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6/18/2009 3:25pm Update:

Hoboken411 reader John sent in a cameraphone pic from the scene of the accident. A cab jumped the curb. He said “The man hit was moving his legs, so that is a good sign.”

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6/18/2009 2:15pm:

Sounded pretty bad…

If you follow Hoboken411 on Twitter, you would have found out that about an hour ago, there was a pretty bad incident involving a vehicle and a struck pedestrian down by the Spa Diner on Hudson Street.

From communications on the Hoboken411 Live Police and Fire Action Channel – the injuries sounded quite serious. Additionally, police mentioned “property damage,” which would lead one to believe that the person struck may have been thrown quite some distance.

Moments ago, a 411 reader emailed me saying that the person struck was Eric Lawton, of the Lawton Turso Funeral Home at 633 Washington Street. Hopefully he’ll pull out of injuries!!

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pawzclawz
pawzclawz
Friday, June 19, 2009 3:30 pm

Pedestrians do messed up things. I include myself in there. A cab that was held together with spit and glue jumped a curb. Cab drivers drive on our streets like they just escaped from hell. I don’t get why someone who was just crossing a street gets blamed.

Litteredboken
Litteredboken
Reply to  pawzclawz
Friday, June 19, 2009 3:56 pm

Nobody was blaming him. We are discussing pedestrians who jaywalk all the time. We all do this, to be fair, but the boldness and stupidity of some of us is shocking.

I guess I just wonder why these ideas will go nowhere. I have seen a few great ideas on this board go to waste. There are simple things we citizens can do, but we’re not empowered.

In response to pawzclawz who said:

Pedestrians do messed up things. I include myself in there. A cab that was held together with spit and glue jumped a curb. Cab drivers drive on our streets like they just escaped from hell. I don’t get why someone who was just crossing a street gets blamed.

manolo
manolo
Friday, June 19, 2009 1:59 pm

Thank god Eric will be ok, he’s one lucky guy. How fortuitous that all this mayhem occurred on the day that HUMC opened up their brand new er. Did anyone hear if that was the drop off for injured. Just curious, cause when I watched Joan Quigley this am on njn proudly exclaiming that this er should not even be here, it might have in all probability become condos/ i hurled!

emarche
emarche
Friday, June 19, 2009 11:07 am

Not anti-pedite, Ken – anti-I’ll-walk-wherever-the-hell-I-want-to-walk-and-damn-the-consequences-pedestrians.

Taking the public transportation to the PATH is good, walking is even better. But crossing Hudson Street en masse against the light is ridiculous for all parties involved.

KenOn10
KenOn10
Reply to  emarche
Friday, June 19, 2009 12:01 pm

Please. The town is full of my-car-can-crush-you-like-a-bug- so-i-dont-have-to-stop-at-a-stopsign-drivers.

I’ll vote for a cop giving out jaywalking tickets by the PATH… if the lights are extended to 2 minutes for pedestrians and 30 seconds for cars. Cars are for the burbs.

In response to emarche who said:

Not anti-pedite, Ken – anti-I’ll-walk-wherever-the-hell-I-want-to-walk-and-damn-the-consequences-pedestrians.

Taking the public transportation to the PATH is good, walking is even better. But crossing Hudson Street en masse against the light is ridiculous for all parties involved.

whineanddineinhob
whineanddineinhob
Reply to  KenOn10
Friday, June 19, 2009 1:04 pm

OK Ken, great brilliant solution. You’ve just decreased your rate of survival by having cars speed up to beat that 30 second light you proposed.

In response to KenOn10 who said:

Please. The town is full of my-car-can-crush-you-like-a-bug- so-i-dont-have-to-stop-at-a-stopsign-drivers.

I’ll vote for a cop giving out jaywalking tickets by the PATH… if the lights are extended to 2 minutes for pedestrians and 30 seconds for cars. Cars are for the burbs.

iansacs
iansacs
Reply to  whineanddineinhob
Friday, June 19, 2009 1:38 pm

ah yes, the joys of traffic engineering finally rear their ugly head. in fact, for smaller intersections in urban areas where there is a lot of congestion, the solution is often counter-intuitive. instead of giving each phase (cars, pedestrians) more green time, it is usually better to reduce the time given to each phase, and switching between phases more frequently. this prevents long queues of cars/pedestrians waiting for the next time they can go/cross. i won’t go any further into engineering vernacular here, but i don’t see a huge queuing problem at the intersection of hudson/newark, what i see is a lot of jaywalking mucking up the works. if pedestrians wouldn’t cross illegally at this point, the intersection would likely operate just fine the way it is currently timed. for me, i always walk right past this intersection to the hudson street/hudson place intersection because there i do not have to wait for a “walk” signal (no signal there); i can cross as soon as i get there.

people who stand and wait at hudson/newark to cross are, in my opinion, not making the best use of their time. and of course, those who jaywalk are simply breaking the law and messing things up for everyone (not to mention risking their lives).

In response to whineanddineinhob who said:

OK Ken, great brilliant solution. You’ve just decreased your rate of survival by having cars speed up to beat that 30 second light you proposed.

KenOn10
KenOn10
Reply to  iansacs
Friday, June 19, 2009 2:00 pm

if indeed the jaywalking at Hudson and Newark is causing the mess, why not try to route the traffic back to Washington on 2nd Street instead of Newark? That far away from the PATH, the crowd might be dispersed enough so that the inevitable jay walker would be manageable? What about building an awning from the PATH to Observer and not allowing drop-offs at any other location? Or putting the cab stand there instead of routing those cars into the funnel? What about making a path entrance on the WEST SIDE of Hudson St? Do something positive! We don’t need any more fences and cops giving out tickets. In response to iansacs who said: ah yes, the joys of traffic engineering finally rear their ugly head. in fact, for smaller intersections in urban areas where there is a lot of congestion, the solution is often counter-intuitive. instead of giving each phase (cars, pedestrians) more green time, it is usually better to reduce the time given to each phase, and switching between phases more frequently. this prevents long queues of cars/pedestrians waiting for the next time they can go/cross. i won’t go any further into engineering vernacular here, but i don’t see a huge queuing problem at the intersection of hudson/newark, what i see is a lot of jaywalking mucking up the works. if pedestrians wouldn’t cross illegally at this point, the intersection would likely operate just fine the way it is currently timed. for me, i always walk right past… Read more »

iansacs
iansacs
Reply to  KenOn10
Friday, June 19, 2009 3:23 pm

kenon10, all valid ideas! i should take a moment here to clarify that my contributions to making our city “flow” better is on an entirely voluntary basis. so i don’t really have any “authority” to implement your suggestions. that said, i do agree that there are a lot of solutions to the current concerns, and i am hoping to help think through some of them. major changes in traffic patterns (pedestrian or vehicular) have to be carefully considered in terms of its effect on residents, businesses, and many other “stakeholders”. i think some of your ideas have merit, and hopefully we can get some community input going forward where these ideas and others can be bounced around. to me, the more ideas, the better!

In response to KenOn10 who said:

if indeed the jaywalking at Hudson and Newark is causing the mess, why not try to route the traffic back to Washington on 2nd Street instead of Newark? That far away from the PATH, the crowd might be dispersed enough so that the inevitable jay walker would be manageable?

What about building an awning from the PATH to Observer and not allowing drop-offs at any other location? Or putting the cab stand there instead of routing those cars into the funnel?

What about making a path entrance on the WEST SIDE of Hudson St?

Do something positive! We don’t need any more fences and cops giving out tickets.

KenOn10
KenOn10
Reply to  whineanddineinhob
Friday, June 19, 2009 2:16 pm

A lot you know – my rate of survival remains the same because I take the bus. In any event, I haven’t heard ANY solutions from you.

In response to whineanddineinhob who said:

OK Ken, great brilliant solution. You’ve just decreased your rate of survival by having cars speed up to beat that 30 second light you proposed.

KenOn10
KenOn10
Friday, June 19, 2009 10:38 am

What a bunch of anti-pedites!

Walking to the PATH = good
Driving to the PATH = bad

Restricting pedestrian access to the PATH solves the wrong problem. Speeding up auto traffic to the PATH will just encourage more lazy farts to drive. Only taxis, buses and cars with handicapped plates should be allowed to drive on Hudson Place during rush hour (at least).

Ken Lay
Ken Lay
Reply to  KenOn10
Friday, June 19, 2009 11:50 am

This isn’t about speeding up traffic, it’s about pedestrian safety. You can’t cross in the middle of the block. If you’ve ever had the misfortune of driving around the PATH station, you would surely acknowledge that the traffic is the least of your annoyances. The pedestrians popping out between parked cars are terrifying.

The town’s already botched the flow of traffic through out the entire southern end of the city. I think it would be more fair to call this city anti-car rather than anti-pedestrian.

In response to KenOn10 who said:

What a bunch of anti-pedites!

Walking to the PATH = good
Driving to the PATH = bad

Restricting pedestrian access to the PATH solves the wrong problem. Speeding up auto traffic to the PATH will just encourage more lazy farts to drive. Only taxis, buses and cars with handicapped plates should be allowed to drive on Hudson Place during rush hour (at least).

KenOn10
KenOn10
Reply to  Ken Lay
Friday, June 19, 2009 12:05 pm

Solution: don’t drive near the PATH.

In response to Ken Lay who said:

This isn’t about speeding up traffic, it’s about pedestrian safety. You can’t cross in the middle of the block. If you’ve ever had the misfortune of driving around the PATH station, you would surely acknowledge that the traffic is the least of your annoyances. The pedestrians popping out between parked cars are terrifying.

The town’s already botched the flow of traffic through out the entire southern end of the city. I think it would be more fair to call this city anti-car rather than anti-pedestrian.

Imasucker Bravo
Imasucker Bravo
Friday, June 19, 2009 9:57 am

39:4-36. … but no pedestrian shall suddenly leave a curb or other place of safety and walk or run into the path of a vehicle which is so close that it is impossible for the driver to yield. Nothing contained herein shall relieve a pedestrian from using due care for his safety.

You know, my parents always taught me to look both ways before crossing the street. This is something I constantly teach my children, especially now that they live in Hoboken and one of these days will be walking to school by themselves.

Why have so many adults forgotten this simple “Rule of the Road”? Personally, I never drive more than 20mph on the streets of Hoboken, other than Washington, because I know so many pedestrians will begin crossing the street when I’m about 20-30 feet from the intersection which barely gives me enough time to “yield the right of way to a pedestrian”. I would say about 90% of pedestrians never look before they cross.

My rant here has nothing to do with the horrific accident which occurred. My thoughts and prayers are with Eric. Classic case of being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

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