Letter: Medieval Times is educational?

What kind of education does Hoboken provide to children?

Hoboken411 reader Kay was quite miffed when a strange $500 taxpayer funded trip appeared on this week’s Hoboken Board of Education Agenda…

“On the Board of Ed agenda this week was approval for a field trip for high school students to Medieval Times in Lyndhurst, NJ on November 15th.

I was blown away, disgusted, appalled, you name it. The purpose of the trip is “History: The Middle Ages!” Laughable and moronic is the only way to describe the Hoboken educational system.”

“No qualified educator would consider a trip to an entertainment complex an opportunity to learn about the Middle Ages. Does the BOE and the Hoboken High teachers think Medieval Times is run by historians and that they offer great historical archives for the perusal of our students? I’ve got news for them, MT is run by Excellence Group Luxury Resorts and they call their product “A Show.” Saucy wenches serving food and buff young men re-enacting jousting tournaments is not a lesson in history.

This is like taking high school students to Las Vegas so they can see the Eiffel Tower and learn the history of Paris (and hear Barry Manilow while they’re at it), or Six Flags for a day to learn about physics and centrifugal force.

Why couldn’t the BOE find one way to spend the $456 in taxpayer money towards a real educational experience? Incompetence? Yes.

And we wonder why Hoboken public school students receive such a substandard education. Blame the Board of Education members and teachers for their own inadequacies, and blame the parents who don’t bother to pay attention to the actions of the BOE and the teachers.”

What will the next Hoboken educational experience be?

411 Note: Take a look at some of the photos from the Medieval Times Website – One might confuse them for Hoboken St. Patty’s Day photos… I’m guessing with “perks” like this creeping into our system (and out of YOUR pockets) – it may not be long before the following “educational” events follow suit. Feel free to add your own…

  • Math: The House Always Wins – A trip to Atlantic City for a whirlwind day with the kids at slot machines and roulette tables.
  • Economics: A billion dollars – Renting out Clearview Cinemas uptown to show the entire Harry Potter movie series in one sitting.
  • Women’s Studies – A lunchtime soiree to the Satin Dolls strip club on Route 17 – endorsed by Michelle Obama and Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg!

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45 Comments on "Letter: Medieval Times is educational?"

WhoAreYou
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WhoAreYou

Do you or your children go to HHS? Did you ever go to HHS? You all sit here and comment on things taking place in the school when you don`t take the three seconds out of the day to walk into that school to see what is going on. Go work on wall street and make your money and leave the kids alone! For once they will be having a nice time and people have to make comments? It is always something. Mind your business as they mind theirs.

youme66
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youme66

I’m a taxpayer, that’s who I am. I know exactly what’s going on in the schools. As long as my taxes are paying for these UNDER-PERFORMING district schools, then this is my business and I have a right to voice my opinions on everything the BOE does.

From the comments you and HR have made, it’s quite obvious that HHS is doing a very poor job in the area of grammar and sentence structure. You could also use a lesson in debate and learn how to build a compelling argument. Why you feel entitled to goof off at the expense of taxpayers, rather than work hard to get an education, shows your misdirected values.

But hey, if you want to finance all these expensive play dates yourself, be my guest. It’s only $500 – you don’t mind paying for that, right?

I’d like my tax dollars to go towards an actual education. [quote comment=”211644″]Do you or your children go to HHS? Did you ever go to HHS? You all sit here and comment on things taking place in the school when you don`t take the three seconds out of the day to walk into that school to see what is going on. Go work on wall street and make your money and leave the kids alone! For once they will be having a nice time and people have to make comments? It is always something. Mind your business as they mind theirs.[/quote]

wiskeytango1
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wiskeytango1
66 ment to add do you look at your paycheck after deductions of federal tax? 30% or more? your paying for an unwinable conflict in afgan as well as usa lives and over 6 billion sent to pakisan and isreal..Not to mention 100 speical opts people send to a certain part of africa to try and quell the killling and feed the people.. Your paying big time for foreign policy to people that hate us…The poor in africia are starving to death and we have people at home complaining of high taxes..As long as you go to bed with a full tummy what the f***k do you care? I guess its a case of mind over matter .you dont mind and the starving dont matter.. Tax this. 😀 [quote comment=”211649″]I’m a taxpayer, that’s who I am. I know exactly what’s going on in the schools. As long as my taxes are paying for these UNDER-PERFORMING district schools, then this is my business and I have a right to voice my opinions on everything the BOE does.From the comments you and HR have made, it’s quite obvious that HHS is doing a very poor job in the area of grammar and sentence structure. You could also use a lesson in debate and learn how to build a compelling argument. Why you feel entitled to goof off at the expense of taxpayers, rather than work hard to get an education, shows your misdirected values.But hey, if you want to finance all these… Read more »
youme66
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youme66

This is plain wrong. Whether this trip is for regular students or students with special needs, Medievel Times is not an authentic educational experience. It’s pure crap entertainment.

To say this trip is okay for special needs students is condescending to say the least. Children with special needs deserve an appropriate, challenging education just like other students at HHS. To give them an inappropriate play date instead of a meaningful and authentic history lesson (as the BOE agenda claims) is to do a disservice to ANY student.

There are plenty of great museums in the NYC area where students can learn about Medievel history and see actual artifacts from that time period. Why the BOE utilizes the worst that NJ has to offer is beyond me.

mooshu
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mooshu

Um, agree on the “it’s not educational” part, disagree on the rest.

I have a special needs (with a rare genetic disorder) member in the family, and he did receive a quality education at his school. But he did also enjoy trips like this, and they were rare.

This stuff is what he understands. I mean, you can try teaching him SAT Math, but I doubt you’ll succeed at it.[quote comment=”211622″]This is plain wrong. Whether this trip is for regular students or students with special needs, Medievel Times is not an authentic educational experience. It’s pure crap entertainment.To say this trip is okay for special needs students is condescending to say the least. Children with special needs deserve an appropriate, challenging education just like other students at HHS. To give them an inappropriate play date instead of a meaningful and authentic history lesson (as the BOE agenda claims) is to do a disservice to ANY student.There are plenty of great museums in the NYC area where students can learn about Medievel history and see actual artifacts from that time period. Why the BOE utilizes the worst that NJ has to offer is beyond me.[/quote]

youme66
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youme66
You are assuming that all special needs kids are at a low-functioning level academically and socially. Many are high-functioning students with Aspergers and other disabilities who not only test well but test way above regular students. “Special Needs” is a very large umbrella which includes kids with ADHD and other disabilities that don’t necessarily prevent them from testing well, in fact, some test at genius levels, and do very well on college exams. It’s often their behavior skills that keep them in special needs classrooms. That said, it was disingenuous for the BOE to label this trip as “History of the Middle Ages.” If they want to take the students on a $500 entertainment trip, they should have labeled it as such and they should have the PTO raise the funds through one of their car washes or other fundraising activities that they regularly promote. It seems all of their fundraising goes to the athletics department. The key here is that your family member attends a good school, not a Hoboken public school. Hoboken Public schools are doing terrible in the national testing. Truly horrible. They need to put that $500 towards a real educational experience for special needs students. That doesn’t mean it can’t be a blast. The Hoboken BOE is simply lacking in knowledge and vision. [quote comment=”211634″]Um, agree on the “it’s not educational” part, disagree on the rest.I have a special needs (with a rare genetic disorder) member in the family, and he did receive a quality… Read more »
mooshu
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mooshu

I apologize. Very good points, and I do believe this trip is mislabeled.

[quote comment=”211639″]You are assuming that all special needs kids are at a low-functioning level academically and socially. Many are high-functioning students with Aspergers and other disabilities who not only test well but test way above regular students. “Special Needs” is a very large umbrella which includes kids with ADHD and other disabilities that don’t necessarily prevent them from testing well, in fact, some test at genius levels, and do very well on college exams. It’s often their behavior skills that keep them in special needs classrooms.That said, it was disingenuous for the BOE to label this trip as “History of the Middle Ages.” If they want to take the students on a $500 entertainment trip, they should have labeled it as such and they should have the PTO raise the funds through one of their car washes or other fundraising activities that they regularly promote. It seems all of their fundraising goes to the athletics department.The key here is that your family member attends a good school, not a Hoboken public school. Hoboken Public schools are doing terrible in the national testing. Truly horrible. They need to put that $500 towards a real educational experience for special needs students. That doesn’t mean it can’t be a blast. The Hoboken BOE is simply lacking in knowledge and vision.[/quote]

youme66
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youme66

I think you made some excellent points as well. The difference is, your scenario involves a very good school district with a quality education, one that does not exist in Hoboken.

You’re very fortunate that your family member can benefit from a quality public educational system that knows how to implement appropriate “fun trips.”

Let’s face it, MT isn’t quality.

[quote comment=”211640″]I apologize. Very good points, and I do believe this trip is mislabeled.[/quote]

mooshu
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mooshu

I guess it does feel like watching a show with Knights at Applebee’s.

I don’t go to Applebee’s, just comparing.[quote comment=”211641″]I think you made some excellent points as well. The difference is, your scenario involves a very good school district with a quality education, one that does not exist in Hoboken.You’re very fortunate that your family member can benefit from a quality public educational system that knows how to implement appropriate “fun trips.”Let’s face it, MT isn’t quality.[/quote]

wiskeytango1
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wiskeytango1

moosh how yea doing..Stairway to the stars.hugs 😉 [quote comment=”211642″]I guess it does feel like watching a show with Knights at Applebee’s.I don’t go to Applebee’s, just comparing.[/quote]

mooshu
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mooshu

Oh, sweet Jeebus…

[quote comment=”211654″]moosh how yea doing..Stairway to the stars.hugs [/quote]

xxrjxx
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xxrjxx

I feel the love…[quote comment=”211661″]Oh, sweet Jeebus…[/quote]

mooshu
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mooshu

Well, that makes one of us because I feel the nausea.[quote comment=”211685″]I feel the love…[/quote]

wiskeytango1
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wiskeytango1

gee mooshu…hope you didn’t mean me..Hope your not being quarter backed by that person . golly gee.[quote comment=”211687″]Well, that makes one of us because I feel the nausea.[/quote]

HobokenRedwing
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HobokenRedwing

I’m sorry i think you have no type of feelings for these kids. Museums??? There too boring for those kids, they need life and fun in learning things no matter what they learn. Its not like we wasting money on stupid buildings we don’t need in hoboken at all! You have too see how happy these kids get when they go outside to see and learn something. You have no idea what these kids want in their life all people care about is money! Money will not buy you damn happiness or anything else in this world. Shame on you.[quote comment=”211622″]This is plain wrong. Whether this trip is for regular students or students with special needs, Medievel Times is not an authentic educational experience. It’s pure crap entertainment.To say this trip is okay for special needs students is condescending to say the least. Children with special needs deserve an appropriate, challenging education just like other students at HHS. To give them an inappropriate play date instead of a meaningful and authentic history lesson (as the BOE agenda claims) is to do a disservice to ANY student.There are plenty of great museums in the NYC area where students can learn about Medievel history and see actual artifacts from that time period. Why the BOE utilizes the worst that NJ has to offer is beyond me.[/quote]

youme66
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youme66

On the contrary, I feel strongly that special needs students deserve respect and the best way to show that is to offer them a high quality education. They can experience great happiness and go outside as you say at more appropriate venues than Medievel Times, which is nothing more than an entertainment complex.

Schools are not in the business of entertainment, they are in the non-profit sector of education.

Fortunately, for the students and their parents, you are not the spokesperson for special needs students.[quote comment=”211627″]I’m sorry i think you have no type of feelings for these kids. Museums??? There too boring for those kids, they need life and fun in learning things no matter what they learn. Its not like we wasting money on stupid buildings we don’t need in hoboken at all! You have too see how happy these kids get when they go outside to see and learn something. You have no idea what these kids want in their life all people care about is money! Money will not buy you damn happiness or anything else in this world. Shame on you.[/quote]

HobokenRedwing
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HobokenRedwing

Who says I’m not??? Hoboken is a good school and not my fault people disagree but I agree with the trip and it’s not like anyone can stop them. I am spokesperson for them and i know who runs that class pretty well and that teacher does an awesome job because i bet no one can do a better job then that teacher. I’m proud of my school and it’s education. If no one does maybe people should just mind there own business and move on with their lives and not make fun of Students of Hoboken High School. They should worry about other things in hoboken. [quote comment=”211628″]On the contrary, I feel strongly that special needs students deserve respect and the best way to show that is to offer them a high quality education. They can experience great happiness and go outside as you say at more appropriate venues than Medievel Times, which is nothing more than an entertainment complex.Schools are not in the business of entertainment, they are in the non-profit sector of education.Fortunately, for the students and their parents, you are not the spokesperson for special needs students.[/quote]

youme66
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youme66

Yeah, sure you are. You blew your cover a few posts back with your contrived over-the-top comments. You are not the person you say you are and you never made the compelling argument you think you made.

You might as well post, “I don’t want to work, I just want to bang the drum all day.”

HR, you’re not fooling anyone. Give it a rest. How sad that you’d exploit the persona of a special needs student. Really, pathetic.

Shame. On. You.[quote comment=”211630″]Who says I’m not??? Hoboken is a good school and not my fault people disagree but I agree with the trip and it’s not like anyone can stop them. I am spokesperson for them and i know who runs that class pretty well and that teacher does an awesome job because i bet no one can do a better job then that teacher. I’m proud of my school and it’s education. If no one does maybe people should just mind there own business and move on with their lives and not make fun of Students of Hoboken High School. They should worry about other things in hoboken.[/quote]

nacholibre
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nacholibre

There were no utensils in medieval times, hence there are no utensils AT Medieval Times. Would you like a refill on that Pepsi?

wiskeytango1
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wiskeytango1

nach,get in touch with yourself .It was said in fun..Hence would you llike a refill on that jack daniels? 😛 [quote comment=”211488″]There were no utensils in medieval times, hence there are no utensils AT Medieval Times. Would you like a refill on that Pepsi?[/quote]

wiskeytango1
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wiskeytango1

ifs it MEDIEVAL TIMES why do they give you forks and knives to eat with? Years back was called class trips..I remember in ps#9 visiting newark airport..dont know who paid for the trip..in the early 50s…don’t remember if the kids parents had to donate ..not sure.. that was a real boe..graft corruption and no one was entitled …btw 3 dollars was taken out of city employees paychecks a week..

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