Geese still love Maxwell Place

8/24/2010 Update:

Ugly Orange Fence gone; Geese situation unchanged

Welp, the consistent posts about the unattractive orange prison fence around Maxwell Place Park here on Hoboken411 finally got some action.

The plastic “deterrent” was removed recently, bringing much pleasure to many Hoboken residents. The park is finally back to normal after being an eyesore for nearly two months.

But, 411 received a little tip the other day, and some evidence on how these critters liked to walk back and forth between the water and their plush bathroom facilities.

As you can see below, it appears that someone created a gaping hole for the geese to freely come and go as they please (not that they couldn’t already do that since they have wings and all.) But word on the street is that it may have been an inside job. Typical for Hoboken!

See all previous updates, including “The Geese Police,” after the jump…

8/5/2010 Update:

That orange fence really works? Really?

Yesterday, a story was published on Hoboken411 about the not-so-attractive plastic orange fencing that surrounds the otherwise beautiful park at Maxwell Place.

One Hoboken resident wasn’t too happy with that post – saying that it was a “slam” against the condo complex. He said the fence DOES serve a purpose: to keep the geese out, and that the “harmless fence” keeps the park “sanitary for kids and pets.” He went on to ask (and this is verbatim): “how wud u like ur dog eating pounds of goose stuff?”

I responded, saying I was only publishing what many Hoboken residents had asked about – and that it didn’t do anything for the geese. “Do you live at MP?” I asked.

He said that he’s been living there for over a year, and that the “geese are gone.” He said he’s there 5+ days a week with his kids, and that my claims were “unsubstantiated” and that I was passing off “incorrect info as fact.”

Well, Mr. Maxwell Place – I took lots of pictures yesterday for the orange fence story. What I didn’t include in the gallery was the many disgusting photos of the geese, the hundreds of piles of goose crap, and the smegma filled “goose-dropping soup puddles” that made me throw up a little in my mouth. They’re in the photo gallery below for your viewing (dis)pleasure. Hope you didn’t have a big, greasy breakfast with sausage.

He did have one good idea though… “the permanent solution is the exterminate these non migratory geese,” but said that would cause a community uproar. In fact, the USDA recently euthanized 400 geese in Brooklyn – and since we’re so close to JFK and have much air traffic over the Hudson River, maybe we should get rid of them too?

7/23/2010 Update:

Take that, you pesky vandals!

Back in June – I posted an update here about how some kids meddled with the sign in front of the beach at Maxwell Place Park. They removed letters to make the sign look like it said “dogs allowed.”

Management at Maxwell Place eventually took care of the issue – and affixed a sheet of Plexiglas in front of the sign – making it almost tamper proof.

In a related note – many residents keep emailing me about the goose dropping problem at the park. Dogs really should be allowed – they help keep the park free of the disgusting birds, which make much more of a mess than our loving four-legged friends.

6/28/2010 Update:

Operation Maxwell Park Clean-up

Several Hoboken residents are still very angered at the “problems” that geese leave behind at Maxwell Place park – so much so, that they think it’ll throw a wrench into how much spectators can enjoy the Macy’s Fireworks Spectacular this Sunday! They’ve organized a community clean up this Thursday, July 1st – from 6pm to 8pm.

“As you know Fourth of July is coming up and we are expecting huge crowds down on Maxwell Park to enjoy the festivities. But if you have been down there in recent months to run along the path, enjoy the playground or just catch some rays you know how big of a problem the geese and their droppings have become. This is a health hazard to our families and makes the park unusable. At one point we have seen as many as 42 geese down at the park at one time.

We’ve seen the geese police but it doesn’t seem to have helped. The geese remain and there are still thousands of droppings. Please come out on Thursday night July 1st between 6-8 PM and give us 20-30 minutes of your time to help make our park more sanitary and more enjoyable for all especially for the upcoming holiday. We will supply the gloves and the bags and hope to sign a petition to send to Mayor Dawn Zimmer to do something about this horrible problem in our city park. If by chance the city takes control this week and gets the park cleaned up we will gladly cancel.”

Dogs now have swimming permits at Maxwell Beach!

6/7/2010 Update:
Hoboken411 reader Matt thought it was funny that the “rules” have changed in terms of dogs on the “beach” at Maxwell Place, saying “I guess someone else feels that its pretty ridiculous that no dogs are allowed, meanwhile there are thirty geese on the beach (literally). They should rename maxwell park to goose-crap park.”

But what to do about all the geese?

Hoboken411 reader Charles also chimed in about the gross geese at Maxwell Place Park:

“I’ve been meaning to write for a long time but have recently really reached my boiling point. Why are Canadian Geese allowed to walk, eat, and poop all over Maxwell Park yet dogs can not go on the grass? There must be about 80 pounds of goose poop all over the grass and sidewalk.

It is disgusting and must be a health issue as well. The geese are bold-as-can-be and walk right by people throughout the day. These birds are beautiful but something must be done to preserve the spot for all the residents of Hoboken who don’t have enough park space as it is. I understand some dog owners are not responsible with picking up poop or controlling their animals, but it seems that if dogs were able to chase these flying rats away (at least on off-hours), we could keep Maxwell much cleaner to the benefit of Hoboken residents. I guarantee I am not the only one to feel this way!”

My guess is that maybe the dogs are now allowed because they’re free geese repellents?

Dogs: No; Geese: OK

6/26/2008:

Most of us know there is a geese problem over at Maxwell Place park. Disgusting and unsanitary droppings all over the place. With no dogs allowed anymore, the geese like to call MP their new home.

Well, help is now here!

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Introducing the Geese Police

geese-police-get-the-flock-out.gifI had a chance to speak with Kurt (and his companion Meg – the “herding” Border Collie) this week to find out what’s being done about this nagging “quality of life” problem plaguing many residents.

For starters, this isn’t the first time the Geese Police have been in Hoboken. Maxwell Place had called them in during the construction phase of the mega-condominium project, but had canceled the contract once the geese were gone.

Since then, the disgusting foul have returned, and Maxwell Place management re-hired the “Geese B Gone” crew earlier in June.

From the Geese Police website:

“Our handlers are specially trained to work and properly control the dog using special techniques developed by Geese Police. In addition, our handlers are educated on the behavior of the Canada geese and their migratory, nesting and breeding habits. With this training they are also able to educate the public ensuring the most successful goose control program available.”

Kurt said that himself (and a fellow crew member) come to the site between two and five times per day to chase these pesky critters away. (Wouldn’t allowing “regular” dogs accomplish the same feat? For free?)

He uses two methods for scaring the birds: His faithful dog Meg, and a plastic bottle filled with golf balls.

I asked him what happened to the dog cutouts that were there previously, and he indicated that those aren’t effective at all, as “geese are smarter than you think.”

Howell, NJ based Geese Police also have other customers along the river, such as in Jersey City and Weehawken.

Hey, at least it isn’t paid for with taxpayer dollars!

PHOTO GALLERY (HOLD MOUSE OVER IMAGE TO NAVIGATE – 5 PHOTOS IN THIS SET)

5/19/2008 Update:

I’ve received over 30 emails about the goose droppings over at Maxwell Place park, all with pretty much the same sentiment. The most recent one said: “It really is very gross and a health hazard for children, especially playing in the grass where you can’t see it as well.”

And another: “Our Mayor and town government is useless. Unless there is a ribbon-cutting involved, they could care less. I know how I’m voting next year!”

Here’s a few more reader-submitted pictures. See the previous updates after the jump.

PHOTO GALLERY (HOLD MOUSE OVER IMAGE TO NAVIGATE – 3 PHOTOS IN THIS SET)

5/15/2008:

We all know there’s an ongoing battle between dog-lovers and dog-haters, and Hoboken has seemingly become less “dog-friendly.” Maxwell Place is one of the locations in town that now has more signs prohibiting where our furry friends can run around.

At one point in time, the Maxwell Place park had these dog cutouts along the water, which I presume served as geese deterrents. Well with no real dogs, and not even dog cutouts anymore, some geese are calling MP their home. Even having “geese-lets”…

Well, the pathway along the park now is incredibly disgusting, with horrible goose droppings all over the place (which is probably worse that dog crap.) Who’s picking this up?

Let the dogs (and their responsible owners) on the grass, and this problem will go away!

PHOTO GALLERY (HOLD MOUSE OVER IMAGE TO NAVIGATE – 10 PHOTOS IN THIS SET)

(sorry to ruin anyone’s lunch with these awful photos)

90 Responses

  1. homeworld says:

    What about the dogs that chase the geese?

  2. plywood says:

    Finally Optimum has a municipal contract! The new “quadruple play” lets ‘io’ dogs on the beach for free if you purchase the other three services! Better than their free movie night, right? I can still hear that shrew in the commercial saying “they see movies for free”!. I heard the new tag line is “they chase geese for free”.

    But really, people, if there are 11 dogs on the beach, who has to leave? Or do they ALL get fined?

    • mooshu says:

      That is very funny.[quote comment=”193226″]Finally Optimum has a municipal contract! The new “quadruple play” lets ‘io’ dogs on the beach for free if you purchase the other three services! Better than their free movie night, right? I can still hear that shrew in the commercial saying “they see movies for free”!. I heard the new tag line is “they chase geese for free”.But really, people, if there are 11 dogs on the beach, who has to leave? Or do they ALL get fined?[/quote]

  3. beerzgood says:

    Geese and dog crap, perfect together.

  4. mooshu says:

    Gasp!

    Yay. I know a few doggies who will be happy about this :). And don’t worry– they won’t poo on the beach!

  5. ctw says:

    Is this true that they are allowed? If you look at the one sign closely you can see that it looks like it used to say NO but someone removed the sticker.

    • homeworld says:

      It was a joke.[quote comment=”193239″]Is this true that they are allowed? If you look at the one sign closely you can see that it looks like it used to say NO but someone removed the sticker.[/quote]

  6. snowdays says:

    Before the city took over the park, Maxwell Place residents paid for the Geese Police and they did a very good job. For some reason the cut outs were removed and the geese are back. The city needs to get on the ball and hire the Geese Police back.
    They also do a very poor job of keeping the beach and shoreline clean of debris. By the way, Maxwell Place residents pay a proportionate share of their maintenance toward the park, but have no say in how that money is spent. They aren’t complaining, so why do people resent them? Jealousy is an ugly emotion.

    • matt_72 says:

      The city needs to send the police force over to the beach so they can get in a little target practice with their shotguns. We get to kill 2 birds with 1 stone ;-)[quote comment=”193241″]Before the city took over the park, Maxwell Place residents paid for the Geese Police and they did a very good job. For some reason the cut outs were removed and the geese are back. The city needs to get on the ball and hire the Geese Police back.
      They also do a very poor job of keeping the beach and shoreline clean of debris. By the way, Maxwell Place residents pay a proportionate share of their maintenance toward the park, but have no say in how that money is spent. They aren’t complaining, so why do people resent them? Jealousy is an ugly emotion.[/quote]

      • escaped68 says:

        Let me start by saying I hate these flying shit factories,but according to the government they have rights. You just can’t shoot them there must be a valid reason for shooting them and there is a bunch of paperwork involved with each one that is shot and filed with someone. [quote comment=”193266″]The city needs to send the police force over to the beach so they can get in a little target practice with their shotguns. We get to kill 2 birds with 1 stone [/quote]

      • matt_72 says:

        The valid reason would be called “target practice” plus they are a health hazard & public nuisance. Those flying shit factories would be covered by the migratory bird act if they migrated. But they don’t so they aren’t covered. They really don’t have rights and the government has already issued regulations allowing for the “population control” measures for these birds. The only reason nobody does anything about them is b/c we think hitting them w/ cars is a more humane means of population control than a shotgun. But you are right on paperwork. You probably do need a permit and you probably can’t let anyone other than a law enforcement officer do the shooting in this heavily a populated area (that is how they deal w/ deer in populated areas – that and they do it w/o warning at 4 AM so the protesters don’t show up & get in the way). That is why I suggested letting the cops do this.[quote comment=”193308″]Let me start by saying I hate these flying shit factories,but according to the government they have rights. You just can’t shoot them there must be a valid reason for shooting them and there is a bunch of paperwork involved with each one that is shot and filed with someone.

        [/quote]

      • escaped68 says:

        I’m for anything to get of these vile creatures and i wish it could be so easy buts it ‘s not. I worked at airports and these are the steps they had to follow; scare them by driving by blowing the horn, next they would play a tape of a goose being strangled[i don’t know how they got it], next was a shotgun with star burst shells, then finally the excution after obtaining permission. Each kill had to recored and a photo taken of the body and a bunch of paperwork had to go along with each kill. Copies of the reports had to go the feds, states and city. I think this might be the reason a lot of people don’t want to be bothered. It’s a giant clusterf**k[quote comment=”193310″]The valid reason would be called “target practice” plus they are a health hazard & public nuisance. Those flying shit factories would be covered by the migratory bird act if they migrated. But they don’t so they aren’t covered. They really don’t have rights and the government has already issued regulations allowing for the “population control” measures for these birds. The only reason nobody does anything about them is b/c we think hitting them w/ cars is a more humane means of population control than a shotgun. But you are right on paperwork. You probably do need a permit and you probably can’t let anyone other than a law enforcement officer do the shooting in this heavily a populated area (that is how they deal w/ deer in populated areas – that and they do it w/o warning at 4 AM so the protesters don’t show up & get in the way). That is why I suggested letting the cops do this.[/quote]

  7. hoboken411 says:

    The lettering was definitely peeled off by someone – I’m just waiting to see how long it takes them to either re-letter the signs – or replace with something that isn’t as cheap and prone to vandalism.

  8. xyzpdq says:

    The geese are out of control. There are whole families of them cruising the lawn now. It’s cute until you see what they’re leaving behind. They dump and dump and dump some more. It’s gotten to the point where kids can’t run on the lawn anymore. Its just a dung field. What a waste of space.

    • mooshu says:

      My faaaaavorite part is when they cross an intersection in Weehawken. 😆

      On a few occasions, while driving north, my husband and I have had to stop for a family of geese, including yellow and fluffy chicks. Other drivers have come to a halt as well. (They’d f*cking better.) It is amazing to watch traffic come to a halt like this.

      Very, very cute sight.[quote comment=”193283″]The geese are out of control. There are whole families of them cruising the lawn now. It’s cute until you see what they’re leaving behind. They dump and dump and dump some more. It’s gotten to the point where kids can’t run on the lawn anymore. Its just a dung field. What a waste of space.[/quote]

  9. lhoward222 says:

    I used to illegally bring my dog to the “beach” to run around because she enjoyed it so much (always made sure her tank was empty prior to beach run). Unfortunately, she ate some of the goose poop (gross!) then got wicked sick — bad enough to require expensive trip to vet. Now, we have to avoid the area, despite its appeal to play in the water and chase “waves” due to the awful goose mess which has gotten worse … as has the plastic debris and general litter and torn up liner under sand.

    Seems like geese and garbage have won. Unless, indeed, dog owners are allowed to provide their free geese chasing services and the City includes the beach in its clean-up services. What a shame — in the very beginning, Maxwell Place was marketed as having access to the “only natural beach on the Hudson”.

  10. YipYap says:

    You can’t shoot them but geese do have natural enemies.

    I would suggest the ever lovable killer swan. Get a few pairs of mating swans they will make fast work of the geese.

    Law of the Jungle…Killer Swan.


    (video added by admin)

  11. emarche says:

    Here’s what would really help with the geese down at Maxwell:

    How about people stop waddling out there with loaves of bread to feed the geese? My wife and I took our daughters out for a walk the other night and watched as a slob of a woman proceeded to dump a plastic bag full of bread all over the ground for these disgusting animals to enjoy. While I’m sure it’s a hoot to feed these flying crap factories, why don’t people understand that:

    1. Feeding them encourages them to stay and crap all over everything.
    2. Feeding them white bread? NOT GOOD FOR THE GEESE. That’s a fact.

    Here’s an idea: how about they stock some quality air-rifles in the boathouse? Everyone can come on down to either float the Hudson or take a shot at a Canadian Goose.

  12. HansBrix says:

    I was going to recommend a heavy feeding of Alka Seltzer but I read on Snopes that whole exploding bird thing was urban legend.

    The pellet gun idea will work but will encounter problems in real life.

    All it takes is a busybody do-gooder to cry… er… foul… and the airrifleman gets charged with “needlessly killing a living creature” and fined $1k.

    There’s a guy in Manasquan who will tell you all about it.

  13. Oz says:

    For those wanting to vent their frustration (and have a lot of good eatin’):
    http://www.jerseygooseoutfitters.com/

  14. homeworld says:

    Why’s the stupid snow fence still up?

  15. The Professor says:

    If they allowed my dog on that grass, everyone would be pretty happy (except me). He likes to snack on goose turds.

  16. hoboken21 says:

    You decide to spend close to a million dollars or more, just to say you live by the water. (Even though I live on harrison and have a better view of the skyline than most of the condo owners by the water.) But that’s besides the point, and you complain when you get what comes from being near water. What next? We need to hire pigeon police. They’re animals who hiss and get defensive when they mate and have babies. I think if I lived by the water, I’d be more worried about River rats (which I used to see all the time at Sinatra parks little shore). And to the idiot, who posted a video of a swan killing a gosling, what was the point? If your dog bit someone, should I show a video of your dog breed being killed? There was no point of that video. Anyway, the new developers in Hoboken tricked you guys into thinking Hoboken was a fairy tale land and you should spend all of this money, when it’s not. Sh!t happens. haha (Geese sh!t that is)

  17. animal_lover says:

    The geese are all flocking from Weehawken where dogs ARE allowed. So by not allowing dogs where adjacent neighborhpoods do you compound the problem of goose dung.

    I do see the kiddies playing in and near the crap and can’t help thinking the irony of the NO DOGS sign. 😐

  18. sagemike says:

    I live at Maxwell and am at the grassy pier several times a day walking our dogs. It was great when it was cleaned up for the 4th, and a maybe a couple of weeks after, then the shit started again. I think maybe the orange fence had them confused for a bit, but I imagine more likely the fireworks/holiday activity chased them away for a while.

  19. FBW says:

    The hansom railing at Pier A Park and along the walkway to Fourth Street provides safety for all including small children preventing them from climbing over or crawling under. It is also goose proof, as much as anything is.

    Fund For A Better Waterfront advocated this treatment at Maxwell Place, but the city rolled over for the developer. Now we have a tacky barrier of steel stanchions strung with a chain rope and festooned with an orange snow fence to keep the 4th of July crowds from falling in the river.

    Moral of the story: shut out public participation and the results leave much to be desired.

    This lesson needs to be applied to the design of the Stevens garage site. Sinatra Drive should be made friendly to pedestrians and bicyclist. Fifth Street should be extended directly to Sinatra Drive. The Fund has professionals who know how to do this and the politicians should listen.

    Jim Vance, President
    Fund For A Better Waterfront

  20. Litteredboken says:

    It was calls to the city, not posts on 411, that got action re: the orange fence. I am sure posting on 411 played a minor part, but people can’t just complain online and expect to get things done. You have to follow up with the people running the asylum, in this case, the parks dept.

    • hoboken411 says:

      Ummm.. I beg to differ. Countless times action has been taken shortly after a 411 post gave a particular situation widespread attention. Those teeny phone calls are the ones that get ignored.

      • Litteredboken says:

        You deserve a ton of credit. No offense intended. Seriously, this city is better in so many ways because of this website. And perhaps it was just a coincidence that I emailed Jennifer Maier, Friday the 13th (dun dun dun!), followed with a call with the efficient and pleasant Marie, who assures me that Freddie would have the fence down Monday. And it was. Maybe just coincidence!

        But instead of painting the picture that people can simply complain on a (fab) website and expect their complaints will be resolved by this city, why wouldn’t you urge people to contact the city? Contact their councilpeople? the ONLY postive thing I can say about this city is that they will respond to your calls. Please, let’s try and urge people to actively participate.[quote comment=”196532″]Ummm.. I beg to differ. Countless times action has been taken shortly after a 411 post gave a particular situation widespread attention. Those teeny phone calls are the ones that get ignored.[/quote]

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