11th and Hudson a bad intersection?

12/18/2009:

Wow, priorities change in a jiffy!

If you were one of the few people that gave two craps about the Hoboken City Council meeting earlier this week – you might have noticed an interesting speaker.
Hoboken resident Richard Pasquarelli holds a traffic signal protest at City Hall

Almost exactly one year ago today, Hoboken resident Mr. Richard Pasquarelli was essentially the lead spokesperson for a group of citizens who stormed city hall with signs and megaphones demanding that taxes get cut, and properties get re-valued in order to reduce the “unfair” disparity that currently exists between property taxpayers.

Now that the myriad of elections are over, and a “new” adminstration is in place – with no substantial tax cuts or property revals in sight – Pasquarelli has curiously changed his mission objective!

Revolt against BAD stop lights!

Well, at this week’s Council Meeting, Pasquarelli took the time to stay late into the night to speak about the 5-way intersection at 11th and Hudson Street / Sinatra Drive. Furious about how short the green light was.
11th and Hudson Streets Hoboken NJ Intersection Richard Pasquarelli City Council Tax Revolt Property Revaluation

In fairness, I’ve been stuck at this light a couple times, but not enough to motivate me to go to city hall – maybe he’s just getting his fix of city politics any way possible. I’d imagine a banana peel on the sidewalk will be the next item on the agenda. Also, I’ve spoken to Richard, and it seems that (from my perspective) that he was “all politicked out” and essentially threw in the towel regarding the taxes and revaluation. However, it seemed a bit against the grain that he gave up on that, but had the energy to gripe about a traffic signal.

Whatever. Do you have issues with the 11th Street traffic light?

25 Responses

  1. mooshu says:

    Oh, good God. It’s that guy.

  2. mooshu says:

    Well, to be fair, I get what those street lights are trying to tell us, but I can see how they can be a bit confusing. Do we have a sign there that reads “delayed green/red” or something?

    • jman01 says:

      This Revolt group is a major disappointment. A year ago Pasquarelli was screaming outside City Hall making demands on the administration. Then he went inside and screamed at the council and demanded to know why the Mayor wasn’t there to talk about the tax hike. Revolt doesn’t make any demands on Zimmer, in fact, now that the Zimmer regime is there, Revolt looks the other way as Zimmer supporters, some of which have paid a huge chunk of change, get the jobs and appointments over more qualified applicants. Revolt looks the other way now that Zimmer is mum on the budget and not delivering a single one of her budget promises.

      Why isn’t Revolt calling Zimmer out on her lies, faux transparency, and pay-to-play action? Oh, wait, that’s right, some Revolt members are in on the action, getting appointments and stock-piling their Revolt publicity for future political gain.

      They should change their name to Hudson Street Traffic Signal Brigade.

      In response to mooshu who said:

      Well, to be fair, I get what those street lights are trying to tell us, but I can see how they can be a bit confusing. Do we have a sign there that reads “delayed green/red” or something?

      • mooshu says:

        Hey, I can’t stand these angry, whiny, little-girl “revolt” groups either. I was just stating my opinion about the street lights.

        In response to jman01 who said:

        This Revolt group is a major disappointment. A year ago Pasquarelli was screaming outside City Hall making demands on the administration. Then he went inside and screamed at the council and demanded to know why the Mayor wasn’t there to talk about the tax hike. Revolt doesn’t make any demands on Zimmer, in fact, now that the Zimmer regime is there, Revolt looks the other way as Zimmer supporters, some of which have paid a huge chunk of change, get the jobs and appointments over more qualified applicants. Revolt looks the other way now that Zimmer is mum on the budget and not delivering a single one of her budget promises.

        Why isn’t Revolt calling Zimmer out on her lies, faux transparency, and pay-to-play action? Oh, wait, that’s right, some Revolt members are in on the action, getting appointments and stock-piling their Revolt publicity for future political gain.

        They should change their name to Hudson Street Traffic Signal Brigade.

      • jman01 says:

        I know. I accidentally posted as a Reply to your comment. My mistake.

        In response to mooshu who said:

        Hey, I can’t stand these angry, whiny, little-girl “revolt” groups either. I was just stating my opinion about the street lights.

  3. truth1 says:

    Citizens Against Mismanagement is what we all should be. DeGennaro and Tremitiedi had buttons distributed with the objective to get citizens involved, keep informed and try to get positive action from our governing body and administration. They attend most council meetings and continue to keep informed and speak out on the issues. REVOLT has similar objectives but have taken a different strategy.

    • jman01 says:

      Unless DeGennaro & Tremitiedi start a class action lawsuit against the city’s mismanagement, nothing will happen. The council and the mayor just nod their heads and tell you what you want to hear, but nothing changes, not even with Dawn Roberts in office.

      Unfortunately, the citizens have to take stronger action, more of their own money and personal time. Wearing buttons, and speaking out at council meetings doesn’t have the same effect as a legal force.

      In response to truth1 who said:

      Citizens Against Mismanagement is what we all should be. DeGennaro and Tremitiedi had buttons distributed with the objective to get citizens involved, keep informed and try to get positive action from our governing body and administration. They attend most council meetings and continue to keep informed and speak out on the issues. REVOLT has similar objectives but have taken a different strategy.

      • truth1 says:

        People power is the ballot box! The people have spoken. It is too early to judge the new mayor and her majority on the city council. There is the variable of the state fiscal control monitor. To be fair, we have to give them some time. Get to know the issues, contact them frequently and time will tell where Hoboken is going.

        In response to jman01 who said:

        Unless DeGennaro & Tremitiedi start a class action lawsuit against the city’s mismanagement, nothing will happen. The council and the mayor just nod their heads and tell you what you want to hear, but nothing changes, not even with Dawn Roberts in office.

        Unfortunately, the citizens have to take stronger action, more of their own money and personal time. Wearing buttons, and speaking out at council meetings doesn’t have the same effect as a legal force.

      • jman01 says:

        Not true – Zimmer and gang can be judged as soon as they break promises which they already did.

        Can’t blame it all on Tripodi, Zimmer has been lying to voters about the important issues for almost three years now. She’s racked up a whole list of broken promises from both her council races and her mayoral campaign.

        In response to truth1 who said:

        People power is the ballot box! The people have spoken. It is too early to judge the new mayor and her majority on the city council. There is the variable of the state fiscal control monitor. To be fair, we have to give them some time. Get to know the issues, contact them frequently and time will tell where Hoboken is going.

      • animal_lover says:

        Truth, regarding promises, I refer you to the quote ” he who is slowest in making promises is most faithful in performance”. Jean Jacques Rousseau

        Regarding, their minds are already made up, council does not represent the community at large. And yes we need a better way to get out the vote ad there been single other candidate selected that would have been the deciding vote as non-zimmer votes were the majority.

        In response to jman01 who said:

        Not true – Zimmer and gang can be judged as soon as they break promises which they already did.

        Can’t blame it all on Tripodi, Zimmer has been lying to voters about the important issues for almost three years now. She’s racked up a whole list of broken promises from both her council races and her mayoral campaign.

  4. mooshu says:

    I like the sound of “Citizens Against Mismanagement” better.

  5. xyzpdq says:

    This intersection is awful by design. Sinatra Drive used to be a riverfront railroad. It wasn’t meant to carry vehicular traffic through the 11th and Hudson intersection. Before Maxwell House was demolished there was talk of redirecting Sinatra to align directly into 11th street at the light. It made more sense to have a 4-way intersection. Instead (thanks to the city’s capitulation to a real estate developer’s whims) we have the 5-way Mr. Pasquarelli is complaining about.

    As for Hoboken Revolt, I agree they’re a disappointment. For a while I gave them the benefit of the doubt and dismissed people who called Revolt a front organization for Dawn Zimmer’s campaign. Now that the elections are over it looks like the critics were right. There’s no sign of major tax relief or cuts in government spending, but this group has gone silent. I guess their work was done on Election Day.

    Anti-tax political groups have come and gone in Hoboken before. There was something very similar to Revolt called Hoboken Alliance for Lower Taxes (HALT) that came and went in similar style. A big splash and then *poof!* gone with the wind.

    • upyurs says:

      I have been saying this for sometime. I was a follower of the Revolt group and really though they were about lowering taxes. Instead it appears they are about Ms Zimmer getting elected. When you think back how they were there and organized the Revolt web, you wonder. Eric, this guy, Tony, Toni, the Doctor, Donna and Bo what a shame.

      As for the light at 11th and Hudson, that is a county road, so go to their meeting Richard. However, I do remember Ms Mason, while watching the council on line, stating something about the No Turn On Red sign being too far back from the corner. I just passed there and the sign is now on the traffic light. Thanks Ms Mason

      In response to xyzpdq who said:

      This intersection is awful by design. Sinatra Drive used to be a riverfront railroad. It wasn’t meant to carry vehicular traffic through the 11th and Hudson intersection. Before Maxwell House was demolished there was talk of redirecting Sinatra to align directly into 11th street at the light. It made more sense to have a 4-way intersection. Instead (thanks to the city’s capitulation to a real estate developer’s whims) we have the 5-way Mr. Pasquarelli is complaining about.

      As for Hoboken Revolt, I agree they’re a disappointment. For a while I gave them the benefit of the doubt and dismissed people who called Revolt a front organization for Dawn Zimmer’s campaign. Now that the elections are over it looks like the critics were right. There’s no sign of major tax relief or cuts in government spending, but this group has gone silent. I guess their work was done on Election Day.

      Anti-tax political groups have come and gone in Hoboken before. There was something very similar to Revolt called Hoboken Alliance for Lower Taxes (HALT) that came and went in similar style. A big splash and then *poof!* gone with the wind.

  6. truth1 says:

    A pertinent quote: Promise little and do much; so thou shall have thanks.” – Thomas Fuller, 1731 – On the lighter side: Promises and pie crust are made to be broken.” Jonathan Swift, 1738.

  7. john14 says:

    Fun post, 411! I think you have a new “Fun With Hoboken Hypocrisy” series on your hands!

  8. Rich says:

    I wasn’t even really talking about 11th St at the City Council meeting for more than a second, I just mentioned that the light there takes forever to change and when it does, it only lasts long enough to let three or four cars through. What I said was “Maybe somebody could look at the timing of that light”.

    BUT, what I WAS talking about at the meeting, if you watch the tape on channel 78, was about putting traffic cameras at the STOP signs that nobody stops at, thus bringing in revenue to help LOWER OUR TAXES, back to the ISSUES. Watch the video, you’ll see what I said.

    As far as Zimmer, I’ve been going to meetings and watching the votes by the city council, and as far as I can see, they seem to have OUR interests at heart, not those of the developers or the unethical people in this town who think they DESERVE deals because of who they know. I’m also waiting for the budget hearing to make myself heard about that. For example, as far as the discretionary spending that Trisanti presented, we need to look at that! I don’t know a single person who has had a raise in the last to years and to give our city employees a retroactive raise right now is a disgusting move on the part of the fiscal monitor. I have no qualms about speaking out about that before it happens. There’s just the right time to do it.

    And it’s the same for the rest of our Revolt steering committee, who meet every month, ON OUR OWN TIME, and we all have jobs and families too, yet, we have been working feverishly on the hospital issues, pilot payment issues and ESPECIALLY the Union Contracts to make sure that the TAX payers are aware of the kind of deals that are being made. And trust me, if the rest of the people in this town knew what we have heard through the grape vine about the union contracts, there would be another rally tomorrow. And by the way, the contracts are being negotiated by the state monitor, not Zimmer! And THAT is the only place where we are going to make a dramatic change in our tax situation. A reval should be done too, but it should happen AFTER we lower our taxes. If the taxes don’t go down, we still need to do a Reval, we are legally supposed to do one every fifteen years.

    So don’t tell me that I’m not involved.

    • upyurs says:

      Trisanti, doesn’t have a clue. Last year budget was 121. Let’s get rid of the 8 mil for unclooceted taxes and the 15 mil over spent and you have a budget that is 98 mil. So what has been cut? If you are meeting every month what do you know about the contracts. Has someoneout things Ms Zimmer would like to change on the council or Ms Zimmer speaking to the group. And who meets let’s hear the names. You can talk about the state monitor, but that is a part of the contract. What about hearing what Ms Zimmer would want to cut or her plans for the municipal garage, she said when acting Mayor she personnally was working on that. We are 7 months into this years budget with emergency app. what do you think could be saved. Let’s hear about a reval why isn’t Revolt talking about that? I really though you guys were going to make a difference yet we are no where. Also, during the debates Mr Bowen asked if every candiadte would have a town hall meeting each quarter if elected. They all raised there hand. Why isn’t revolt talking about Ms Zimmer first town hall meeting, she has been in offfice over a quarter?

      In response to Rich who said:

      I wasn’t even really talking about 11th St at the City Council meeting for more than a second, I just mentioned that the light there takes forever to change and when it does, it only lasts long enough to let three or four cars through. What I said was “Maybe somebody could look at the timing of that light”.

      BUT, what I WAS talking about at the meeting, if you watch the tape on channel 78, was about putting traffic cameras at the STOP signs that nobody stops at, thus bringing in revenue to help LOWER OUR TAXES, back to the ISSUES. Watch the video, you’ll see what I said.

      As far as Zimmer, I’ve been going to meetings and watching the votes by the city council, and as far as I can see, they seem to have OUR interests at heart, not those of the developers or the unethical people in this town who think they DESERVE deals because of who they know. I’m also waiting for the budget hearing to make myself heard about that. For example, as far as the discretionary spending that Trisanti presented, we need to look at that! I don’t know a single person who has had a raise in the last to years and to give our city employees a retroactive raise right now is a disgusting move on the part of the fiscal monitor. I have no qualms about speaking out about that before it happens. There’s just the right time to do it.

      And it’s the same for the rest of our Revolt steering committee, who meet every month, ON OUR OWN TIME, and we all have jobs and families too, yet, we have been working feverishly on the hospital issues, pilot payment issues and ESPECIALLY the Union Contracts to make sure that the TAX payers are aware of the kind of deals that are being made. And trust me, if the rest of the people in this town knew what we have heard through the grape vine about the union contracts, there would be another rally tomorrow. And by the way, the contracts are being negotiated by the state monitor, not Zimmer! And THAT is the only place where we are going to make a dramatic change in our tax situation. A reval should be done too, but it should happen AFTER we lower our taxes. If the taxes don’t go down, we still need to do a Reval, we are legally supposed to do one every fifteen years.

      So don’t tell me that I’m not involved.

      • Watchmaker says:

        Is there anyone in their right mind who didn’t get this point: there are no cuts in the current budget. None! In other words, this is the very same budget as the one David Roberts proposed a year ago.

        Worse: Dawn is hiring more people and these additional hires have not been reflected in the budget, as Trisanti indicated when he introduced it.

        To his credit, Ravi Bhalla expressed his concern over the lack of cuts at the Council meeting when the budget was introduced. So not everyone is buying the Zimmer/Lenz crap.

        One more thing: Hoboken Revolt people want to feel bigger than they really are, so they are claiming to be working hard on the budget. The truth is: they are a citizens’ group and as such have no influence on the budget whatsoever. They did a very good job at complaining about Roberts’ irresponsibility, yet when it comes to the Zimmer administration’s fiscal and ethical indiscretions, they stay silent.

        You mentioned re-val: I did a computation of the possible outcomes in Hoboken, using the numbers at this site http://mysite.verizon.net/vzeqrguz/housingbubble/new_york.html (I had to make some adjustments though). It turns out that only those who bought their property after 2003 may see some reduction in their property taxes. People who bought 1998-2003 will likely stay about the same (the break-even point is summer of 2001). And those who bought earlier will get an increase.

        Based on this, seven out of nine members of the City Council and Mayor Zimmer have little or no incentive to go though with the re-val.

        In response to upyurs who said:

        Trisanti, doesn’t have a clue. Last year budget was 121. Let’s get rid of the 8 mil for unclooceted taxes and the 15 mil over spent and you have a budget that is 98 mil. So what has been cut? If you are meeting every month what do you know about the contracts. Has someoneout things Ms Zimmer would like to change on the council or Ms Zimmer speaking to the group. And who meets let’s hear the names. You can talk about the state monitor, but that is a part of the contract. What about hearing what Ms Zimmer would want to cut or her plans for the municipal garage, she said when acting Mayor she personnally was working on that. We are 7 months into this years budget with emergency app. what do you think could be saved. Let’s hear about a reval why isn’t Revolt talking about that? I really though you guys were going to make a difference yet we are no where. Also, during the debates Mr Bowen asked if every candiadte would have a town hall meeting each quarter if elected. They all raised there hand. Why isn’t revolt talking about Ms Zimmer first town hall meeting, she has been in offfice over a quarter?

  9. truth1 says:

    Judy Tripodi, state fiscal control monitor is the chief honcho for the contracts. As for the contract talks, the council was briefed on same by the labor attorney hired by the city. I am sure that Mayor Dawn was briefed as well. I have not heard any rumors….so time will tell.

  10. truth1 says:

    re: 18.upyurs – Trasente just does Judy’s bidding. This is Judy’s budget and Judy is still in charge. We cannot recoup much from this budget since it will be approx. 70 spent. As newly appointed councilman Lenz said, this is a starting point or baseline. I believe that Trasente only had approx. 2 years at the Dept. of Community Affairs and is not the most experienced in his field. When this budget is approved along with a plan submitted to the Local Finance Board…then our elected representatives can have the authority to do what’s best for Hoboken. Of course, is is our job to hold them responsible in a more proficient manner than was done in the past.

  11. Watchmaker says:

    Oups my bad: the last line of my previous post should read

    Based on this, seven out of nine members of the City Council and Mayor Zimmer have little or no incentive to go through with the re-val.

    Oh and BTW, I actually agree with Mr. Pasquarelli that the traffic light at 11th and Hudson sucks. :-)

  12. krewedetat says:

    Re post #16: Rich, no one is saying you are not involved. You are the subject of this post precisely because you are in a leadership position of a group that a year ago put itself in the forefront of an issue that rose to top priority when local taxes went up by 47% — that’s why you had a couple of hundred people with you in front of city hall protesting in the cold.

    We may agree with you that the 11th and Hudson intersection needs to be improved (I certainly do) but 411 and posters on this thread are simply wondering whether your priorities have shifted from being a tax watchdog to a traffic one. This is in light of the fact that the budget was introduced a month ago and it is a public document available to your group and everyone, so we wonder why Revolt has not taken this opportunity to go to work on something where they can have an immediate, positive effect. Issuing a few more traffic violations will have a bigger impact making our town safer than in improving the fiscal bottom line. Traffic safety is a great goal, but it is not Revolt’s mission. We need tax relief now, and with the fiscal year half gone, time is running out for seeing any reductions this year. According to the latest numbers the city has already spent over 60 million in less than 6 months, and upyours in post #18 makes a good case on how the 98-million dollar budget has no operational cuts. Finding a way to spend less than 38 million in the next 6 months (if we really are going to stick with the proposed 98 million budget for the year) is a real challenge, and one that we thought was the focus of Revolt. I look forward to your comments at the budget hearings next month.

  13. YipYap says:

    This group reminds me of the anti war protesters who were rallying continually for years in NY and DC,some of whom compared GWB to Hitler. After Obama got elected they simply stopped protesting, after all he was their candidate so how could they protest against him?

    Similar rhyme here with the Hoboken Revolt Group, they cannot protest against their candidate that would make them look like fools and I don’t think their egos can tolerate that.

    • Watchmaker says:

      You got it Yippy! 100%!

      In response to YipYap who said:

      This group reminds me of the anti war protesters who were rallying continually for years in NY and DC,some of whom compared GWB to Hitler. After Obama got elected they simply stopped protesting, after all he was their candidate so how could they protest against him?

      Similar rhyme here with the Hoboken Revolt Group, they cannot protest against their candidate that would make them look like fools and I don’t think their egos can tolerate that.

  14. homeworld says:

    There were multiple proposals for the Maxwell Coffee factory only a few years ago that involved reconstruction of that intersection. The city decided upon the one that actually made it worse, by adding two more directions of traffic to flow into and out of the intersection.

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