Parks becoming “Playgrounds”

Church Square Park {in disrepair}

Wow, didn’t Church Square Park JUST get re-done? Boy, those brainiacs at City Hall sure know how to pick winners!

The playground artificial surface already being ripped out. WTF?

Regardless if this was “an area in need of repair,” why can’t they fill this “safe rubbery surface” instead of replacing it? God forbid junior falls on the one square inch of surface that isn’t soft and cushy. Man, when we were kids there was none of this over-protective BS on the ground. I guess that’s why finding a “real” man will become a rarity in the future.

Church Square Park in Hoboken NJ already in disrepair

Less parks in Hoboken, NJ – More playgrounds!

1/16/2013 Update:

Over the past couple weeks, Hoboken411 has received many emails from residents regarding Church Square Park.

The general tone basically boils down to how astounded people are at how much of the useful “open space” has been transformed into what is now essentially a giant kiddie park.

One reader even suggested renaming the “park” to Church Square Playground.

(Oh and we already mentioned another case of “scope creep” that takes place regularly here when it comes to city contracts. They all of a sudden realized they need tens of thousands of more property taxpayer dollars for these toys…)

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26 Comments on "Parks becoming “Playgrounds”"


Member
Chow
2 years 7 months ago

The footprint of the new equipment is identical to the space used by the old equipment.

Additionally, by far, the number of people who utilize the parks in this town are families. There are no twenty-somethings just hanging out in the park. The elderly also come out when the weather warms up, but they disappear during the cold months.

The dog run takes up a significant area of space and is exclusive to dog owners. At night time there are tons of teens playing on the new playground equipment, which is better than having teens with nowhere to go roaming aimlessly.

What is the demographic of the complainers? I am very curious.

Member
ktbc
2 years 7 months ago

I agree 100% with Chow. I do not have children. Nevertheless, I find these complaints baffling. How can you be opposed to children having a place to play???

I live directly across the street from Church Square Park, so that park is part of my day-to-day life. I can’t tell you how uplifting it is to see so many families enjoying the park and spending time with each other, engaged in fun and leisure! I am certain it is one of the most utilized parks in town.

I love the Hoboken parks and take advantage of them. I use the dog parks regularly. I spend time relaxing in the open areas at Pier A & Pier C. I run along the waterfront at least a 2-3 times/week. I think the town has done a great job of at least trying to meet the needs of different groups when it comes to park space. There are open areas for relaxing, there are dog parks, there is a skate park, and a hockey ring, and basketball courts, and the entire f’ing waterfront. Yeah, there are issues with the original shoddy construction of the waterfront parks, but hopefully we’ll see some progress on that front. I do not understand what you people are complaining about. God forbid we have space for the children!! You sound like a bunch of a’holes to me.[quote comment=”219110″]The footprint of the new equipment is identical to the space used by the old equipment.Additionally, by far, the number of people who utilize the parks in this town are families. There are no twenty-somethings just hanging out in the park. The elderly also come out when the weather warms up, but they disappear during the cold months.The dog run takes up a significant area of space and is exclusive to dog owners. At night time there are tons of teens playing on the new playground equipment, which is better than having teens with nowhere to go roaming aimlessly.What is the demographic of the complainers? I am very curious.[/quote]

Member
SlappyWhite
2 years 7 months ago

Obviously you dont have kids and you have never been to this park at noon. There are about 4 different schools that use this park at recess for grades pre-K to 8. Some classes use the park twice a day. So, common sense would dictate more areas dedicated to children. Yet there is still areas for adults to walk and play activities (kick a soccor ball, play basketball).

Would you prefer it just be grass? I dont understand why you would even bring this up as an issue? You dont have kids so you question the merit of building a children’s park. Did you ever think that if young families have more activities for young children that they will be more likely to remain in hoboken for a longer period of time?

So you know, there are a lot of low-income families that use this park. So, we are not talking about a park just for affluent families sending their kids to private schools. You cannot find a better investment for a community then having activities for children.

And as for your earlier comment regarding the safety of the new spider web. My four year old climbs on it everyday and absolutely loves it. Her teachers watch all of the children very closely while they are on the ropes.

I can’t wait until you have children…you are going to look back at how foolish your thought process was!

Member
HOB424
2 years 7 months ago

We definitely need more open space and fields. There’s enough playgrounds for toddlers. Don’t be surprised is this issue comes up at the council meeting. Alot of parnets don’t like the new playgrouns because their toddlers can’t manage the equipment. What about a few years from now when their kdis are bigger, they will think alot differently. There’s enough for little toddlers. Older kids need much more open space and fields in this town. Or even adults who want to toss a football around, there’s not much open space to choose from.

Member
SlappyWhite
2 years 7 months ago

Ok, lets address HOB424: Older kids who like to play sports have few opportunities. For example, the baseball field; not only is it tough to enroll your kids on the team, but practice for young kids are at 7pm+. Also, you must realize that these fields (baseball, soccer) are used for sports. You cant lay on the grass and picnic or walk your dog. So unless you are actually playing a sport, you cant use the fields anyway. Not to mention, you dont have enough room for a field at Church Square park, so its a moot issue.

But, yes, in general, there is limited places for sports field. If you view the city master plan, there should be more fields added over the next few years.[quote comment=”219112″]We definitely need more open space and fields. There’s enough playgrounds for toddlers. Don’t be surprised is this issue comes up at the council meeting. Alot of parnets don’t like the new playgrouns because their toddlers can’t manage the equipment. What about a few years from now when their kdis are bigger, they will think alot differently. There’s enough for little toddlers. Older kids need much more open space and fields in this town. Or even adults who want to toss a football around, there’s not much open space to choose from.[/quote]

Member
HOB424
2 years 7 months ago

Agreed there’s not enough fields for the rec sports programs. There’s alot of teams that need playing and practice time. There’s alot of kids that sign up. Alot of these kids do not live here. Their parents choose to live in other towns and they don’t want their kids to play sports in the towns in which they live. This is a drain on the limited facilities we currently have.[quote comment=”219114″]Ok, lets address HOB424: Older kids who like to play sports have few opportunities. For example, the baseball field; not only is it tough to enroll your kids on the team, but practice for young kids are at 7pm+. Also, you must realize that these fields (baseball, soccer) are used for sports. You cant lay on the grass and picnic or walk your dog. So unless you are actually playing a sport, you cant use the fields anyway. Not to mention, you dont have enough room for a field at Church Square park, so its a moot issue.But, yes, in general, there is limited places for sports field. If you view the city master plan, there should be more fields added over the next few years.[/quote]

Member
Chow
2 years 7 months ago

Inaccurate statement. Hoboken residents are given priority over nonresidents in City run programs.

This discussion is about playground equipment. The complainer who wrote to 411 would complain about soccer fields if this was a new soccer field.

Everyone agrees that more is better, but space is limited and you have to make do with what you have in terms of space. [quote comment=”219129″]Agreed there’s not enough fields for the rec sports programs. There’s alot of teams that need playing and practice time. There’s alot of kids that sign up. Alot of these kids do not live here. Their parents choose to live in other towns and they don’t want their kids to play sports in the towns in which they live. This is a drain on the limited facilities we currently have.[/quote]

Member
Andrews
2 years 7 months ago

Aren’t schools supposed to have their own playgrounds? And why would this cost have to come from the municipal budget and not the board of education? Mixing up school kids and public is a bit unfair. Can I use the bathrooms in the school during the day?

Member
SlappyWhite
2 years 7 months ago

Andrews: I tried to respond but looks like my original response was not admitted. here it is:
Aren’t schools supposed to have their own playgrounds?
– Most schools cant afford their own space, nor is there enough space in the city for each school to have its own space.

And why would this cost have to come from the municipal budget and not the board of education?
– Its a public area. You are paying for the soccer field even if you never used it. Church Square park is used by more non-students than students.

Mixing up school kids and public is a bit unfair. Can I use the bathrooms in the school during the day?
– You probably could although they dont usually let strangers in. But your property taxes are paying for teachers, doesnt mean you can sit in on a class. Anyone can use the park, not just school kids.

[quote comment=”219113″]Aren’t schools supposed to have their own playgrounds? And why would this cost have to come from the municipal budget and not the board of education? Mixing up school kids and public is a bit unfair. Can I use the bathrooms in the school during the day?[/quote]

Member
HOB424
2 years 7 months ago

Why on earth should the board of ed pay fror playground equipment for private schools???[quote comment=”219118″]Andrews: I tried to respond but looks like my original response was not admitted. here it is: Aren’t schools supposed to have their own playgrounds? – Most schools cant afford their own space, nor is there enough space in the city for each school to have its own space.And why would this cost have to come from the municipal budget and not the board of education? – Its a public area. You are paying for the soccer field even if you never used it. Church Square park is used by more non-students than students.Mixing up school kids and public is a bit unfair. Can I use the bathrooms in the school during the day? – You probably could although they dont usually let strangers in. But your property taxes are paying for teachers, doesnt mean you can sit in on a class. Anyone can use the park, not just school kids.[/quote]

Member
Hoboken Teach
2 years 7 months ago

The majority of schools that use the playground during the day are public/charter schools. The private schools didn’t ask for it to be built, but will certainly take advantage of having it now that it is. With the lack of space in this town, schools depend on this area to give the kids the proper break from classes during the day. The playground was a great addition to the community and the kids absolutely love it.

Are we really arguing about having playground equipment for the children of this community? Or the fact that the town spent a lot of money to upgrade an outdated one?

This should be a good thing! Talk a walk around most days. You’ll see a lot of happy faces playing (and challenging themselves) on the equipment. [quote comment=”219122″]Why on earth should the board of ed pay fror playground equipment for private schools???[/quote]

Member
briank
2 years 7 months ago

Once again this seems to be a non-issue for the majority of people, but being kept alive by 411 and one or two grumps. As a parent of two young kids, I am thrilled to see some money being spent on quality of life tangible things we enjoy, instead of the black hole of most spending in this town. And some of the cost was donated funds too (not sure how much).