2012 Presidential Election

2012 Presidential Debate Prep – MSM alternatives

Has the mainstream media (MSM) ever been completely honest and trustworthy with the information they disseminate to the masses?

I’m not so sure there was ever a time like that, but judging by what is happening here in 2012 – it seems like the MSM is trying harder than ever to “shape” public opinion, than they are “reporting” what is actually happening in the world.

With that being said, and I hope that most of you can see through the BS game that the “big networks” are playing in regards to domestic and international issues.

And I’m not going to get into the various endgame scenarios that are possible, but rather suggest some reading material to peruse prior to the various Presidential debates scheduled for this month.

Most of the stories you’ll read on these sites will not be covered in the MSM.

Recommended Reading

  • Newsbusters.org – They are diligent in uncovering the slanted reporting from the liberal media, and post several dozen stories daily. A must read.
  • Zerohedge.com – Mainly financial, but they shine light on many global economic issues – as well as domestic and foreign policy.
  • The Ulsterman Report – A very interesting political site, with supposed “insider” information. Apparently a lot of the stuff they published in the past – saw the light of day a year later… you’d have to read back into the archives to get up to speed.
  • Drudge Report – Most of you probably know about this, or have the app. But they do a great job aggregating the headlines – as well as frequently publish OLD stories that may contradict what certain individuals have recently said. A quick and easy way to get a pulse on what’s going on in the world.

It’s kind of concerning when it becomes very hard to trust the messages out there, and frustrating to think about how many people in this country actually take it at face value. Here’s an interesting speech given last month by Patrick Caddell, a former Democratic Pollster – who says that Mainstream media is threatening our country’s future:”

2012 Presidential Debate Schedule

  1. October 3rd @ 9pm (Presidential – topic: Domestic Policy)
  2. October 11th @ 9pm (Vice Presidential – topic: Domestic and Foreign Policy)
  3. October 16th @ 9pm (Presidential “Town Meeting” – topic: Domestic and Foreign Policy)
  4. October 22nd @ 9pm (Presidential – topic: Foreign Policy)

If none of this matters to you – then you might as well get helplessly drunk with other sheeple during the first Presidential debate.

19 Responses

  1. livestrong says:

    I read Drudge daily, and am amazed that the polling they reference shows Obama with a slight lead. I don’t know anyone voting for him! If Romney doesn’t win in a landslide, we have some major problems with this corrupt rigged country.

    • trueblue11 says:

      you need to get out more…and BTW, fox news is not fair and balanced. Obama, 4 more years.[quote comment=”217390″]I read Drudge daily, and am amazed that the polling they reference shows Obama with a slight lead. I don’t know anyone voting for him! If Romney doesn’t win in a landslide, we have some major problems with this corrupt rigged country.[/quote]

      • MidnightRacer says:

        Who mentioned Fox News? Here’s a silly question; why 4 more years? Is it like voting for the color blue, just because it’s blue and no other reason? Would love to hear the reasons for your support for another term.

        I can’t, on principle, be a cheer leader for anyone in government. For me, it’s kind of like the friend you have to bring along that sits in the back seat of the car judging everyone else, telling them what’s good for them, telling us where to go out, which restaurant, and at the end of the meal says they forgot their wallet.[quote comment=”217399″]you need to get out more…and BTW, fox news is not fair and balanced. Obama, 4 more years.[/quote]

    • Craig-D says:

      Drudge is citing Rasmussen, a right wing leaning poll that has posted results that are decidedly an outlier compared to all other polls for months. Even Fox News has Obama ahead nationally by a larger margin than Rasmussen reports. A poll of the popular vote is irrelevant in any case because that’s not how presidents are elected. Current electoral maps have Obama with at least 300 electoral votes if the election were held today (270 needed to win) and it’s possible he’ll get as many as 360 – which would be a blowout. Obama is now up big in Ohio, Virginia, and Florida. Romney needs 2 of those 3 to have a chance to win and it’s not gonna happen.

      The fact that you do not know anyone who is voting for Obama appears to speak to the demographic you hang with. It does not speak to the majority of the state by state voting population – which is increasingly not in the Romney camp. Assuming you live in NJ, which is a solid blue state, I find it hard to believe you don’t know a single person voting for Obama unless you live in some sort of bubble.[quote comment=”217390″]I read Drudge daily, and am amazed that the polling they reference shows Obama with a slight lead. I don’t know anyone voting for him! If Romney doesn’t win in a landslide, we have some major problems with this corrupt rigged country.[/quote]

  2. trueblue11 says:

    no one could fix the mess that GW Bush left our country in, no one. and difinitely not in 4 years. Why Obama didn’t press for him to charged as a war criminal is beyond me. A bullshit war in Iraq(weapons of Mass destruction?) 4 thousands or so US troops killed, Tens of thousands maimed and a million or so Iraqis civilians dead. For Nothing. (not counting profits made by Cheney and co.) But that’s another issue.
    Is Obama perfect, no way near, but I believe, as a country, we’re going in the right direction. Romney is so out of touch he won’t even release his tax returns. and why not tax the rich( or at least make them pay their fair share). If I were told my salary would be $200K per year, but I would have to pay 50% income tax, I’d say, “where do I sign”
    like I said, is Obama perfect, no, but I think he’s the better of the two, by far.

    • joey maxim says:

      you may be correct on certain issues…As far as WMD.Wasn’t the biological aka chemicals
      used on the Kurds considered WMD? Didn’t US and coalition troops use gas masks in the
      two conflicts in 91 and 2003? Is it just possible saddam snuck some wmd to syria or
      iran? The main target,should have been bin laden..Our country was attacked from within and our planes were used as bombs to hit nyc and DC.. Your guess is as good as anyone elses as to what is truth..It’s not about tax ,retirement,property values more than waking up the next day and thanking the Lord..[quote comment=”217408″]no one could fix the mess that GW Bush left our country in, no one. and difinitely not in 4 years. Why Obama didn’t press for him to charged as a war criminal is beyond me. A bullshit war in Iraq(weapons of Mass destruction?) 4 thousands or so US troops killed, Tens of thousands maimed and a million or so Iraqis civilians dead. For Nothing. (not counting profits made by Cheney and co.) But that’s another issue. Is Obama perfect, no way near, but I believe, as a country, we’re going in the right direction. Romney is so out of touch he won’t even release his tax returns. and why not tax the rich( or at least make them pay their fair share). If I were told my salary would be $200K per year, but I would have to pay 50% income tax, I’d say, “where do I sign” like I said, is Obama perfect, no, but I think he’s the better of the two, by far.[/quote]

  3. HansBrix says:

    W/r/t the economy, Iraq wasn’t nearly as bad a the war GWB waged on mortgage underwriting standards. In an ill conceived effort to get the minority vote he pushed and pushed to get home lending standards lowered specifically to increase “minority home ownership”. This allowed folks like Angelo Mozillo to collude with illegal strawberry pickers to defraud the american taxpayer via $700k subprime mortgages that couldn’t be paid.

    The press never said much about this (perhaps they were confused “Bush = bad; minorities = good. Does not compute) but if you read:

    policyalmanac.org/social_welfare/archive/wh_minority_housing.shtml

    You’ll see how the disaster got started.

    • HansBrix says:

      Meant to add: the fatal flaw was confusing “more affordable” with letting people borrow more. Easier borrowing ( for everyone) means higher prices. Look at college costs. So GWB helped create the housing bubble by Jihading against lending standards.

      And another take away: when a “conservative” president promotes a liberal policy…look out. It was Nixon who burdened us with affirmative action, Reagan who amnestied millions of illegals, and GWB who wanted to “spread democracy” in a region of the world where democracy had no hope of being accepted.

      And Iraq was about oil…but not for the reasons trueblue thinks. Hint: china made oil deals with Saddam.

      Ok that’s it for my non sequiturs.[quote comment=”217411″]W/r/t the economy, Iraq wasn’t nearly as bad a the war GWB waged on mortgage underwriting standards. In an ill conceived effort to get the minority vote he pushed and pushed to get home lending standards lowered specifically to increase “minority home ownership”. This allowed folks like Angelo Mozillo to collude with illegal strawberry pickers to defraud the american taxpayer via $700k subprime mortgages that couldn’t be paid.The press never said much about this (perhaps they were confused “Bush = bad; minorities = good. Does not compute) but if you read:You’ll see how the disaster got started.[/quote]

  4. MidnightRacer says:

    As with the local Hoboken elections, all these candidates promise this and that and end up being the third of *three kinds of people in the world (*see Team America: bar scene).
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cV_q-mVAAA

    Whether you’re a D or a P, it’s all the same. They keep promising to do more and more on top of a mountain of crap, but it’s just another turd of debt.

    If only both locally and federally, government began campaigning on what little they will do in terms of spending so that we impossibly avoid fiscal suicide of $16 trillion towards $23 trill without the frill. What will the candidates promise us that won’t force us to buy from corporations as a mandate so that they can guarantee huge bonuses for 100% market share cronyism?

    D’s always F things up, P’s are always codependent accessories to the crime, and those in office always have a record of BS.

  5. YipYap says:

    There was a last minute debate change apparently they have added a new twist, both candidates must now debate in their best southern accent. 😆

  6. MidnightRacer says:

    Here’s how I would structure the contest.

    All candidates come with deck of cards printed all spending programs the federal government currently funds, and those the candidates propose as new that they wish to add to the currently $16,000,000,000,000 (trillion) national debt. The moderator shuffles the decks and hands them to candidates. Each candidate, one at a time, then licks the back of the card and sticks it to their forehead. The other candidates then can help them guess what it is or lie to them. That blind candidate then decides whether to “Keep-or-Cut” the program. The candidate with the least amount of cards wins. The others automatically concede. The elections are a mere American Idol popularity contest as it actually really is.

  7. LimaEchoEcho says:

    anyone know of any debate watch parties in town aside from marty o’s and hoboken bar and grill?… Does everything in this town have to be about the yankees and the giants!?

    • LimaEchoEcho says:

      Here are some of the watch parties in the area for tonight’s debate. While the debate begins at 9:00 p.m., the festivities start much earlier.

      Mayor Healy’s Watch Party: 8:30 p.m., Brightside Tavern, 141 Bright St., Jersey City

      Fulop’s Jersey City Westside Watch Party: 8:30 p.m., the Park Tavern, 575 West Side Ave., Jersey City

      Hoboken Mayor Dawn Zimmer’s Watch Party: 8 p.m., Marty O’Brien’s, 94 Bloomfield St., Hoboken

      Jersey City Education Association GOTV: 6:30 p.m., JCEA Headquarters, 1600 Kennedy Blvd., Jersey City

      Drinking Liberally Watch Party: 7 p.m., Hoboken Bar & Grill, 230 Washington St., Hoboken

      Bayonne for Obama Watch Party: 8 p.m., 23 Maritime Way, Bayonne

      Obama Watch Party: 8 p.m., Nostalgia Cafe, 409 Martin Luther King Drive, Jersey City

      St. Peter’s University Watch Party: 8:30 p.m., MacIntyre Lounge, Kennedy Boulevard and Montgomery Street

      Hudson County Republican Club Watch party: 8:30 p.m., Golden Cicada Tavern, 195 Grand St., Jersey City.[quote comment=”217435″]anyone know of any debate watch parties in town aside from marty o’s and hoboken bar and grill?… Does everything in this town have to be about the yankees and the giants!?[/quote]

  8. Mitch Ultimato says:

    You want to know why some of us are voting for Obama? Here are some reasons:

    This list has appeared on many different blogs. Not sure who first posted it.

    (1) Dow up from 6,843 to 13,367 (with the advent of Bush’s failed economic policies, Dow dropped nearly 8,000 points);

    (2) unemployment slowing, 4.4 million jobs created (8 years of Bush: earned interest rate drops to near zero, unemployment surpasses 8.9%, economy hemorrhages 760,000 jobs per month, number of attacks on diplomatic outpost highest since 1979);

    (3) steady GDP growth,

    (4) ended DADT over a year ago, and none of conservatives fears materialized;

    (5) middleclass payroll/income tax at all-time low, generating an additional $3600 in disposable income per middleclass family;

    (6) 47 million Americans now have health insurance (America spends 17.6% of GNP on healthcare but ranks 50th in life expectancy; Canada has single payor system, spends 9.4%, and ranks in the top 15);

    (7) government spending down 9.8% (Bush increased government spending by 38%, turning Clinton surplus into $11.6 trillion deficit – 20 year projected price tag for Bush deficit: $34 trillion);

    (8) Wall Street institutions deemed “to big to fail” once again solvent, but – at the urging of Republicans – have refused small business access to $3 trillion in disposable investment capital;

    (9) US border guards tripled to 24,000;

    (10) 17 tax cuts equaling $671 billion for small business owners (Grover Norquist – de facto leader of the Republican Party – supports tax cuts for corporations, not small businesses or middleclass families);

    (11) Detroit resurrected, saving 1 million auto industry jobs – GM regains status as world auto leader;

    (12) 19,000 manufacturing plants reopened (because of Bush’s dreadful economic policies, 60,000 manufacturing plants padlocked, resulting in loss of 8.4 million jobs); and

    (13) Osama eliminated, Al-Qaeda command structure decimated (Bush’s resolve to prosecute the “war on terror” faltered, allowing Al-Qaeda to reconstitute, setting the stage for Osama to escape to Pakistan).

    So, is America better off now than 4 years ago? Of course, especially when viewed from the perspective that Obama received no help from John Boehner, Eric Cantor, Mitch McConnell, or Paul Ryan.

    • Mitch Ultimato says:

      Oh, and let me add one more: Osama bin Laden–dead. [quote comment=”217439″]You want to know why some of us are voting for Obama? Here are some reasons:This list has appeared on many different blogs. Not sure who first posted it.(1) Dow up from 6,843 to 13,367 (with the advent of Bush’s failed economic policies, Dow dropped nearly 8,000 points);(2) unemployment slowing, 4.4 million jobs created (8 years of Bush: earned interest rate drops to near zero, unemployment surpasses 8.9%, economy hemorrhages 760,000 jobs per month, number of attacks on diplomatic outpost highest since 1979);(3) steady GDP growth,(4) ended DADT over a year ago, and none of conservatives fears materialized;(5) middleclass payroll/income tax at all-time low, generating an additional $3600 in disposable income per middleclass family;(6) 47 million Americans now have health insurance (America spends 17.6% of GNP on healthcare but ranks 50th in life expectancy; Canada has single payor system, spends 9.4%, and ranks in the top 15);(7) government spending down 9.8% (Bush increased government spending by 38%, turning Clinton surplus into $11.6 trillion deficit – 20 year projected price tag for Bush deficit: $34 trillion);(8) Wall Street institutions deemed “to big to fail” once again solvent, but – at the urging of Republicans – have refused small business access to $3 trillion in disposable investment capital;(9) US border guards tripled to 24,000;(10) 17 tax cuts equaling $671 billion for small business owners (Grover Norquist – de facto leader of the Republican Party – supports tax cuts for corporations, not small businesses or middleclass families);(11) Detroit resurrected, saving 1 million auto industry jobs – GM regains status as world auto leader;(12) 19,000 manufacturing plants reopened (because of Bush’s dreadful economic policies, 60,000 manufacturing plants padlocked, resulting in loss of 8.4 million jobs); and(13) Osama eliminated, Al-Qaeda command structure decimated (Bush’s resolve to prosecute the “war on terror” faltered, allowing Al-Qaeda to reconstitute, setting the stage for Osama to escape to Pakistan).So, is America better off now than 4 years ago? Of course, especially when viewed from the perspective that Obama received no help from John Boehner, Eric Cantor, Mitch McConnell, or Paul Ryan.[/quote]

      • escaped68 says:

        The next sound you hear is the secret service knocking on your door, big brother will read your comment and act.[quote comment=”217440″]Oh, and let me add one more: Osama bin Laden–dead.[/quote]

      • joey maxim says:

        not to bust your bubble, if the former navy seal is correct,a female cia head planned most of
        the operation to get bin laden..All the KIA military searching in afgan only to find that
        this dog was in pakistan…This country that the usa sends billions betrayed the USA
        and in the process lost many mothers sons in these search and destroy missions.Regardless of
        how many Al qaeda is killed they have tons of offspring growing up to carry the fight.
        You can kill the man ,but not the cause..time for obama to bring our troops home then
        obama has my vote…

        [quote comment=”217440″]Oh, and let me add one more: Osama bin Laden–dead.[/quote]

      • xxrjxx says:

        Are you serious? The fact that he even had to question whether to pull the trigger should disqualify him. You’re giving Obama credit for a no-brainer? Please. You just shot your credibility.[quote comment=”217440″]Oh, and let me add one more: Osama bin Laden–dead.[/quote]

    • HansBrix says:

      Just a few comments:

      1. Bush isn’t running
      2. Bush isn’t running
      3. Very tepid GDP growth that keeps being revised downward
      6. If the USA had Canada’s demographics it could be equally successful with a Canadian HC system. But it doesn’t so it won’t.
      7. The president does not control spending and has very limited control over deficits and surpluses – this is civics 101. I continue to be amazed at how many people still say “Clinton surplus.” Plus a lot of the surplus was due to fleeting revenues from a false tech bubble economy.
      12. Bush isn’t running
      13. Bush isnt running

      Saying Obama is better than Bush is a non sequitur. Yeah Bush was marginally qualified and only got the job because who his father was. Then again the same is true for BHO.[quote comment=”217439″]You want to know why some of us are voting for Obama? Here are some reasons:This list has appeared on many different blogs. Not sure who first posted it.(1) Dow up from 6,843 to 13,367 (with the advent of Bush’s failed economic policies, Dow dropped nearly 8,000 points);(2) unemployment slowing, 4.4 million jobs created (8 years of Bush: earned interest rate drops to near zero, unemployment surpasses 8.9%, economy hemorrhages 760,000 jobs per month, number of attacks on diplomatic outpost highest since 1979);(3) steady GDP growth,(4) ended DADT over a year ago, and none of conservatives fears materialized;(5) middleclass payroll/income tax at all-time low, generating an additional $3600 in disposable income per middleclass family;(6) 47 million Americans now have health insurance (America spends 17.6% of GNP on healthcare but ranks 50th in life expectancy; Canada has single payor system, spends 9.4%, and ranks in the top 15);(7) government spending down 9.8% (Bush increased government spending by 38%, turning Clinton surplus into $11.6 trillion deficit – 20 year projected price tag for Bush deficit: $34 trillion);(8) Wall Street institutions deemed “to big to fail” once again solvent, but – at the urging of Republicans – have refused small business access to $3 trillion in disposable investment capital;(9) US border guards tripled to 24,000;(10) 17 tax cuts equaling $671 billion for small business owners (Grover Norquist – de facto leader of the Republican Party – supports tax cuts for corporations, not small businesses or middleclass families);(11) Detroit resurrected, saving 1 million auto industry jobs – GM regains status as world auto leader;(12) 19,000 manufacturing plants reopened (because of Bush’s dreadful economic policies, 60,000 manufacturing plants padlocked, resulting in loss of 8.4 million jobs); and(13) Osama eliminated, Al-Qaeda command structure decimated (Bush’s resolve to prosecute the “war on terror” faltered, allowing Al-Qaeda to reconstitute, setting the stage for Osama to escape to Pakistan).So, is America better off now than 4 years ago? Of course, especially when viewed from the perspective that Obama received no help from John Boehner, Eric Cantor, Mitch McConnell, or Paul Ryan.[/quote]

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