Does charity = “panhandling” in Hoboken?

How important is Hoboken Charter School Fundraising?

One Hoboken411 reader is a parent in town, and has submitted a letter expressing some concern over the Hoboken Charter School fundraisers after a fire devasted their school back in September.

They have chosen to be anonymous since their viewpoints will likely be considered “unpopular” with many other parents in town.

Letter: Hoboken Charter School – GET OFF MY BACK!

“I would suspect that most parents of young school kids in Hoboken would never say anything publicly about all these fundraisers, but I am getting ticked off by the constant panhandling to “Rebuild the Hoboken Charter School.”

The barrage of emails and begging never ceases!

As a proud parent of kids who pays over five figures per kid per year, I am a bit turned off by them expecting everyone else to pony up money for their inconvenience.

Shouldn’t the parents of the kids who work for big financial firms on Wall Street, who make tons a lot of money kick in since their kids go to school for free and they are not means tested at all?

I mean they win a “lottery” and they get 300k to 500K in “free” schooling for 9-13 years and we are suppose to feel bad?

The school found an alternate location in Jersey City, and they should be lucky they found a place and that their kids were not killed during the fire.

How entitled are these people?

Have you ever thought about why the fundraisers are even held at venues like the W Hotel, with lavish appointments and high end wine from Sparrow? Why not a more economical location like the Elks Lodge?

Most of the money raised will go towards event overhead, not charity! Sounds like every other sham charity in existence! Do they not realize that charity is a lot more than a fancy event? Where is the economic sensibility? Or do they only care about a party where they can compare notes about who has the most expensive stroller? Sickening and phony!

And what do they mean “Rebuild?” They were renting the space they’re in. I know this is a potentially sensitive topic for the community and it might alienate residents if you express yourself this way because it deals with “kids,” but I am growing tired of it. They were temporarily displaced until perhaps next school year. I assume they have insurance to cover the cost of what was lost so where will all this money go exactly? They will raise a lot out of guilt but I would like to see the accounting…”

Hoboken411 Note: This letter does not necessarily represent the views of this website, but was published to shine light on opinions of members of the Hoboken community.

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16 Comments on "Does charity = “panhandling” in Hoboken?"


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pcohob314
2 years 10 months ago

The original author of that wretched letter and those of you who have agreed are absolutely deplorable. You are talking about a school (and a great one at that) that was devastated by this event. If you don’t wish to donate to the cause, ignore the request and go on with your life. But every time you send a whopping check for your child’s private school tuition, I sincerely hope you’re haunted by the fact that Hoboken Charter lost so much (personally and professionally). In fact, your ability to afford private school tuition is a pretty solid indication that making a donation to the charitable cause won’t affect your bank account anyway. Honestly, if your life is so mundane that you feel the need to use an online forum to bash an elementary school’s efforts to rebuild, then you are clearly suffering from some deep-seated bitterness toward the charter school movement (which based on most of the previous comments, not many readers actually understand to begin with).

Additionally, the supposed ‘lavish’ venues you mention are offering charity to help contribute what they can because they understand that when tragedy strikes a community, all members of said community should pool together whatever resources possible in order to rebuild. They are providing an example of empathy and kindness, two emotions with which you are clearly deficient. Perhaps the kindergarten teacher at Hoboken Charter could show you a thing or two about sharing. I guarantee that the parents of Hoboken Charter School students are indeed donating all they can, and putting in hours and hours of work to ensure the students receive the best education possible despite the circumstances. In your deluded mind you fail to recognize the incredible cost of running a functional school (not to mention the obvious need to restore lost educational materials, repair the devastation in the building, pay the mortgage at the original building, and rent space in the temporary one). It is not asking too much when they reach out to others in the community. It is a truly necessary step to ensure the future of the school. You should all be ashamed at your poor attitude and selfishness.

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hoboken hobo
2 years 10 months ago

Some of these comments really amaze me. Charter schools do are not free. They always depend on money and donations from parents and charitable organizations. They do not receive the same amount of funding that regular public schools do, and to clarify that for some; they get less. Even when they are housed in public school buildings, the money that they receive doesn’t cover the total cost of salaries, books, equipment and housing. Hoboken Charter School was not renting the building at 713 Washington Street. They had a mortgage out on it. Yes I’m sure they have insurance but do you really think it covers the cost of the note that they still have to pay on 713 Washington, the rent they now have to pay for the temporary building that they are occupying, books, supplies and equipment. You do remember that although everyone made it out ok, they lost EVERYTHING! Not only are the parents taxpayers they were already giving to cover certain costs of the budget before the fire; and they still are. They can hold their fundraisers at ‘fancy’ locations because sometimes people say, hey you can use our location for your event for free. It’s called CHARITY, which also happens to be a tax write-off.

Why are you people so miserable?

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HOB424
2 years 10 months ago

When anyone says they are “free”, they are referring to the fact that they do not charge tuition. Kids attend “free” of charge. They take money from the district public school budget. Why should kids in the district schools get less? It’s only preceived to be better. [quote comment=”217565″]Some of these comments really amaze me. Charter schools do are not free. They always depend on money and donations from parents and charitable organizations. They do not receive the same amount of funding that regular public schools do, and to clarify that for some; they get less. Even when they are housed in public school buildings, the money that they receive doesn’t cover the total cost of salaries, books, equipment and housing. Hoboken Charter School was not renting the building at 713 Washington Street. They had a mortgage out on it. Yes I’m sure they have insurance but do you really think it covers the cost of the note that they still have to pay on 713 Washington, the rent they now have to pay for the temporary building that they are occupying, books, supplies and equipment. You do remember that although everyone made it out ok, they lost EVERYTHING! Not only are the parents taxpayers they were already giving to cover certain costs of the budget before the fire; and they still are. They can hold their fundraisers at ‘fancy’ locations because sometimes people say, hey you can use our location for your event for free. It’s called CHARITY, which also happens to be a tax write-off.Why are you people so miserable?[/quote]

Member
2 years 10 months ago

Imagine what taxes would be if all the kids that went to Private School decided to attend the Public Schools? What do you think the Budget would swell to in that case? Imagine the stress this would put on the system?

I am quite confident most people who send their kids to private school live in places with high taxes as well. To my knowledge they do not get a voucher if they decline to use the Public system. Even a few thousand dollars would be nice but then anyone without kids would want one, people who say “I never call the Cops” would want one, etc etc etc. 😕

Anyone lucky enough to get into a Charter School should really just count their lucky stars and tuition saved. I suspect with the vilify the rich attitude prevalent in today’s society it won’t be long before means testing for Charter School’s start occurring. All it would take is one family denied entrance from the Projects to find out what a student’s father made as a banker to set off a protest at city hall. “How can someone making a Million Dollars send their kid to school for free and my baby is stuck at Wallace!!!”

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whineanddineinhob
2 years 10 months ago

And to continue along these lines of being deceiving, it wasn’t too long ago that a bunch of us jumped at the opportunity to suppot the Hoboken Ambulance Corp at it’s annal Spaghetti dinner event on pier A only to find out after purchasing the tickets that the Ambulance Corp was only benifited thru the alcohol sales at the event. The other monies was directed as “event sponsored by dawn zimmer”. I would like to know the amount that was received and what zimmer is using the funds for!

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xxrjxx
2 years 10 months ago

That must have been some special ‘annal’ spachetti dinner. I guess you had to really watch out for what was in the sauce. 😯
lol[quote comment=”217553″]And to continue along these lines of being deceiving, it wasn’t too long ago that a bunch of us jumped at the opportunity to suppot the Hoboken Ambulance Corp at it’s annal Spaghetti dinner event on pier A only to find out after purchasing the tickets that the Ambulance Corp was only benifited thru the alcohol sales at the event. The other monies was directed as “event sponsored by dawn zimmer”. I would like to know the amount that was received and what zimmer is using the funds for![/quote]

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whineanddineinhob
2 years 10 months ago

It sure was XX and I believe the Ambulance Corp got screwed too. Since the people in my party weren’t drinkers, our entire cost went to zimmer for whatever reasons. We would have much rather just given a cash donation to the Ambulance Corp, and skip the dinner now knowing who actually benefited from the cost of our tickets. Yeah, we were screwed alright.[quote comment=”217556″]That must have been some special ‘annal’ spachetti dinner. I guess you had to really watch out for what was in the sauce. lol[/quote]

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hudson
2 years 10 months ago

I completely agree with you. I was annoyed that my private school sent out e-mails asking for donations. I pay a lot, willingly of course, for my child’s education already. Why am I being asked to pay for theirs? I know many of the parents who send their kids to the charters schools do so because they are free and many of the parents are just as well off as I am. I don’t blame them, but when it’s time to kick in money for whatever the expenses are to re-build that school I think they should then pony up. Even if they each gave 10K, 15K, 20K, that’s nothing when you think their kids go to school for free for 10 plus years.

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briank
2 years 10 months ago

Charter schools are funded through property taxes just like any other public school. They do not receive additional state aid, however. So they most definitely are NOT free, as comments have said.
As for the disparity of who send their kids where and how much they make, that is not somewhere we should go. Those same people can turn around and show that they pay three times as much in property taxes as another parent. That doesn’t give them additional rights or privileges so why should they be denigrated for sending their kid to the public school for which they pay with property taxes (or rent that eventually goes to property taxes). I don’t understand the anger toward some parents.
Lastly, I agree that I am not sure why a charter school needs todo a fund raiser (again other than the fact that they can’t get state aid, which may include potential emergency funds that a regular public school might get in this situation).
[quote comment=”217549″]I completely agree with you. I was annoyed that my private school sent out e-mails asking for donations. I pay a lot, willingly of course, for my child’s education already. Why am I being asked to pay for theirs? I know many of the parents who send their kids to the charters schools do so because they are free and many of the parents are just as well off as I am. I don’t blame them, but when it’s time to kick in money for whatever the expenses are to re-build that school I think they should then pony up. Even if they each gave 10K, 15K, 20K, that’s nothing when you think their kids go to school for free for 10 plus years.[/quote]

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HOB424
2 years 10 months ago

They are “free” in the fact that there is no tution. There are parents that send their kids here because, it’s like private school tuition free.[quote comment=”217550″]Charter schools are funded through property taxes just like any other public school. They do not receive additional state aid, however. So they most definitely are NOT free, as comments have said. As for the disparity of who send their kids where and how much they make, that is not somewhere we should go. Those same people can turn around and show that they pay three times as much in property taxes as another parent. That doesn’t give them additional rights or privileges so why should they be denigrated for sending their kid to the public school for which they pay with property taxes (or rent that eventually goes to property taxes). I don’t understand the anger toward some parents. Lastly, I agree that I am not sure why a charter school needs todo a fund raiser (again other than the fact that they can’t get state aid, which may include potential emergency funds that a regular public school might get in this situation).[/quote]

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hudson
2 years 10 months ago

Since everyone pays taxes and or rent in this town they are essentially free. They are getting something for their tax dollars in terms of school, most people don’t. At the end of the day you have a choice and it is how I decided whether or not to contribute. I pay taxes and I pay private school tuition. I pay enough in terms of schooling in this town. I am happy with my school period and hold no grudge to the parents who chose the Charter option (or have been chosen by the charter rather). I just don’t think I should pay for their kids schooling anymore than I already am. [quote comment=”217550″]Charter schools are funded through property taxes just like any other public school. They do not receive additional state aid, however. So they most definitely are NOT free, as comments have said.As for the disparity of who send their kids where and how much they make, that is not somewhere we should go. Those same people can turn around and show that they pay three times as much in property taxes as another parent. That doesn’t give them additional rights or privileges so why should they be denigrated for sending their kid to the public school for which they pay with property taxes (or rent that eventually goes to property taxes). I don’t understand the anger toward some parents.Lastly, I agree that I am not sure why a charter school needs todo a fund raiser (again other than the fact that they can’t get state aid, which may include potential emergency funds that a regular public school might get in this situation).[/quote]