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Man chasing man – Voter Fraud
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June
6/12/2007 5:00pm:
I just realized we could parlay this event into an annual 5k run. It’d be really fun!!
6/12/2007 10:00am:
Lots of good real life action movie chase scenes in Hoboken lately.
Overheard at 9:45 this morning, a “charger” (I think they mean “challenger”) was chasing a man on Garden Street between 10th and 11th. This challenger believed this man to have committed “Voting Fraud”. He had white hair, sunglasses, white t-shirt and red backpack.
The police were notified and apprehended the man at 1006 Washington Street. The policeman said County Election board will be handling this.
Francis O’Donnell is the man in question, and the Hudson County Election investigator is responding.
I was informed by someone on the scene that allegedly the man was paid a whopping $10 by the Stack people to say he was “such and such” person, and to vote for Belfiore. When challenged at the poll, the man fled the scene. This apparently happened at the Fox Hills voting location.
That’s all I have so far. Check out the live police scanner for more!!
June 13th 2007 - 12:37:38 |
There is plenty of wiggle room – a drivers license is not proof of citizenship.
And what is to prevent a person from voting twice? What if they were already registered in one ward and vote there, but then do a “same day registration” vote in another ward? If they got caught they could always claim they were not the ones that cast that first ballot – after all – you don’t show an ID for voting in NJ so who is to say otherwise. And What if a person were to register and vote in multiple districts on the same day?
And you forget, the PROPONENTS of same day registration (the Democratic party) are also AGAINST requiring voters to show ID when they vote. They are also in favor of allowing illegal immigrants to get a drivers license (which would allow them to register and vote).
So yeah. plenty of room for fraud. In fact, I would argue same day registration would almost make fraud easier to do!
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June 13th 2007 - 12:41:24 |
YipYap wrote:
That’s circular logic. The absence of documented fraud does not prove the absence of fraud. As well, any time you choose to validate something with a human instead of a machine, human error comes into play.
Given that no electronic verification is in place, and sole case by case discretion is put upon a busy poll worker, human error always plays a part in the degradation of validity.
I’m not against same day registration. I’m against the glance over twice and nod of a head pseudo verification of an ID’s validity. Why can’t they just run the ID’s through a scanner and double check on the computers? I don’t see why not.
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June 13th 2007 - 12:45:40 |
FAP wrote:
Voting through same day registration is via a provisional ballot. If the clerk deems that the individual is not eligible to vote, then the ballot is discarded.
More details here: http://www.nj.gov/oag/elections/voter-rights-hb.pdf
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June 13th 2007 - 12:55:44 |
I’m confused – are you telling me that if you are not registered you can show up at the polls, register AND vote all at once?
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June 13th 2007 - 13:02:09 |
gmac17 wrote:
Yes. In some, not all states.
You walk right up to the poll worker, show a valid ID. The poll worker looks at it in their hands, gives it back to you and reigsters you on the spot to vote.
There’s no objective electronic verification nor is there a system in place to limit you from voting more than if you choose to drive right over to the next polling station.
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June 13th 2007 - 13:09:11 |
MidnightRacer wrote:
There is no verification at the polling place, but that’s why the vote is cast using the provisional ballot. It’s the same thing as if you claim to have registered but weren’t found in the book. Later they can verify that you only voted once. (i.e. They will see more than one provisional ballot or they will see that you signed the book at a different polling place.)
They also use the provisional ballot to prevent disenfranchising voters… when someone can’t figure out where they are supposed to vote, they can then vote via provisional ballot at any polling place. Then the clerk can check later to see if the person is eligible to vote and did not vote twice.
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June 13th 2007 - 13:13:27 |
Does not the address on your valid ID limit which polling station you can vote at?
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June 13th 2007 - 13:25:12 |
Journey wrote:
I think they allow you to vote with a provisional ballot at other locations so they aren’t turning anyone away.
The last thing the electoral process needs is people saying that they were turned away from the polls.
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June 13th 2007 - 13:26:34 |
Colin wrote:
The first group of people I can think of who do not as general rule do not have driver licenses are the blind and visually impaired. So at first glance one would think requiring an ID would make it hard on them.
As visually impaired person with more than the average number of blind, legally blind, and visually impair friends and acquaintances, I know most have non-driver’s ID. How else are you going to get beer and cigs? Just joking. I know that the Commission for the Blind and Visually Impaired is very helpful in get us all kitted out if our families are not in the position to do so. Every client of the CfBVI has a caseworker. Ok I have not needed a case worker since I graduated college, but I had one then.
I’m pro having IDs. I’m not sold on RFIDs being embedded into them.
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June 13th 2007 - 13:26:53 |
matt_72 – You’re right, a driver’s license is not proof of citizenship. However, NJ licenses do note the citizenship status of the holder if that person is not a citizen. Non-citizens must show documentation of citizenship status when applying for a driver’s license in NJ.
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June 13th 2007 - 13:34:29 |
FAP wrote:
The state has non-driver IDs that serve the purpose.
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June 13th 2007 - 14:10:37 |
FAP wrote:
I did say that most blind folk have them. I was debunking the excuse, I guess poorly.
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June 13th 2007 - 15:17:02 |
My bad I’m a bit tired today and misread.
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June 13th 2007 - 17:47:06 |
FAP wrote:
You know, I shouldn’t have been picky you must be exhausted.
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June 17th 2007 - 10:36:13 |
matt_72 wrote:
Wow! What a huge over statement! The last two years the major groups of people who have been calling for IDs to vote have been the reform democrats.
I also doubt that anyone who has ever worked at a polling place or worked with polling data anywhere in NJ would ever be supportive of same day registration. The information management of polling data and voter information is so outdated that I’m pretty sure they still use stone tablets. Getting them upgraded to the punch-card system and early 20th century technology would be a HUGE improvement! The volume of errors is mind-blowing. NJ just doesn’t have the level of technical and process sophistication necessary to handle safe day registration.
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June 17th 2007 - 10:54:40 |
strand wrote:
Two things: 1) it is true that the homeless guy in question did not commit a crime but the person who hired him certainly did and that needs to be investigated. 2) The reason our votes are numbered is so that in the case of fraud the machine can be opened up and the vote can be pulled. Two such votes had to be pulled from the 5th Ward 4th District machine during the run-off when two 18 year old girls voted for a 85 year old dead woman and 39 year old woman who moved over two years ago.
Between the 4th, 5th and 6th wards there are over 140 reported incidences of voter fraud during the run-off. With such a huge volume and voter fraud is under the jurisdiction of the State, I wanna know why our fellow resident and governor isn’t doing jack:?:
I would like to suggest that everyone here who is disgusted by this, then e-mail Gov. Corzine (http://www.state.nj.us/governor/govmail.html) and tell him what you think. I already have written him and requested that the State Attorney General investigate. If he gets enough letters, he will have to pay attention. And don’t forget to write letters to the Hoboken Report, Jersey Journal and New York Times. The JJ and NYT have both done several stories on voter fraud issues in Hoboken and probably would again.
“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.” Edmond Burke
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June 17th 2007 - 11:10:26 |
HHoney, Corzine is on the same “voter fraud” committee. Hudson county politics is sickening. Although I think making a statement in large numbers really makes a difference, there isn’t any amount of letters, complaints, etc to change the system. Corzine should have been booted out when HE BROKE NJ LAW by failing to wear a seatbelt and had his driver speeding down the highway at 90+ an hour. what justice message does that send out to the smaller people? He wheels with his crutches out of the hospital, says he’s sorry and it’s a done deal. I don’t get it.
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June 17th 2007 - 16:56:12 |
How about issuing your complaints to Codey instead? He’s probably the only one who cares.
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June 17th 2007 - 17:33:05 |
HHoney – you are absolutely right; thank you for the link and, more importantly, thank you for taking action.
J – stay out of this. Snide comments have little, if anything, to do with changing the current political climate in our town so please: stay out of this unless you’re actually serious about taking a role. “…there isn’t any amount of letters, complaints, etc. to change the system”? Obviously you haven’t been awake over the past week or you’d be quite aware that vigilance, perseverance and what you deem ineffective behavior has yielded precisely what we hope to accomplish: change.
Start writing, everyone; our favorite goon-with-the-silly-haircut needs to hear about what went down with our election v2.0 shenanigans.
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June 18th 2007 - 01:20:38 |
emarche, perhaps I was busy working and didn’t have the time to keep up with the bull-politics and the great changes that are occurring as we blog. and I don’t have to stay out of anything. I can make comments just as you may and I can share my thoughts the same. good luck changing the world, I mean Hoboken, whatever..
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