Outsourcing Hoboken?

6/28/2010:

Solve Hoboken budget problems by outsourcing?

A Hoboken property owner who has witnessed the city’s budgetary problems soar over the past couple years, saw this article about Maywood, California – and how it’s outsourced all city services to the county and a neighboring city. He said: “Let’s let Guttenberg take over!”

Other residents I talked to about that said it would be the worst thing possible for the city. “The local city employees, cops and firemen are a staple of the community. Hoboken would be worthless if run by outsiders” said Julie, who lives downtown.

Do you think this concept would (or could) ever work in Hoboken?

Maywood to hire others to run the city

The L.A. County community, facing a $450,000 budget deficit, plans to lay off its employees, disband its Police Department and contract its operations to the Sheriff’s Department and the neighboring city of Bell. Experts say it is the only city in the state to take such drastic action.

Maywood, a small working-class community south of downtown Los Angeles, plans to lay off all its employees, disband its Police Department and turn over its entire municipal operations to a neighbor — an action that appears to be without precedent among California cities.

Several cities in the state have said that they are close to bankruptcy because of the sharp drop in sales and property tax revenues caused by the deepest recession in decades. But experts who track California cities say Maywood is the only case they know of in which a city has dismissed all top positions except for the city manager, city attorney and elected officials. Under the plan adopted by the City Council on Monday night, council members would continue to be paid to set policy, but all services would be contracted out.

“Most cities would generally maintain a certain workforce,” said Sam Olivito, head of the California Contract Cities Assn. Vallejo, in Northern California, filed for bankruptcy in 2008, but City Hall and the Police Department continued to operate independently.

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(Maywood, California outsource city operations, continued…)

Maywood officials said they had no choice but to adopt the drastic plan.

Maywood’s $10.1-million general fund budget has a deficit of at least $450,000, officials said. Beyond that, the city has been unable to obtain insurance because of a history of lawsuits, many involving its Police Department, which also patrols Cudahy. Operating without insurance would make even routine government services highly risky.

“We’re limited on our choices and limited on what we can do,” Councilman Felipe Aguirre said. “We don’t want to file for bankruptcy. We don’t want to disappear as a city.”

Aguirre said filing for bankruptcy was not an option for Maywood because its problems were related specifically to insurance coverage and not cash flow.

But during a contentious City Council meeting that stretched late into Monday night, opponents of the plan accused council members of managing the city incompetently by failing to maintain the city’s insurance coverage.

“You single-handedly destroyed the city,” Lizeth Sandoval, the city treasurer, told the City Council.

Last month, the California Joint Powers Insurance Authority notified Maywood that it was terminating general liability and workers’ compensation coverage because the city posed too high a risk. A large number of claims filed against the police were a significant factor in that decision. Jonathan Shull, chief executive officer of the insurance authority, said Maywood was the first city to have its insurance cancelled by the group. The insurer acted after Maywood failed to make basic improvements the insurer had mandated, including hiring a permanent city manager, he said.

“Maywood has had a rather challenging loss history in the last few years,” Shull said.

The action is yet another blow for the predominantly Latino city of 45,000 residents densely packed into about 1.2 square miles in the heavily industrial southeast part of Los Angeles County. Officials estimate about half the city’s residents are illegal immigrants.

Under the city’s plan, the Sheriff’s Department will take over patrols. The neighboring city of Bell will take over other municipal services, including staffing Maywood’s City Hall, saving the city an estimated $164,375 a year, officials said. The changes would take effect July 1.

Contracting with Bell is the most cost-effective way to ensure that residents still get basic public services, Aguirre said. “Our streets will be cleaned, our potholes will be filled, this is not affecting any of that,” he said.

Maywood’s acting city manager, Angela Spaccia, declined to comment on the vote. She also declined to make employees available to talk with the media. Before taking the Maywood job, she was the assistant city manager of Bell.

Bell Mayor Oscar Hernandez said the deal would be financially beneficial for Bell — though that was not the city’s only motive.

“Of course, we want to make a little bit of money, but that’s not really the point,” he said. “We want to help our neighbor, we want to provide services to our neighbor, and that’s good enough for us.

“It’s sad to see your neighbor’s house on fire and watch it burn, but we’re not that kind of city,” Hernandez said.

Maywood has had a contentious history for years. In the last decade, shouting matches have erupted during council meetings, election campaigns have been marked by political hit pieces, and even an accusation was made that a city clerk tried to have a councilman killed.

The Police Department has been the focus of troubles as well. Four years ago, the department faced a political outcry when it began running checkpoints that resulted in hundreds of cars being taken away from unlicensed illegal immigrants. Critics charged the checkpoints were an attempt to make money off Maywood’s large illegal immigrant population.

The checkpoint sparked a political movement that brought a new council that was more sympathetic to illegal immigrants. But Maywood was back in the headlines when it declared itself a sanctuary city for illegal immigrants, making the town a target of conservative talk radio and TV news shows.

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13 Comments on "Outsourcing Hoboken?"

wiskeytango1
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wiskeytango1

Anyone notice that our governer has no problem pushing himself away from the dinner table?? sacfrice you betcha… And does Zelda need an elevator for a three story frame?
Is ed too tall jones too tall? You can bet the ranch that taxes will not go down.. If any
one remembers mel brooks history of the world..its good to be the queen..screw u i got
mine go get yours…lay offs no furloughs! There are no give it a break bros! Just I have
mine go get yours…With all the development over the years there should have been a tax decrease. I guess when some are earning 200 + a year with perks etc and it ends
reality sets in..Hey lets blaim someone or some thing..This proves that (CAULIFOWER IS NOTHING BUT CABBAGE WITH A COLLEGE EDUCATION) Again as long as i got mine go get yours?? a lovely community.full of love and cooperation…Love at its ZENITH..

blahblahblah
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blahblahblah

none of you have a clue so lets leave it at that…..just looking at the numbers for the budget means that town isnt anywhere near the scale of hoboken….they have a 450G budget gap…..also, taxes have gone up twice in 10 years in hoboken….try the fact that in other towns they go up every single year…..in hoboken they had small increase followed by the massive increase when council failed to act on a budget and wanted to play politics….that reason and no other is the reason tripodi come in and paid the bills in full…and raised your taxes while doing so…..and the council is back to playing games and will cost us more….

mookie
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mookie

Do yourself a favor and to to City Hall and get a copy of the budget – you obviously have never done budgeting before as that $25M the City was suppose to receive was an input in the City’s budget for numerous years going forward, thus the City will now have to find $25M ~ ie. Mayor Roberts game playing of selling assets and plugging holes is falling apart on you.

So please do NOT tell me that I dont know what I am talking about – I was smart enough to sell my place 2 years and rent as taxes are ONLY going up as City is run by a bunch of idiots! and FYI – the place I sold is down 20%+ since.

[quote comment=”194046″]none of you have a clue so lets leave it at that…..just looking at the numbers for the budget means that town isnt anywhere near the scale of hoboken….they have a 450G budget gap…..also, taxes have gone up twice in 10 years in hoboken….try the fact that in other towns they go up every single year…..in hoboken they had small increase followed by the massive increase when council failed to act on a budget and wanted to play politics….that reason and no other is the reason tripodi come in and paid the bills in full…and raised your taxes while doing so…..and the council is back to playing games and will cost us more….[/quote]

wiskeytango1
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wiskeytango1

mookie do you recall 6 mayors ago?? comeon…started with model cities..in the 60’s. the
Exodus startedi in the late 70’s…After the mysterious rash of fires … Developers worked
hand in hand with the politicans ,good old days but the nebees benifited from that. i read
some person post that they built up this blue collar town.. Its no better no worse than it was 50 yrs ago…forget budget forget tax decrease…thiis is it deal with it..lovely town
open space…goose chit on toll park..love it..A place to reside and commute to nyc to work easy access but this town is no utopia for the dreamers or the entitled ones..One
thing is sure Mayor bloom berg iis happy your here 😀
[quote comment=”194060″]Do yourself a favor and to to City Hall and get a copy of the budget – you obviously have never done budgeting before as that $25M the City was suppose to receive was an input in the City’s budget for numerous years going forward, thus the City will now have to find $25M ~ ie. Mayor Roberts game playing of selling assets and plugging holes is falling apart on you. So please do NOT tell me that I dont know what I am talking about – I was smart enough to sell my place 2 years and rent as taxes are ONLY going up as City is run by a bunch of idiots! and FYI – the place I sold is down 20%+ since.

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mookie
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mookie

That is a pretty defeatish attitude. What if Cory Booker walked into office in Newark with your attitude. [quote comment=”194064″]mookie do you recall 6 mayors ago?? comeon…started with model cities..in the 60’s. the
Exodus startedi in the late 70’s…After the mysterious rash of fires … Developers worked
hand in hand with the politicans ,good old days but the nebees benifited from that. i read
some person post that they built up this blue collar town.. Its no better no worse than it was 50 yrs ago…forget budget forget tax decrease…thiis is it deal with it..lovely town
open space…goose chit on toll park..love it..A place to reside and commute to nyc to work easy access but this town is no utopia for the dreamers or the entitled ones..One
thing is sure Mayor bloom berg iis happy your here

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drdrool
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drdrool

Can we outsource Zimmer?

mookie
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mookie
That’s going to mean another $25M in taxes coming your way. Lube up with your KY and bend-over Hoboken – its coming hard and stiff in 3 months, and this time it is going to cause some bleeding. The best resolution to Hoboken’s increasing problems is to File Ch. 9 and renegotiate EVERY SINGLE contract, but until then, enjoy getting screwed over again, or as The Who wrote years ago: We’ll be fighting in the streets With our children at our feet And the morals that they worship will be gone And the men who spurred us on Sit in judgment of all wrong They decide and the shotgun sings the song I’ll tip my hat to the new constitution Take a bow for the new revolution Smile and grin at the change all around me Pick up my guitar and play Just like yesterday And I’ll get on my knees and pray We don’t get fooled again Don’t get fooled again Change it had to come We knew it all along We were liberated from the fall that’s all But the world looks just the same And history ain’t changed ‘Cause the banners, they all flown in the last war I’ll tip my hat to the new constitution Take a bow for the new revolution Smile and grin at the change all around me Pick up my guitar and play Just like yesterday And I’ll get on my knees and pray We don’t get fooled again Don’t get fooled… Read more »
Easy-E
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Mookie, give it a rest bro, you’ve worn it out. Reader Mail: More of the same “reform” I’m pretty sure it’s more than twice at this point, but I’m too lazy to look any harder. [quote comment=”194038″]That’s going to mean another $25M in taxes coming your way. Lube up with your KY and bend-over Hoboken – its coming hard and stiff in 3 months, and this time it is going to cause some bleeding.The best resolution to Hoboken’s increasing problems is to File Ch. 9 and renegotiate EVERY SINGLE contract, but until then, enjoy getting screwed over again, or as The Who wrote years ago:We’ll be fighting in the streets With our children at our feet And the morals that they worship will be gone And the men who spurred us on Sit in judgment of all wrong They decide and the shotgun sings the songI’ll tip my hat to the new constitution Take a bow for the new revolution Smile and grin at the change all around me Pick up my guitar and play Just like yesterday And I’ll get on my knees and pray We don’t get fooled again Don’t get fooled againChange it had to come We knew it all along We were liberated from the fall that’s all But the world looks just the same And history ain’t changed ‘Cause the banners, they all flown in the last warI’ll tip my hat to the new constitution Take a bow for the new revolution Smile and grin… Read more »
mookie
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mookie

Then don’t whine like a bitch when your taxes go up.

You probably do NOT realize if the deal does not go through, the loss of $25 will mean a rating cut for the bonds YOU backed to purchase the hospital and thus the interestrate on those bonds will go up as will all other City financing sources…this becomes a HUGE domino effect.

But you go bury your head in the sand and keep saying “la la la la I can’t hear you”

Lastly, bet you voted for Zimmer and are now regretting it – ie. YOU got fooled again![quote comment=”194042″]Mookie, give it a rest bro, you’ve worn it out.I’m pretty sure it’s more than twice at this point, but I’m too lazy to look any harder.

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Easy-E
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Huh? I did? I do? I am? LOL, uhhh whut?

Settle down and untwist your panties.

I was talking about the song, you keep posting it as if no one ever heard it before, yeah, everyone gets it, now go find a new song to wear out. You probably think you’re being creative, sorry to blow up your spot homey.

By the way, I voted for Zimmer the 2nd time around. How about you? You one of those dopey Cammarano guys that keep posting apologies for him on here? How could you not know that he was a crook? Most politicians are, but man, THAT guy was a piece of work.[quote comment=”194045″]Then don’t whine like a bitch when your taxes go up.You probably do NOT realize if the deal does not go through, the loss of $25 will mean a rating cut for the bonds YOU backed to purchase the hospital and thus the interestrate on those bonds will go up as will all other City financing sources…this becomes a HUGE domino effect.But you go bury your head in the sand and keep saying “la la la la I can’t hear you”Lastly, bet you voted for Zimmer and are now regretting it – ie. YOU got fooled again!

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john14
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john14

Easy, have you given it a rest? So you’re OK with fact that taxes will likely go up again?

Do you sit, lay down and roll over too?

Never give politicians any slack. Ever. That is what they want.[quote comment=”194042″]Mookie, give it a rest bro, you’ve worn it out.I’m pretty sure it’s more than twice at this point, but I’m too lazy to look any harder.

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gazzosdriver
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gazzosdriver

We should start with rightsizing. The mayor has not acted on the state audit of the police department. I assume she is waiting for the results of the census. Can anyone confirm?

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