Cammarano ‘Shops – 8/1/2009

8/1/2009:

Now that Peter Cammarano has essentially removed himself from the local Hoboken government – I think it’s safe to say we no longer need to completely bust his balls. He’s a private (unemployed, out on bail) citizen now, suffered through the humiliation (both his own doing, as well as from the frustrated public), and will see his day in a court of law eventually.

With that being said – here’s the (maybe) final installment of Peter Cammarano Photoshops, submitted by you – the Hoboken411 readers:

Special “Saturday Slammer” edition

Three entries today – all “prison” or “punishment” related – starting with a retro comic book cover from Lobster Girl:
prison-bar-petey

SEE THE OTHER TWO AFTER THE JUMP!!

(Cammarano Photoshops, continued…)

Uncle Sam wants you to go to…

Prison!

Lobster Girl again, with a daily double!
prison-petey

Grim & Gruesome

Nancy submitted quite possibly the harshest image of them all – and I would expect that despite the extreme disappointment in Mr. Cammarano – that doesn’t mean anyone would wish this kind of punishment. At that point, you might want to seek the assistance of a medical professional with your anger issues… Just sayin!
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32 Comments on "Cammarano ‘Shops – 8/1/2009"

mooshu
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mooshu

411 wrote: “At that point, you might want to seek the assistance of a medical professional with your anger issues… Just sayin!”

Amen.

Springtime
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Springtime

Dumb as a box of rocks. And too dumb to even get it.

In response to mooshu who said:
411 wrote: “At that point, you might want to seek the assistance of a medical professional with your anger issues… Just sayin!”

Amen.

InfotainMe
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InfotainMe

It might be time to switch out the “springtime” handle and go with something that conveys your seething anger. Anyone who can work up a “gross violation” of posting rules talking about a taco truck needs to get back on the meds.

In response to Springtime who said:
Dumb as a box of rocks. And too dumb to even get it.

pawzclawz
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pawzclawz

The race for our next mayor is not looking good. I heard Frank Raia will not be running. I wouldn’t vote for him anyway. So far we have Beth Mason. She lost my support when she got cozy with the Russos etc. I heard Michael Russo will run. No vote for him. We have Dawn Zimmer. The rich freelance photographer housewife with good intentions. I hope. Dawn please get it together between now and election time. Unless other candidates join the race. You are our best and only hope.

Colin
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anyone know when the deadline to file for running is? I want to say 2 months but the more I think about it, I might be completely making that up

In response to pawzclawz who said:
The race for our next mayor is not looking good. I heard Frank Raia will not be running. I wouldn’t vote for him anyway. So far we have Beth Mason. She lost my support when she got cozy with the Russos etc. I heard Michael Russo will run. No vote for him. We have Dawn Zimmer. The rich freelance photographer housewife with good intentions. I hope. Dawn please get it together between now and election time. Unless other candidates join the race. You are our best and only hope.

Easy-E
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You know, I just love it when these guys come out of the woodwork and start posting on here! As if they weren’t shills with an agenda.

Peter took bribes, he’s out, suck it.

jman01
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jman01

He sure did, and Dawn was caught committing voter fraud long before that. Every media outlet covered the story in August and September 2007.

In response to Easy-E who said:
You know, I just love it when these guys come out of the woodwork and start posting on here! As if they weren’t shills with an agenda.

Peter took bribes, he’s out, suck it.

InfotainMe
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InfotainMe

A question about those scratch-off tickets since it seems like that dead horse is about to get another going-over.

Is that illegal as reported? Putting them under the door with campaign lit?

It would have to be illegal at face-value, ie, the mere fact of doing it, since it’s impossible to prove that it resulted in a vote. Conflating it with bribes is silly. The quid pro quo of a bribe is fairly clear. The person making the bribe wants you to unfairly exert the influence of your office in their favor; it can be seen if you did act unfairly on their behalf -or in the case the govt will try to make against Cammarano- that you committed to act unfairly in their behalf.

A scratch-off ticket is, well, a $1 investment in a hoped-for outcome that you have no control over. Rather like a scratch-off ticket you buy for yourself.

Is it against the law? Since it was testified to in a deposition -if it were illegal- why was no further action taken?

Yes.We.Can.
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Yes.We.Can.

Big f*cking deal.

So, a few years back, politician ‘A’ gave out $1 lottery tickets to potential voters, THIS year politician ‘B’ threw multiple enormous block parties for potential voters with free hot dogs, free pizza, free drinks, free popcorn, free ices, free cotton candy, free rides, clowns, free musical entertainment, ALL to potential VOTERS… in fact, politician ‘B’ spent himself into such a hole with all these VOTER FREEBIES that he got caught re-handed by the FBI taking thousands of dollars on several occasions in exchange for zoning favors, all to fill up the budget holes caused by the FREEBIES your friends enjoyed.

So, were YOU one of the hundreds of potential voters suckling off the teat of candidate ‘B’? Did you enjoy your free hotdog? Or was it a free slice of pizza? Did your kid slurp down a free cherry ice? Or go on a free ride? Did you get a free t-shirt? Dance to the free music?

You and your ilk are HYPOCRITES, and the only ‘goods’ you think you have on Zimmer is this STALE CRUMB, while you feed on a smorgasbord of favors and freebies you get from the people you SHILL for. You and the rest of the sour-grapes crowd are not fooling anyone. Go sit in a corner together and cry: Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

In the meantime, my heartfelt congratulations go to Hoboken’s first female (acting) mayor, Dawn Zimmer!

jman01
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jman01
YWC- Zimmer also threw a huge block party in the housing authority which was promoted heavily – she gave away all the same free food and music as other the politician. So Zimmer’s illegal lottery tickets are not a crime because you say so? She admitted in a legal deposition to distributing lottery tickets as a vote solicitation. The state prosecutor said on the record that it was a “clear cut” violation of the law but wouldn’t say why no one would be indicted. Voter fraud is voter fraud and Zimmer is guilty of that. Your “Big f*cking deal” remark is very hypocritical. Thousands of dollars in lotto tickets to buy votes is no big deal but $25,000 bribe is? On another site Stan Grossbard Zimmer was quoted as saying he would have taken the bribe but not followed through on promises. Is that a big ‘effing deal to you especially since Grossbard will be running the Mayor’s office now? Cammarano took the money but never followed through on the promise to the developer……sounds like the Mr. Zimmer is okay with that. Zimmer also has a whole line of cronies ready for their patronage jobs. They continue to call themselves reformers because yuppies fall for the title. Zimmer’s faux reformer cronies haven’t reformed anything in the last decade except for their own wallets and benefits. Just look at the corrupt baggage Zimmer is bringing into City Hall. Zimmer even took money from the sleazy HCDO bosses, Healy and DeGise. Healy… Read more »
InfotainMe
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InfotainMe
Your statement is untrue. Stan did not say “he would have taken the bribe but not followed through on promises.” First, no one knew it was a bribe at the time. The article was about the after-the-fact recollections of Zimmer & Mason that they may have been approached by Dwek. Second the article makes is clear that Zimmer was against any developer money and refused a meeting with the guy. In the JJ article, Stan said, “Look, I considered taking (the campaign donation), but not promising them any favors.” That is a far cry from your slanderous distortion of knowingly accepting a bribe and not following through on the quid pro quo promises attached to accepting the bribe. Look, if you don’t like these people, just say so. But don’t invent information that doesn’t exist. It proves you have an agenda, not based on actual facts you can present, but on your pre-conceived contempt for the people involved. It renders you a non-factor in an honest discussion. In response to jman01 who said: YWC- Zimmer also threw a huge block party in the housing authority which was promoted heavily – she gave away all the same free food and music as other the politician. So Zimmer’s illegal lottery tickets are not a crime because you say so? She admitted in a legal deposition to distributing lottery tickets as a vote solicitation. The state prosecutor said on the record that it was a “clear cut” violation of the law but wouldn’t… Read more »
jman01
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jman01
Spin it how you want Infotain but it’s not a “far cry” as you say. Mr. Zimmer said: “Look, I considered taking (the campaign donation), but not promising them any favors.” Sure, since it’s after the scandal Mr. Zimmer throws in the word “considered” to make it sound like he would never follow through. What’s really frightening is that he even mentions “considering” it in the first place – and so nonchalantly too. He’s so easily tempted to commit a crime and that doesn’t concern you that he’s running our city right now? And if you don’t think Stan Zimmer is the new mayor, why don’t you read the rest of the article where he admits to having the conversation with the developer and explaining how the Zimmer administration will work. Is Dawn not capable of speaking for herself? Sounds like Stan is running things and he’s kind of creepy. In response to InfotainMe who said: Your statement is untrue. Stan did not say “he would have taken the bribe but not followed through on promises.” First, no one knew it was a bribe at the time. The article was about the after-the-fact recollections of Zimmer & Mason that they may have been approached by Dwek. Second the article makes is clear that Zimmer was against any developer money and refused a meeting with the guy. In the JJ article, Stan said, “Look, I considered taking (the campaign donation), but not promising them any favors.” That is a far cry… Read more »
InfotainMe
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InfotainMe
It’s not spin. YOU distorted the text. YOU DID THE SPINNING. You said ‘he was quoted’ saying he would make promises and not follow through. That is at best a distortion. But since you know where the article is, it’s probably more like a bald-faced lie where you simply hope no one else has read the article. More distortion from you on Stan taking a call with someone and saying that proves he will be the mayor. Have you never been near a campaign? Do you think the candidate takes every call from every goofball? You’re a dishonest broker, pure and simple. In response to jman01 who said: Spin it how you want Infotain but it’s not a “far cry” as you say. Mr. Zimmer said: “Look, I considered taking (the campaign donation), but not promising them any favors.” Sure, since it’s after the scandal Mr. Zimmer throws in the word “considered” to make it sound like he would never follow through. What’s really frightening is that he even mentions “considering” it in the first place – and so nonchalantly too. He’s so easily tempted to commit a crime and that doesn’t concern you that he’s running our city right now? And if you don’t think Stan Zimmer is the new mayor, why don’t you read the rest of the article where he admits to having the conversation with the developer and explaining how the Zimmer administration will work. Is Dawn not capable of speaking for herself? Sounds like Stan… Read more »
Yes.We.Can.
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Yes.We.Can.
InfotainMe, Debating with someone who pulls facts from their arse is a wasted effort. jman01, lots of luck on your fiction of trying to paint nefarious campaign funding sources for candidate Zimmer. READ 411 link below on where our former Mayor’s campaign $$ came from. BTW, while you are trying to smear Zimmer w/HCDO associations, WHO the hell do you THINK was funding all of the slimy, Swift-Boat style MAILERS from that shadowy, Washington D.C.- based 527 called “Citizen’s For the Future”? Remember them? The ones who financed the shit-storm of sleaze that filled our mail-boxes every day? Zimmer & Roberts on the Titanic? Zimmer morphing into Roberts? Unflattering pics of Dawn looking ready to bite, like Count Dracula? Those full-color mailers cost some SERIOUS money, and showed how much money from OUTSIDE HOBOKEN was POURING IN for our former mayor, how BADLY these wealthy powerful interests wanted to defeat Zimmer. OUTSIDE money, WASHINGTON MONEY. Talk about the Democratic machine getting behind a candidate! Our former mayor was anointed by all the big players in the NJ local and NATIONAL political machine– if only I had saved the mailer with that very LONG LIST of all of the former mayor’s endorsers- a ‘Who’s Who’ of the Hudson County political machine. Those same political bosses turned their backs on Dawn. Like Corzine, who blew off his invitation to a Zimmer fundraiser at a supporter’s apartment at the W– yup, he was a no-show; but our governor remembered to attend a cocktail-party… Read more »
jman01
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jman01
YWC- If you looked at Dawn’s elec reports past the June race, you’d see the contributions. It was even written up on 411: “TRYING TO HIDE HCDO INVOLVEMENT On March 25, 2007, Hoboken411 poster “Naf” posted in the Fourth Ward Race thread here on 411 that he was hearing Zimmer was taking assistance from the HCDO. A few hours later Dawn herself logged on after midnight to protest: 6. DawnZimmer | March 26th, 2007 at 12:06 am Naf, I’m not sure where you are getting your information from, but whatever your source is, you might want to let them know the truth so you are not in the position of spreading falsehoods. I am completely independent. I am not affilated with any side in the distasteful war being waged in Hudson County over patronage rights. My campaign is funded entirely by contributions from individuals interested in a better Hoboken. As the conversation continued, Dawn came back with an even stronger statement: 33. DawnZimmer | March 26th, 2007 at 10:23 am Apparently, my previous post was not sufficiently clear so let me clarify my position. My campaign has not received, and will not accept, any contributions on a personal or organizational level from the Mayor, the Hudson County Democratic Organization, Brian Stack, or any of the other players involved in the battle for control over the Hudson County patronage machine. We have had no discussions whatsoever with any of those people or organizations in which support has either been solicited or… Read more »
matt_72
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One thing I would like to point out, I don’t think Petey was annoited by the NATIONAL Democratic party. I am a Republican and even I believe he was only annoited by the local state based crooks. Menendez is just a local crook who happens to be in the US Senate. But first & foremost, he is a local crook. I don’t like most Democrats in office at the national level but even I think they are relatively honest compared to NJ machine kleptocrats. That being said, I also think they are complete frigging idiots, but that is an entirely different matter…..lol. I’ll take an honest idiot over a crook any day of the week. I’ll also bet you money it wasn’t DC money. I bet that PAC was just laundering NJ money. The machine is good at laundering money. In response to Yes.We.Can. who said: InfotainMe, Debating with someone who pulls facts from their arse is a wasted effort. jman01, lots of luck on your fiction of trying to paint nefarious campaign funding sources for candidate Zimmer. READ 411 link below on where our former Mayor’s campaign $$ came from. BTW, while you are trying to smear Zimmer w/HCDO associations, WHO the hell do you THINK was funding all of the slimy, Swift-Boat style MAILERS from that shadowy, Washington D.C.- based 527 called “Citizen’s For the Future”? Remember them? The ones who financed the shit-storm of sleaze that filled our mail-boxes every day? Zimmer & Roberts on the Titanic?… Read more »
Yes.We.Can.
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Yes.We.Can.
Well, of course it’s a matter of opinion. But as much as we think of him as a local crook, Menendez is one of the prominent faces of the national Democratic Party- he was the Chairman of the House Democratic Caucus for 3 years, as a senator serves on a few major committees, including Banking and Foreign Relations, and is frequently trotted out in the national media as a spokesman for the Dem Party, of course in large part to appeal to the Hispanic demographic, and show the diversity of the party. He is more of a player than you would want to admit, has deep ties in the DLC, the group whose purpose is to ‘shape’ the Democratic message. And it would seem that Petey was being groomed for BIG things, hence all the interest (and investment)in his advancement. IMHO, mayor was a mere pit stop on Petey’s rise to the national stage, with the sponsorship of national Dem. ‘leaders’ like Menendez. That’s how I see it. In response to matt_72 who said: One thing I would like to point out, I don’t think Petey was annoited by the NATIONAL Democratic party. I am a Republican and even I believe he was only annoited by the local state based crooks. Menendez is just a local crook who happens to be in the US Senate. But first & foremost, he is a local crook. I don’t like most Democrats in office at the national level but even I think they… Read more »
strand tramp
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strand tramp

and Madoff was a former chair of the NASD….so you say menendez is on the Banking committee. and how does THAT enhance the public opionion of him? but wait Foreign Relations too? and that is a rubber stamp for Clinton?..again where is the value of menendez? many are eagerly waiting to see him dragged into the current scandal.
No.You.Can’t.

In response to Yes.We.Can. who said:
Well, of course it’s a matter of opinion.

But as much as we think of him as a local crook, Menendez is one of the prominent faces of the national Democratic Party- he was the Chairman of the House Democratic Caucus for 3 years, as a senator serves on a few major committees, including Banking and Foreign Relations, and is frequently trotted out in the national media as a spokesman for the Dem Party, of course in large part to appeal to the Hispanic demographic, and show the diversity of the party.

He is more of a player than you would want to admit, has deep ties in the DLC, the group whose purpose is to ‘shape’ the Democratic message. And it would seem that Petey was being groomed for BIG things, hence all the interest (and investment)in his advancement. IMHO, mayor was a mere pit stop on Petey’s rise to the national stage, with the sponsorship of national Dem. ‘leaders’ like Menendez.

That’s how I see it.

jman01
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jman01
Infotain- You’re desperately trying to defend Stan’s creepy actions and his power over his wife’s political position(s). I didn’t distort anything and it’s not dishonest to give Stan’s exact quote. He’s quoted through out the article on the biggest scandal to hit Hoboken in years. Dawn doesn’t give a single quote and she let Stan carry the whole interview with the newspaper. The newspaper didn’t call Dawn about her lame bike lanes this is about a very serious issue and she damn well better take the call or handle the interview and not turn it over to her husband. What other politician has their spouse speaking for them on this NJ corruption bust? None. Only Zimmer. Unprofessional and incompetent. As far as Stan taking the call with the fake developer, yes, Stan’s ego is so inflated. He should have just taken the guy’s name and number and ended the call, but instead he keeps babbling on to a potential donor about his wife’s potential mayoral administration. Yes, that tells you who runs the show in that house. What other politician has their spouse speaking for them on their future administration? None. Only Zimmer. It shows that Dawn is unprofessional and incompetent. In response to InfotainMe who said: It’s not spin. YOU distorted the text. YOU DID THE SPINNING. You said ‘he was quoted’ saying he would make promises and not follow through. That is at best a distortion. But since you know where the article is, it’s probably more like… Read more »
InfotainMe
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InfotainMe
Wow, ok, never mind. I thought I was talking to someone. You’re a recording of some sort with no ethical center. Press 1 for circular reasoning, press 2 for total distortion, press 3 for outright lies. My arguments are based on people having some notion of social responsibility and, I don’t know, honor let’s say that allows for honest dialog. You invented an article, used it to slander someone, had the actual article waved in your face together with your lies about what’s in the article, and here you are still pretending to be the upright citizen. Wow. You’re outside of the sphere of people worth talking to in my limited time on earth. Via con dios, or whatever you via con. In response to jman01 who said: Infotain- You’re desperately trying to defend Stan’s creepy actions and his power over his wife’s political position(s). I didn’t distort anything and it’s not dishonest to give Stan’s exact quote. He’s quoted through out the article on the biggest scandal to hit Hoboken in years. Dawn doesn’t give a single quote and she let Stan carry the whole interview with the newspaper. The newspaper didn’t call Dawn about her lame bike lanes this is about a very serious issue and she damn well better take the call or handle the interview and not turn it over to her husband. What other politician has their spouse speaking for them on this NJ corruption bust? None. Only Zimmer. Unprofessional and incompetent. As far as… Read more »
jman01
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jman01

LOL! I love when Zimmers get so confused by the facts they resort to “you’re not worth talking to” or “I’m going to ignore you from now on.” That’s how Katie Scarlett used to end her posts when she lost an argument.

In response to InfotainMe who said:
Wow, ok, never mind. I thought I was talking to someone. You’re a recording of some sort with no ethical center. Press 1 for circular reasoning, press 2 for total distortion, press 3 for outright lies.

My arguments are based on people having some notion of social responsibility and, I don’t know, honor let’s say that allows for honest dialog. You invented an article, used it to slander someone, had the actual article waved in your face together with your lies about what’s in the article, and here you are still pretending to be the upright citizen. Wow.

You’re outside of the sphere of people worth talking to in my limited time on earth. Via con dios, or whatever you via con.

InfotainMe
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InfotainMe
I see your confusion now. You imagine that you have ‘arguments’ with people and that you ‘win’ these ‘arguments’. But there are preconditions to arguing or debating that you don’t understand. Let me draw you a picture. You know the game of chess? The smart kids were playing it in school while you were going through their lunch boxes. Yes, that game. If you play chess with someone and they take your queen, you can’t simply put the queen back on the board as if nothing happened. You have to face the fact that by the accepted rules of the game your queen is no more. If you can’t accept that you will soon find that you are limited, quite appropriately in your case, to playing with yourself. It’s the same with argument and debate. You have to accept certain conventions of discussion. Particularly, how to make and support a point and admit when support has fallen apart. Otherwise it is pointless to converse to you. Take our little chat. You cited an article that was critical of a candidate. In the article, according to you, “Stan Grossbard Zimmer was quoted as saying he would have taken the bribe but not followed through on promises“ You made that up. It was pointed out to you that THE ARTICLE YOU REFERENCED says Stan Grosbard refused to make promises and Dawn Zimmer refused to meet the guy. Then you decided Mr. Grosbard knew it was a bribe. “He’s so easily tempted to… Read more »
Journey
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Journey

I remember Katie, she tended to say that when talking to someone on here was like talking to a brick wall or listening to a broken record.

In response to jman01 who said:
LOL! I love when Zimmers get so confused by the facts they resort to “you’re not worth talking to” or “I’m going to ignore you from now on.” That’s how Katie Scarlett used to end her posts when she lost an argument.

TACOMA
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TACOMA

Grabbing on to last straws. What happened in the last election? She lost by only 161 votes mason got killed. I do not think the actions of the lottery made a impact. Move on! I am not a huge zimmer supporter. But the more people slam her the more I move towards her.

In response to jman01 who said:
LOL! I love when Zimmers get so confused by the facts they resort to “you’re not worth talking to” or “I’m going to ignore you from now on.” That’s how Katie Scarlett used to end her posts when she lost an argument.

john14
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john14

Speaking of dumb, to base your support or vote on what anonymous commenters have to say is really really stupid.

In response to TACOMA who said:
Grabbing on to last straws. What happened in the last election? She lost by only 161 votes mason got killed. I do not think the actions of the lottery made a impact. Move on! I am not a huge zimmer supporter. But the more people slam her the more I move towards her.

matt_72
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That depends if you base it only on what a commenter has to say or if that commentator was more just discussing facts/figures in the public domain (like the budget, payroll details, articles in the press, what happened in city council meetings, etc….). If it is purely unfounded rumors, I agree with you. But the posts that generate the most discussion tend to be about more concrete things.

In response to john14 who said:
Speaking of dumb, to base your support or vote on what anonymous commenters have to say is really really stupid.

sanity
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sanity
Yawn. Attack, attack, attack, even when there’s nothing there. Tell me, jman01, as much as you may really, really, really wish to impugn Dawn with your misread of Stan’s quote, did Dawn take the money? Was Dawn led away in handcuffs? Is Dawn indicted with a host of juicy quotes recorded by the FBI? No? What does that say about the truth behind your insinuations? In response to jman01 who said: Infotain- You’re desperately trying to defend Stan’s creepy actions and his power over his wife’s political position(s). I didn’t distort anything and it’s not dishonest to give Stan’s exact quote. He’s quoted through out the article on the biggest scandal to hit Hoboken in years. Dawn doesn’t give a single quote and she let Stan carry the whole interview with the newspaper. The newspaper didn’t call Dawn about her lame bike lanes this is about a very serious issue and she damn well better take the call or handle the interview and not turn it over to her husband. What other politician has their spouse speaking for them on this NJ corruption bust? None. Only Zimmer. Unprofessional and incompetent. As far as Stan taking the call with the fake developer, yes, Stan’s ego is so inflated. He should have just taken the guy’s name and number and ended the call, but instead he keeps babbling on to a potential donor about his wife’s potential mayoral administration. Yes, that tells you who runs the show in that house. What other… Read more »
jman01
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jman01

Yawn. Attack & denial. More Zimmer fanatics who refuse to accept that Dawn impugned her own reputation with illegal campaign tactics and HCDO handouts right out of the starting gate.

In response to sanity who said:
Yawn. Attack, attack, attack, even when there’s nothing there.

Tell me, jman01, as much as you may really, really, really wish to impugn Dawn with your misread of Stan’s quote, did Dawn take the money? Was Dawn led away in handcuffs? Is Dawn indicted with a host of juicy quotes recorded by the FBI?

No? What does that say about the truth behind your insinuations?

mooshu
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mooshu

Dawn also could afford her campaign plus everyone else’s campaigns combined, even my own if I elected to run for Mayor. Of course she wouldn’t have taken a bribe… because she didn’t need it!

Anyway, if Zimmer remains on board, will someone please let her know that the sewage system is in DIRE need of help? Also, the development needs to stop now. NOW. I mean it. Don’t ask how I know this, but the slugs and other creatures are reclaiming their territory (Hoboken). Don’t wait until we brace a real storm and we’re screwed and in a chaotic position.

You’ve been warned.

In response to sanity who said:
Yawn. Attack, attack, attack, even when there’s nothing there.

Tell me, jman01, as much as you may really, really, really wish to impugn Dawn with your misread of Stan’s quote, did Dawn take the money? Was Dawn led away in handcuffs? Is Dawn indicted with a host of juicy quotes recorded by the FBI?

No? What does that say about the truth behind your insinuations?

sanity
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sanity

Simple rule of politics: If you can’t defend, attack, attack, attack. If you attack enough, even the cleanest candidate can seem dirty, especially to those voters who don’t normally vote.

What do you think jman01 has left when he can’t defend?

In response to InfotainMe who said:
It’s not spin. YOU distorted the text. YOU DID THE SPINNING. You said ‘he was quoted’ saying he would make promises and not follow through. That is at best a distortion. But since you know where the article is, it’s probably more like a bald-faced lie where you simply hope no one else has read the article.

More distortion from you on Stan taking a call with someone and saying that proves he will be the mayor. Have you never been near a campaign? Do you think the candidate takes every call from every goofball?

You’re a dishonest broker, pure and simple.

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