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		<title>By: J-</title>
		<link>http://hoboken411.com/archives/7039/comment-page-4#comment-31161</link>
		<dc:creator>J-</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2007 05:20:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>emarche, perhaps I was busy working and didn&#039;t have the time to keep up with the bull-politics and the great changes that are occurring as we blog.  and I don&#039;t have to stay out of anything.  I can make comments just as you may and I can share my thoughts the same.  good luck changing the world, I mean Hoboken, whatever..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>emarche, perhaps I was busy working and didn&#8217;t have the time to keep up with the bull-politics and the great changes that are occurring as we blog.  and I don&#8217;t have to stay out of anything.  I can make comments just as you may and I can share my thoughts the same.  good luck changing the world, I mean Hoboken, whatever..</p>
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		<title>By: emarche</title>
		<link>http://hoboken411.com/archives/7039/comment-page-4#comment-31148</link>
		<dc:creator>emarche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2007 21:33:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HHoney - you are absolutely right; thank you for the link and, more importantly, thank you for taking action.

J - stay out of this. Snide comments have little, if anything, to do with changing the current political climate in our town so please: stay out of this unless you&#039;re actually serious about taking a role. &quot;...there isn&#039;t any amount of letters, complaints, etc. to change the system&quot;? Obviously you haven&#039;t been awake over the past week or you&#039;d be quite aware that vigilance, perseverance and what you deem ineffective behavior has yielded precisely what we hope to accomplish: change.

Start writing, everyone; our favorite goon-with-the-silly-haircut needs to hear about what went down with our election v2.0 shenanigans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HHoney &#8211; you are absolutely right; thank you for the link and, more importantly, thank you for taking action.</p>
<p>J &#8211; stay out of this. Snide comments have little, if anything, to do with changing the current political climate in our town so please: stay out of this unless you&#8217;re actually serious about taking a role. &#8220;&#8230;there isn&#8217;t any amount of letters, complaints, etc. to change the system&#8221;? Obviously you haven&#8217;t been awake over the past week or you&#8217;d be quite aware that vigilance, perseverance and what you deem ineffective behavior has yielded precisely what we hope to accomplish: change.</p>
<p>Start writing, everyone; our favorite goon-with-the-silly-haircut needs to hear about what went down with our election v2.0 shenanigans.</p>
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		<title>By: J-</title>
		<link>http://hoboken411.com/archives/7039/comment-page-4#comment-31146</link>
		<dc:creator>J-</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2007 20:56:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about issuing your complaints to Codey instead?  He&#039;s probably the only one who cares.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about issuing your complaints to Codey instead?  He&#8217;s probably the only one who cares.</p>
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		<title>By: J-</title>
		<link>http://hoboken411.com/archives/7039/comment-page-4#comment-31134</link>
		<dc:creator>J-</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2007 15:10:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HHoney, Corzine is on the same &quot;voter fraud&quot; committee.  Hudson county politics is sickening.  Although I think making a statement in large numbers really makes a difference,  there isn&#039;t any amount of letters, complaints, etc to change the system.  Corzine should have been booted out when HE BROKE NJ LAW by failing to wear a seatbelt and had his driver speeding down the highway at 90+ an hour.  what justice message does that send out to the smaller people?  He wheels with his crutches out of the hospital, says he&#039;s sorry and it&#039;s a done deal.  I don&#039;t get it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HHoney, Corzine is on the same &#8220;voter fraud&#8221; committee.  Hudson county politics is sickening.  Although I think making a statement in large numbers really makes a difference,  there isn&#8217;t any amount of letters, complaints, etc to change the system.  Corzine should have been booted out when HE BROKE NJ LAW by failing to wear a seatbelt and had his driver speeding down the highway at 90+ an hour.  what justice message does that send out to the smaller people?  He wheels with his crutches out of the hospital, says he&#8217;s sorry and it&#8217;s a done deal.  I don&#8217;t get it.</p>
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		<title>By: HHoney</title>
		<link>http://hoboken411.com/archives/7039/comment-page-4#comment-31132</link>
		<dc:creator>HHoney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2007 14:54:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment=&quot;30538&quot;]The stories are true about the voter fraud.  But here is the lovely catch.  So the guy who was chased out of the voting station and later arrested - he actually did not commit a crime.  Because in the great state of New Jersey attempting to commit voter fraud is not a crime.  But if the polling station let him vote, then called the police then it becomes a crime, but of course the illegal vote still counts.  Got to love New Jersey.[/quote]
Two things: 1) it is true that the homeless guy in question did not commit a crime but the person who hired him certainly did and that needs to be investigated.  2) The reason our votes are numbered is so that in the case of fraud the machine can be opened up and the vote can be pulled.  Two such votes had to be pulled from the 5th Ward 4th District machine during the run-off when two 18 year old girls voted for a 85 year old dead woman and 39 year old woman who moved over two years ago.

Between the 4th, 5th and 6th wards there are over 140 reported incidences of voter fraud during the run-off.  With such a huge volume and voter fraud is under the jurisdiction of the State, I wanna know why our fellow resident and governor isn&#039;t doing jack:?: :!:

I would like to suggest that everyone here who is disgusted by this, then e-mail Gov. Corzine (http://www.state.nj.us/governor/govmail.html) and tell him what you think.  I already have written him and requested that the State Attorney General investigate.  If he gets enough letters, he will have to pay attention.  And don’t forget to write letters to the Hoboken Report, Jersey Journal and New York Times.  The JJ and NYT have both done several stories on voter fraud issues in Hoboken and probably would again. 

&quot;All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.&quot; Edmond Burke</description>
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The stories are true about the voter fraud.  But here is the lovely catch.  So the guy who was chased out of the voting station and later arrested &#8211; he actually did not commit a crime.  Because in the great state of New Jersey attempting to commit voter fraud is not a crime.  But if the polling station let him vote, then called the police then it becomes a crime, but of course the illegal vote still counts.  Got to love New Jersey.</p>
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<p>Two things: 1) it is true that the homeless guy in question did not commit a crime but the person who hired him certainly did and that needs to be investigated.  2) The reason our votes are numbered is so that in the case of fraud the machine can be opened up and the vote can be pulled.  Two such votes had to be pulled from the 5th Ward 4th District machine during the run-off when two 18 year old girls voted for a 85 year old dead woman and 39 year old woman who moved over two years ago.</p>
<p>Between the 4th, 5th and 6th wards there are over 140 reported incidences of voter fraud during the run-off.  With such a huge volume and voter fraud is under the jurisdiction of the State, I wanna know why our fellow resident and governor isn&#8217;t doing jack:?: <img src='http://hoboken411.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_exclaim.gif' alt=':!:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I would like to suggest that everyone here who is disgusted by this, then e-mail Gov. Corzine (<a href="http://www.state.nj.us/governor/govmail.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"></a><a href='http://www.state.nj.us/governor/govmail.html' target="_blank">http://www.state.nj.us/governor/govmail.html</a>) and tell him what you think.  I already have written him and requested that the State Attorney General investigate.  If he gets enough letters, he will have to pay attention.  And don’t forget to write letters to the Hoboken Report, Jersey Journal and New York Times.  The JJ and NYT have both done several stories on voter fraud issues in Hoboken and probably would again. </p>
<p>&#8220;All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.&#8221; Edmond Burke</p>
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		<title>By: HHoney</title>
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		<dc:creator>HHoney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2007 14:36:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment=&quot;30600&quot;]And you forget, the PROPONENTS of same day registration (the Democratic party) are also AGAINST requiring voters to show ID when they vote.  [/quote]
Wow!  What a huge over statement!  The last two years the major groups of people who have been calling for IDs to vote have been the reform democrats.  

I also doubt that anyone who has ever worked at a polling place or worked with polling data anywhere in NJ would ever be supportive of same day registration.  The information management of polling data and voter information is so outdated that I&#039;m pretty sure they still use stone tablets.  Getting them upgraded to the punch-card system and early 20th century technology would be a HUGE improvement!  The volume of errors is mind-blowing.  NJ just doesn&#039;t have the level of technical and process sophistication necessary to handle safe day registration.</description>
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And you forget, the PROPONENTS of same day registration (the Democratic party) are also AGAINST requiring voters to show ID when they vote.  </p>
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<p>Wow!  What a huge over statement!  The last two years the major groups of people who have been calling for IDs to vote have been the reform democrats.  </p>
<p>I also doubt that anyone who has ever worked at a polling place or worked with polling data anywhere in NJ would ever be supportive of same day registration.  The information management of polling data and voter information is so outdated that I&#8217;m pretty sure they still use stone tablets.  Getting them upgraded to the punch-card system and early 20th century technology would be a HUGE improvement!  The volume of errors is mind-blowing.  NJ just doesn&#8217;t have the level of technical and process sophistication necessary to handle safe day registration.</p>
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		<title>By: Journey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Journey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 21:47:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment=&quot;30652&quot;]My bad I&#039;m a bit tired today and misread.[/quote]

You know, I shouldn&#039;t have been picky you must be exhausted.</description>
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My bad I&#8217;m a bit tired today and misread.</p>
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<p>You know, I shouldn&#8217;t have been picky you must be exhausted.</p>
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		<title>By: FAP</title>
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		<dc:creator>FAP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 19:17:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My bad I&#039;m a bit tired today and misread.</description>
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		<title>By: Journey</title>
		<link>http://hoboken411.com/archives/7039/comment-page-4#comment-30632</link>
		<dc:creator>Journey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 18:10:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment=&quot;30622&quot;]The state has non-driver IDs that serve the purpose.[/quote]

I did say that most blind folk have them. I was debunking the excuse, I guess poorly.

[quote comment=&quot;30617&quot;]As visually impaired person with more than the average number of blind, legally blind, and visually impair friends and acquaintances, I know most have non-driver&#039;s ID. How else are you going to get beer and cigs? Just joking. I know that the Commission for the Blind and Visually Impaired is very helpful in get us all kitted out if our families are not in the position to do so. Every client of the CfBVI has a caseworker. Ok I have not needed a case worker since I graduated college, but I had one then.

I’m pro having IDs. I’m not sold on RFIDs being embedded into them.[/quote]</description>
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The state has non-driver IDs that serve the purpose.</p>
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<p>I did say that most blind folk have them. I was debunking the excuse, I guess poorly.</p>
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As visually impaired person with more than the average number of blind, legally blind, and visually impair friends and acquaintances, I know most have non-driver&#8217;s ID. How else are you going to get beer and cigs? Just joking. I know that the Commission for the Blind and Visually Impaired is very helpful in get us all kitted out if our families are not in the position to do so. Every client of the CfBVI has a caseworker. Ok I have not needed a case worker since I graduated college, but I had one then.</p>
<p>I’m pro having IDs. I’m not sold on RFIDs being embedded into them.</p>
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		<title>By: FAP</title>
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		<dc:creator>FAP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 17:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote]The first group of people I can think of who do not as general rule do not have driver licenses are the blind and visually impaired. So at first glance one would think requiring an ID would make it hard on them.[/quote]

The state has non-driver IDs that serve the purpose.</description>
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The first group of people I can think of who do not as general rule do not have driver licenses are the blind and visually impaired. So at first glance one would think requiring an ID would make it hard on them.</p>
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<p>The state has non-driver IDs that serve the purpose.</p>
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