Hoboken’s Collapsing Waterfront…
Sinatra Park should just go away
Today, where finances are tight and the future of the economy is uncertain – there comes a time when you just have to pull the plug on bleeding projects like this fruity Sinatra Park debacle currently taking place at City Hall.
For one thing – something doesn’t sound right about recent events regarding the field. Apparently, there was another “collapse” a couple months ago, and only now did the city come out with a long-winded explanation (along with back-handed attempts to “blame” the previous administration.) However, the engineering company working on this project – also helped build the damn thing!
What we may have here is a sophisticated way for a city contractor to weasel millions of property taxpayer dollars for themselves. In other words, we may be getting duped.
Walk away! Wait till times are better
As it stands now, if the city proceeds to try and rehabilitate this soccer field – the project may not be complete for another three to five years, and costs tens of millions of dollars MORE. Money the city doesn’t have, and with much higher priority needs around town (roads, public safety, and other infrastructure).
This entire section should just get torn down to its natural shoreline – and at most – ensure that a safe walkway is maintained.
As you will witness if this project is permitted to continue with the aggressive scope creep, and other so-called “sudden” discoveries and startling revelations – it will put a GIANT fiscal dent on Hoboken’s balance sheet, and potentially hurt all property tax payers.
Cut your losses and move on. We’ll survive without this space, as we have already over the past few years.
Hoboken waterfront repairs delayed for political purposes?
5/26/2012 Update:
While some parts of the sprawling Hoboken waterfront pathways have improved recently thanks to more capable entities like Hudson County and Toll Brothers (i.e., the new walkway to Weehawken and the Hudson Tea repairs) – other parts remain in disarray, or have long, drawn out debacles surrounding them, with finger-pointing and excuses. Is this done by design?
Right out of the “Politics 101″ handbook, some Hoboken residents feel that major repairs or additions are “timed” on purpose to coincide with political elections. They thought that former Mayor Dave Roberts played that game – and now Dawn Zimmer is said to be doing the same thing.
The repairs to the walkway sections along Sinatra Drive will not be ready for residents to enjoy this summer, but wow – just in time to make happy bullet point propaganda for next year’s election cycle. Such a shame that residents are purposely made to suffer just for the potential political gain of others.
Uptown path by Hudson Tea completed
5/21/2012 Update:
In case you didn’t make it uptown recently – the sinking portion of the walkway near the Hudson Tea Building was completed and re-opened last week. Joy to the world!
Uptown walkway closed, repairs progressing…
2/25/2012 Update:
Here’s a six-month checkup on the collapsed walkway near the Hudson Tea Building. We can probably blame this one on Hurricane Irene (or shoddy contractors). Your pick.
Maybe we’ll have a fully-functional walkway this summer? For perhaps one week before the next chunk falls into the Hudson?
Wind damages tree & pier along uptown Hoboken waterfront
9/5/2011 Update:
In the Hoboken Hurricane Irene Poll, over 75% of respondents thought the storm would collapse another part of the waterfront. Luckily for us, that didn’t happen!
But part of the uptown waterfront near the Hudson Tea Building was damaged enough to require the area to be fenced off. Wind pushed one of these trees violently enough to cause the tree to tip, and a portion of the walkway surrounding it to start caving in.
Waterfront a costly premium in Hoboken
1/18/2011 Update:
Boswell Engineering issued a report – saying that it’s going to cost at least another $20 Million to repair Hoboken’s waterfront walkways – and possibly more to come.
Have you seen your tax bill lately? You might want to frame it for good memories.
Uptown waterfront walkway taken care of
3/17/2010 Update:
In case you were wondering what the status of the crumbling waterfront walkway near the Hudson Tea Building was – well, it was quickly patched up and back to normal.
Another Brick in the… River
2/23/2010 Update:
Back in September, when the Sinatra Field walkway started getting swallowed up – we discussed what will be the NEXT part to collapse?
Well, as you can see from the poll below – I had the foresight to include the walkway around the Hudson Tea Building. Now while this sinking area near 15th and Garden is not as catastrophic as other collapses – it’s just a few bricks around what appears to be a stable piling – you can guess that the City Council will propose millions of dollars worth of bonding to repair it!
OK – if you haven’t voted yet – What’s Next?
9/24/2009:
Hoboken411 readers picked City Hall as the next item to collapse in Hoboken – tsk, tsk – and picked the HTB sixth! Come on, folks! Take a walk around a bit more!
I still think the area north of the Gazebo looks like it’s slanting pretty bad – and may be next!
With this week’s pier collapse at Sinatra Park – thought it’d be a good time to remind folks of some other collapses since Hoboken411 began…

Hopefully fixed soon – but what’s next?
The city said yesterday that they’ll be checking into the other piers that have collapsed – but while we wait for this whole process to play out, take a guess as to what the next area to sink into the Hudson River will be!
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39 Responses to ** Hoboken’s Collapsing Waterfront… **
March 18th, 2010 |
Please stop trolling every single topic on here.
In response to upyurs who said:
WE WERE LIED TO. WHERE IS OUR 25% TAX DECREASE?
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January 18th, 2011 |
So Boswell Engineering says it’ll cost $20 million to fix the Hoboken waterfront walkway, including almost $4 million to repair Pier A. That doesn’t even include the North Sinatra collapse the County is paying for.
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January 18th, 2011 |
Next step is to audit Boswell Engineering and get a second, even third opinion. Something fishy going on there. How do we know their analysis is correct? It’s evident that Hoboken cannot manage a waterfront, so let’s just shut the whole thing down, like it was 20 years ago. Then they can focus on more important items like the roads and sewer system. Parks and recreation is one big money pit!
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January 18th, 2011 |
Looks to me that it will cost an additional $7M beyond what has already been bonded. Not a brand new $20M.
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January 18th, 2011 |
worth noting WHICH sections of Hoboken’s waterfront are actually owned by the City. My understanding is that the Shipyard Apts/ Condo waterfront is still owned by applied. As is everything north of the Skate Park at Castle Point. Cept maybe the 1600 Park and Cove lots. Is the whole promenade from Pier A to Sinatra Park really owned by Hoboken or is it the Port Authority? $20 M for the Castle Point, Sinatra Park, Pier A? Seems a little high, but yeah, I can believe it. Hopefully that gives us a WHOLE NEW sports field at Sinatra Park too….
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January 18th, 2011 |
The property where Castle Point Park is located is owned by Stevens Institute of Technology but was leased to the City of Hoboken for for $1 for 99 years circa the year 2000. Construction was handled by the City for that section. Whereas the currently under construction portion of the walkway along Stevens’ river parking lot is being handled by Stevens.
Now as for who is responsible for that section of the collapse, I guess you’d have to read through the lease agreement. Anyone want to do an OPRA request?
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January 19th, 2011 |
The Hudson is a lot more powerful than most people believe. My solution for the
Toredo Mollusks and the River takeover was to use River rocks and put them in front of the problem. We have plenty of Serpentine along our shoreline and Stevens piled a whole lot of Cement rocks in front of their new walkway, and it looks great! Took before and after pictures of what was there before and presented them at Council. Was ignored as usual. I guess we won’t get our NEW Parks now, and Hoboken is again in the red, unless
an inexpensive solution ( the rock wall made of Serpentine and whatever washed up on our shoreline) can be utilized. Stevens did a great job, go look, I watched them all dig
and replace and build for several weeks and they finished fast….What a shame, Hoboken almost bailed out and was gaining, now we are back in the hole(s)….Common solutions are best, moving Sinatra Drive INLAND …where would it go??
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January 19th, 2011 |
Back in SEPTEMBER I brought this up at Council and was ignored. Provided a ROCK
solution using materials that are already here on our shorelines to boost up and make a wall in front of all of the piers.Toredos don’t eat rocks, and walls of rocks keep the river from moving inland….Now the engineers say that is a good idea…Shame on the city..Many of us, including 411 went to each site and predicted where the next cave in would be and were ignored. Shame…and Kudos for Stevens for using common relatively
inexpensive sense…..I asked that the COUNCIL go and look, it took a year and a half to do exactly that. Kudos for 411 being on top of the problem ALSO…Good work Perry, with pictures and everything else…..
Margaret
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February 25th, 2012 |
collapsing piers,fires,crime increase,pkg problems,disregard..through chit or mud sleet and snow PRUNELLA TAKES A VACATION..Have no fear Mr Leo is there.at the puzzle palace to oversee nonsense untill Prunella returns.Hey everyone is allowed a vacation yeah right!!!!!!!!!!..
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February 25th, 2012 |
spl…former girlfriend of mine went to one of them low mower salons..Just because it’s Brazilian wax dosen’t mean it’s the solution..friend wound up with an infection and had to go to a physician.. Upper lip is one thing ..Anywhere else. Wise to be cautious with the cheap priomos..
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February 26th, 2012 |
How is it that Hoboken’s waterfront is in a constant state of disrepair? I don’t see this happening in any other community.
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February 26th, 2012 |
With all traffic going up Bloomfield St instead of Washington, expect the next collapse will be there. Bloomfield between Observer HWY & Newark St had two previous collapses & a few years ago one was the size of a car. Who’s bright idea was it to have traffic be routed thru residential streets with previous collapse problems? If the city needs hard proof of impending collapses just cross Washinton St in front of City Hall, crosswalks are so bad that many have fallen & Nothing is done. Hmm maybe that’s why lawyers fee’s are growing for the city. Clear & simply Hoboken was a swamp, not above sea level & when I was a child could not see the river unless at the pier, now can see it from garden st & 4th, are we sinking???
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February 26th, 2012 |
When the port authority operated piers a,b &c they had sacrificial anodes placed all over the pier pilings. These anodes were zinc bars and a weak electrical was trickled through them. These anodes were placed there so the corrosion reacted on them instead of the pilings. These anodes were checked weekly and replaced when necessary. I’ve heard of some sort of anodes being placed around ships that are docked long term so they must work maybe if the city has some sort of engineering consulting firm on retainer, they might want to look at the use of anodes it might help.
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May 21st, 2012 |
This is great news, and I commend them on their persistence in almost continuously repairing a walkway that would much rather be in the river.
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June 27th, 2012 |
Not sure Zimmer, or most politicians for that matter understand the concept of financial responsibility. Bonding, borrowing and spending money you don’t have for things that aren’t of utmost necessity is why so much of this country and world are in trouble today.
Maybe the feds should sniff around at Boswell one of these days…
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June 27th, 2012 |
Cities in America are filing for bankruptcy, and our mayor is talking about eight figure projects and bonding? She is nuts.
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June 27th, 2012 |
Agreed, unfortunately… it seems like a bad investment, throwing good money after bad, under sketchy conditions… Hoboken to an underwater engineering firm probably looks like one of those customers who have more money than brains. Need another long-term solution maybe along the lines of what Margaret had proposed..
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June 27th, 2012 |
Why is the walkway “fruity?”
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June 27th, 2012 |
The walkway isn’t fruity – the whole badly managed situation is. It’s a total debacle that screams “amateurs” and has an overdose of carefully crafted press-releases. A fiscally intelligent city would cut their losses instead of being hell-bent on fixing this amenity when we have much more important things to worry about. Would you buy a flat-screen TV or new car if the foundation of your home was crumbling, or if you were massively in debt?
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