Hoboken Crime Statistics

Hoboken Crime Statistics show an increase

Hoboken411 reader str8talker submitted a letter regarding the recent “statistics” released by the city.

“I was just on the City of Hoboken’s website to get a telephone number, and I see that Mayor Zimmer’s posted crime statistics she requested from the Police Department.

Because I’m a dedicated Hoboken411 reader, I know the crime debate (as to whether there has been an increase) has come up recently. Obviously this is sore spot for Zimmer since she cut the size of the HPD and has already seen the negative results. Of course now, she’s trying to spin the facts. At first glance, I thought these statistics might prove that there was no increase in crime – but I took a deeper look. In fact, these statistics prove that there has been an increase in crime. That’s just like our Mayor to jump to the wrong conclusion too quickly.”

Take another look at the stats – and what wasn’t reported?

“You see – you can’t look at these statistics from a bird’s-eye perspective. You need to compare what months are like year to year. Why? Because of course weather and holidays are going to affect how many people are in town and how many are out and about. That’s just common sense. If you compare the months of March for 2009-2011, and the months of January from 2009-2011, guess what? There is an upward increase in total number of incidents:

March 2008 – 57
March 2009 – 86
March 2010 – 101
March 2011 – 96

(That’s a 68% increase from 2008 to 2011!)

Also, how can these stats be accurate where they indicate only 2 (2009), 9 (2010) and 13 (2011) aggravated assaults in the month of March (St. Patty’s?). I though on that day alone there were well over that number, let alone in the whole month!

Now look at December for the past three years:

December 2008 – 78
December 2009 – 100
December 2010 – 100

(That’s a steady 22% increase from 2008 to 2010)

Then look at August where there is historically much more crime:

August 2008 – 166
August 2009 – 121
August 2010 – 93

Crime was actually going down for a while! I attribute this to the fact that we actually had a functioning, well-oiled, staffed, police force. How much do you want to bet that this August is off the charts now that the HPD’s been crippled by our Mayor?

Hopefully you’ll post this with one of your great images. I hate to think people reading the City’s website who don’t take the time to look at this more closely are once again duped by the Administration.

Thanks!

str8talker

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14 Comments on "Hoboken Crime Statistics"

xtreme
Member

What concerns me the most is that these numbers appear to have their sharpest increases during the 2008 – 2010 period when comparing on a monthly basis (with the exception of August).

Keep in mind that the police layoffs/restructuring weren’t announced until mid 2010 so it doesn’t seem that the two are related, IMHO. I’m wondering if the increase is due to the more to economic situation than anything else.

Stats are always good to have but like many have said they can be skewed any which way to suit one’s agenda. My personal favorite is when politicians try to indicate a decrease in crime by having targeting high capture/conviction crimes like Drug Use and Prostitution while the more serious crimes of Assault, Theft, etc. largely go unnoticed. But the stats indicate an overall decrease 😯

HomeTeam
Member
HomeTeam

Bummer the shooting range had to close…that block of Madison was the safest in town.

adamc
Member
adamc

I’ve looked at these numbers about 9 times and I can’t understand the logic being used to support his point. If anything, the numbers point the other way.

homeworld
Member

I keep hearing the anti-Zimmer folks saying she’s cut the force and the pro-Zimmer folks say she didn’t cut it, that people just retired/were reassigned.

Anyone have the actual staffing numbers and budget to determine if she really cut the police force?

bmacqueens
Member

Actual facts, backed up by actual data? Bah – we are not troubled by such trifling things. For we must attack Mayor Zimmer at all costs and in all ways, so that we may resume slopping our malevolence at the trough of public funds.[quote comment=”206424″]I keep hearing the anti-Zimmer folks saying she’s cut the force and the pro-Zimmer folks say she didn’t cut it, that people just retired/were reassigned.Anyone have the actual staffing numbers and budget to determine if she really cut the police force?[/quote]

camel2
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camel2

You’ll have that nonchalant attitude until you’re a victim.

[quote comment=”206427″]Actual facts, backed up by actual data? Bah – we are not troubled by such trifling things. For we must attack Mayor Zimmer at all costs and in all ways, so that we may resume slopping our malevolence at the trough of public funds.

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bmacqueens
Member
Camel – if you’ve been around a while, you should have noticed that I’m just about the most Law-And-Order person on this entire board. Doubt me? Go look at the St. Pat’s threads. I’ve also been burgled here in Hoboken because my roommate long ago left our street door unlocked. So, yes, I speak from experience. As far as crime goes in this town, when the cops catch the perps, they are welcome to shoot them in the head and dump them in the Pine Barrens, as far as I’m concerned. But I’m sure that if we were to compare IP addresses of people who are here complaining about Zimmer’s cop policy, and cross-reference against who’s been in favor of the St. Pats parade, or supporting Russo & Co., the identities will line up. We’ve already seen that the local cops can’t much be trusted to do right – remember the SWAT incident, partying out of town on our tax dollars and letting floozies play with their rifles? Yeah, that was caught on camera – so what else hasn’t been caught on camera and subjected to the antiseptic properties of sunlight? Maybe our cops could dedicate more effort to chasing perps if they weren’t tied up with drunks and bar fights every weekend? (Answer – punish the bars where the drunks were with loss of licenses for a few months at a time – they’ll stop catering to a crowd of stupid Bennies.) Of more effective if the cops were… Read more »
Mama Luke
Member
You are a nincompoop. More cops walking the beat? there are less cops in the department then ever before. A few years back the PD reduced car patrol and had just 3 one man patrol cars on patrol and the remainder of the shift walking. The remainder of the shift meant 5 cops on foot for a square mile. The responce times were way down because those who could get there the fastest, radio cars, would get tied up with the jobs and the remaining foot patrol which was spread out through out the town took forever to get to a call. But I’m sure you are a police specialist and know all about policing and what is involved with said duties. Maybe you should get out from behind your keyboard and apply for the job of chief of police. Keep in mind that for most jobs you are required to have a unit to backup the first responder. That means two cops per call, that is a safety issue for the police. 👿 [quote comment=”206432″]Camel – if you’ve been around a while, you should have noticed that I’m just about the most Law-And-Order person on this entire board. Doubt me? Go look at the St. Pat’s threads. I’ve also been burgled here in Hoboken because my roommate long ago left our street door unlocked. So, yes, I speak from experience.As far as crime goes in this town, when the cops catch the perps, they are welcome to shoot them… Read more »
bmacqueens
Member
In the spirit of my new friendly-ship with Horse, instead of being snarky, I invite you to not say how things are, but how they can be fixed. Not enough cops – great. Let’s hire more cops. But that costs money. We need more money. But the money is being flushed down the tubes on corruption and pocket lining. Therefore, we should get rid of corruption and pocket lining. A great place to start would be to fire your friends Russo and Castellano so that reformers finally have the mayor’s office and council and can get around to fixing this dirty city. OK, so you won’t fire Russo and Castellano. What else can we do to get more money? Well, the old brownstones are paying far less in taxes than the new condos that cost the same sticker price. So – we could have a re-valuation and make the tax burden in this town more equitable. Oh – no – you won’t support that either. Well, how are the cops kept most busy? I believe that most of them are kept most busy chasing drunks down near the PATH. So – let’s cut the number of drunks near the PATH. How do we do that? We want bars to make money but we don’t want the poorly behaved drunks. The bar owner sets the tone of the bar. So – encourage bar owners to attract a better-behaved crowd. How? Asking nicely would help, but I’m sure that plenty of the… Read more »
homeworld
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I have a great idea. Stick rookies and Class I and II cops at the bars so the real cops can take care of the crime areas.[quote comment=”206432″]Camel – if you’ve been around a while, you should have noticed that I’m just about the most Law-And-Order person on this entire board. Doubt me? Go look at the St. Pat’s threads. I’ve also been burgled here in Hoboken because my roommate long ago left our street door unlocked. So, yes, I speak from experience.As far as crime goes in this town, when the cops catch the perps, they are welcome to shoot them in the head and dump them in the Pine Barrens, as far as I’m concerned.But I’m sure that if we were to compare IP addresses of people who are here complaining about Zimmer’s cop policy, and cross-reference against who’s been in favor of the St. Pats parade, or supporting Russo & Co., the identities will line up. We’ve already seen that the local cops can’t much be trusted to do right – remember the SWAT incident, partying out of town on our tax dollars and letting floozies play with their rifles? Yeah, that was caught on camera – so what else hasn’t been caught on camera and subjected to the antiseptic properties of sunlight?Maybe our cops could dedicate more effort to chasing perps if they weren’t tied up with drunks and bar fights every weekend? (Answer – punish the bars where the drunks were with loss of licenses… Read more »
truth1
Member
truth1

“Liars figure and figures lie’ – when the dust settles after this election, perhaps the administration and the council can really work [together] on public safety to the best interest of all. 💡 [quote comment=”206436”]I have a great idea. Stick rookies and Class I and II cops at the bars so the real cops can take care of the crime areas.[/quote]

4th Ward Guardian
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4th Ward Guardian

How do I know crime is up? Because I know people who are victims. Robberies, home invasions, burglaries, car break-ins and vandalism is up all over town. The ironic part is crime seems to be easing up here in the 4th ward because we have five or six cops dedicated exclusively to policing the projects. Those cops are in the HHA full-time while the rest of the city suffers from fewer police patrols than ever. That’s why crime is spiking in the 1st and 5th wards. The money is there, and the cops aren’t! Easy pickens for out-of-town criminals.

The Mayor can throw any jive numbers she wants in a press release and have her ever-dwindling group of supporters repeat it, but it doesn’t change reality.

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