leave a town of 60,000 residents with fewer police officers is not comforting. To the poster who said if it were DPW workers, municipal workers etc. losing their jobs would there be such a rally? ABSOLUTELY NOT!!! The “boys in blue” are a brotherhood!! Wonder what else they are going to blame on the NJEA? Boy I can hear the rustle of the recall papers already for both Zimmer and Christie! [/quote]

whineanddineinhob
Member
whineanddineinhob

This crazed mayor not only shoved careless tactics on the public, she slapped her own supporting council members in the face by probably destroying any chance of them having any future in politics in this city (all well and good if you ask me). Lenz in the 4th ward will be the first to go. The other bobbleheads when their clock is up. Cops won’t have to strike or have job actions, THEY WILL ENFORCE THE CURRENT LAWS AS THEY LEGALLY SIT ON THE BOOKS. Think you saved by letting our men in blue go? Think again. You may want to watch that jaywalking in the near future. Cause if you’re not hit by a car, you may be hit by a summons. If you supported this administration, don’t bitch here, cause you will get what you asked for. This isn’t a threat. A threat is when something “might not” happen.

chacha17
Member
chacha17

not sure your point here…are you saying that the HPD will now start enforcing the law?

how dare they!!!!

maybe i misunderstood the post????[quote comment=”197458″]This crazed mayor not only shoved careless tactics on the public, she slapped her own supporting council members in the face by probably destroying any chance of them having any future in politics in this city (all well and good if you ask me). Lenz in the 4th ward will be the first to go. The other bobbleheads when their clock is up. Cops won’t have to strike or have job actions, THEY WILL ENFORCE THE CURRENT LAWS AS THEY LEGALLY SIT ON THE BOOKS. Think you saved by letting our men in blue go? Think again. You may want to watch that jaywalking in the near future. Cause if you’re not hit by a car, you may be hit by a summons. If you supported this administration, don’t bitch here, cause you will get what you asked for. This isn’t a threat. A threat is when something “might not” happen.[/quote]

whineanddineinhob
Member
whineanddineinhob

I didn’t think anyone with the name cha cha WOULD understand. Go back to bed.[quote comment=”197461″]not sure your point here…are you saying that the HPD will now start enforcing the law?how dare they!!!!maybe i misunderstood the post????

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escaped68
Member

This is pure bullshit, the council is just sitting there mentally stonewalling everybody and can’t wait to go home. They all will be patting each other on the back and saying we showed them. Well now has come to bring these pompous asses to their knees.
I speak from experience , this is no BS. I have been in more crap then any of the people who spoke or any of bobbleheads on the council. I led a union of more then 1000 members and was chairman of a large labor council which included some police unions. The Police have to be careful they are bound by a lot of laws,I think its the taylor act, that forbid strikes and “blue flu”. The cops MUST go by the rules it is their only legal remedy. You can aim it at the bobbleheads and their families. Don’t give any shit about going after families,as the old chinese proverb stares “you don’t fuck with a mans rice bowl” and these turds are taking food out of the cops families mouths. The police must take off their gloves and bring all them to their knees.
. Now if the cops have any contacts with the other town unions, the more the merrier.

wiskeytango1
Member
wiskeytango1
68 it is what it is …a shame for the kids only on two years with family. I pray to God this girl knows what she is doing…I never saw a council such as this..educated people yet they babble stutter and of course ms charm hits that gavel …to drown out the crowd and the other councilpeople..A girl I had so much respect for lost her dignity and self respect ,under the thumb of queen hilda..not a joke..the men have no cubes.The forum must under stand this girl made a promise to cut prior to election..Next is the pumps for the fourth ward..guess what october rains and tides she cant control..she may be jewish but she is not moses…bless our police God will provide. 😆 [quote comment=”197455″]This is pure bullshit, the council is just sitting there mentally stonewalling everybody and can’t wait to go home. They all will be patting each other on the back and saying we showed them. Well now has come to bring these pompous asses to their knees. I speak from experience , this is no BS. I have been in more crap then any of the people who spoke or any of bobbleheads on the council. I led a union of more then 1000 members and was chairman of a large labor council which included some police unions. The Police have to be careful they are bound by a lot of laws,I think its the taylor act, that forbid strikes and “blue flu”. The cops… Read more »
professor pinetop
Member
professor pinetop

Councilman Mello doesn’t get it. Attrition takes away older officers from the desks, not the younger ones on the street. Carol will back Zimmer because Lenz told her to.
Lockstep, groupthink – no better than the Cappiello, Russo or Roberts machines.
The garage is Roberts’ fault but it is Dawn’s problem and she and her council majority have failed to resolve it. Bunch of quacks.

professor pinetop
Member
professor pinetop

The new machine has the same brain trust that convinced “reformers” in 2001 that former Cappiello machine player Dave Roberts had changed his life around and was now a “reformer”. Laying off the new members of the force (that we paid to train and who are less likely to be part of previous problems than the ones that will not be laid off) when we have a great new chief with a mandate to fix problems who we will deny the resources that would allow him to fulfill his mission shows a true lack of any common sense. Zimmer has never had any executive experience (and really did not ever really have a job…); her handling of the garage was truly lame, “finding” $20 million shows a huge lack of oversight on her part and this layoff plan is just plain stupid. RECALL, RECALL, RECALL.

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