Hoboken Street Collapse: Day 2

10/9/2010:

Updated photos; questions remain about safety

Hoboken411 reader Frank sent in some additional photos of what the Hoboken Street Collapse on Sinatra Drive looked like today. Click the “full screen” icon on the lower right corner of the gallery window to get larger images with more detail.

Frank said:
“I am a resident at the shipyard and took these pics this morning.

  • No one was checking the site.
  • People were allowed on a sidewalk within inches from major cracks.
  • How can we sure the buildings are safe after such a quick review on Friday ?
  • Ferry is allowed again. Could this be a contributing factor?

This raises a lot of question about the area safety.”

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20 Comments on "Hoboken Street Collapse: Day 2"

homeboken
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homeboken

I have asked the mayor, Mason and Bhalla (who lives in the Shipyard) for a copy of the report. Crickets.

Furthermore, building management was told that “No formal report will be issued.”

So, we are back to the old, trust me, the building is fine. No thanks, I wouldn’t trust Zimmer/Mason etc to run a hot dog stand.

elvisroberts
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all you trolls and cynics make it sound like this stuff is a quick fix. its not. the waterfront portion of east river park in manhattan was closed in june 2000. they are still working now to fix it. looking at these pictures it looks like the platform collapsed right at the edge of the platform that holds up the waterfront walkway. here are some likely causes 1) a construction plan that DID NOT replace the roadway portion of the whole platform that once was the Bethlehem Steel shipyard. 2) bad design 3) bad construction 4) sediment and soil washed out from beneath the slap by a) a leaky united water pipe b) a leaky N Hudson sewage authority pipe c) a storm drain from the curb that settled and separated from the system, allowing runoff to scour down and through for ten years. 5) the wakes thrown off by the ferries can cause damage too as can 6) the shipworms, which feast on wood pilings but I bet that sewer outfall next to there helps keep the population at least a little in check. if I were a resident in a nearby Building I would be calling management. If I were the City of Hoboken I would be putting my faith in the County; it’s their road and they are on the hook. If I wanted to cause trouble I would find out who insures the Shipyard and contact that company directly to make sure that THEY feel this… Read more »
homeboken
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homeboken

This is beginning to border on the absurd. Thusfar, there has been ZERO commmunication with the residents of the surrounding buildings about the strucutrual integrity of the buildings in the waterfront area. Only the city web-site has a brief blurb that the buildings have been deemed safe and that they are build on pilings drilled 50 feet into the bedroock.

Deemed safe by whome? What engineering firm did this analysis? Who is willing to put their professional reputation on risk and state these buildings are safe? The mayor? The county? Mike Barry? Who?

There are thousands of families that live in this area that are at risk. I am certain the same people stating the buildings are safe are the same ones that thought the road and walkways were safe. Look what happened there.

Mason needs to protect the resdients of her ward and get answers. The lack of communication is causing great concern for her constituents.

youme66
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youme66

Call the Mayor. She’s the one putting out press releases saying that the buildings are perfectly safe.

If you don’t believe Dawn Zimmer’s Press-Release-of-the-Day, ask her for the engineer’s official report.[quote comment=”198678″]This is beginning to border on the absurd. Thusfar, there has been ZERO commmunication with the residents of the surrounding buildings about the strucutrual integrity of the buildings in the waterfront area. Only the city web-site has a brief blurb that the buildings have been deemed safe and that they are build on pilings drilled 50 feet into the bedroock. Deemed safe by whome? What engineering firm did this analysis? Who is willing to put their professional reputation on risk and state these buildings are safe? The mayor? The county? Mike Barry? Who?There are thousands of families that live in this area that are at risk. I am certain the same people stating the buildings are safe are the same ones that thought the road and walkways were safe. Look what happened there. Mason needs to protect the resdients of her ward and get answers. The lack of communication is causing great concern for her constituents.[/quote]

homeworld
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Mason’s too busy being worried about parking garages at Stevens. [quote comment=”198724″]Call the Mayor. She’s the one putting out press releases saying that the buildings are perfectly safe. If you don’t believe Dawn Zimmer’s Press-Release-of-the-Day, ask her for the engineer’s official report.

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greentea
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greentea

This stupid city makes me ill. Any dangerous “terrain” (or subsurface conditions) can be made safe with enough engineering, which of course the politicians don’t want to hear about, since this would cost precious time and money better spent doing whatever it is they do. There doesn’t even seem to be any kind of reinforcement beneath the sidewalk slabs or any kind of connection from the slab to the concrete beams. Who the eff signed off on this design in the first place?

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