Hoboken P.O. DePascale on Budget

9/15/2010 Update:

Hoboken Cop says Mayor Zimmer a pushover

Allowing County, State to trample on the Mile Square…

Hoboken Police Officer Justin DePascale – who submitted a letter regarding the Police Layoffs last week – has sent another letter, further elaborating on the budget situation:

“To my fellow Hobokenites,

A week ago, I wrote a letter in which I spoke of a 20 million dollar budget surplus (411 note: see that letter after the jump). This letter drew some criticism on the validity of this monetary figure. With this in mind, I began a more in-depth review of the three budgets that comprise the Hoboken tax base. For those of you who do not know, the final tax bill in Hoboken is made of three tax levies combined. The City of Hoboken, County of Hudson, and the Hoboken Board of Education tax levies make up the final amount. After reviewing this information, I have come to a new conclusion. I believe the budget surplus is just below 20 million, but could have been upwards of 27.5 million dollars.

I know what the skeptics are saying, he must be crazy, but let me explain. First of all, I am not a finance major in any respect, but as a police officer I have worked as an investigator for a number of years.

In its simplest form, the City of Hoboken’s tax base has been pillaged by the County of Hudson as well as the State of New Jersey without so much as a quibble by Mayor Dawn Zimmer. Shouldn’t we fight harder for our money?

  • The Hoboken share of Hudson County taxes have been increased by approximately 6 million dollars this year to an approximate total of 45 million dollars, per year, under Mayor Zimmer. The total amount of tax increase paid to the County of Hudson for this budget year is approximately 12 million dollars, which means Hoboken alone has shouldered 50% of this total increase, unfair to say the least
  • State aid to Hoboken has been reduced by approximately 1.5 million dollars this year

First off, the readjustment made at the county level, although constitutional, has been generously allowed to occur by Mayor Zimmer without even appearing at a County Freeholder meeting.

As reported by the Jersey Journal on June 26, 2010, “It’s the annual county milking of Hoboken. Freeholders approved a budget allowing Hoboken to pay the lion’s share of the tax levy.” The paper goes on to say, “The mayor missed a chance to publicly blast the county administration at Monday’s freeholder meeting. In the past, even the older Russo and Mayor Dave Roberts showed up to take their public swipes at the county officials over the pillaging of the Mile Square City.” Why did Mayor Zimmer not try to save millions of tax payer dollars at the County Freeholder meeting?

As Mayor Zimmer so proudly stood with Governor Christie, Hoboken was relieved of approximately 1.5 million dollars in State aid as mentioned above. I am glad to see the Mayor has a good relationship with the Governor, but to appear with him at the announcement of the Governor’s plan to cap tax hikes to 2.5% is conflicting. I believe this is a conflict because, while supporting the Governor’s 2.5% initiative, the Mayor allowed the County of Hudson to raise our county share of taxes by approximately 15% without a fight.

Now the Zimmer administration is cutting the Hoboken Police Department as well as other City workers to create a fiscal diversion. This diversion has been created not out of a fiscal necessity, but a political one. The budget recently introduced by Mayor Zimmer, as she put is, “fully funded and gimmicks free,” but as I see it is full of public omissions and diversions.

In conclusion, again I state the budget surplus should be in the area of 27.5 million and should be comprised of the current 20 million and the 7.5 million that was so cavalierly allowed to be taken from the Hoboken tax base.

Thank You,

Justin Louis DePascale

SEE ORIGINAL UPDATE AFTER THE JUMP…

9/11/2010:

Hoboken Police Officer Justin DePascale sent this letter to the editor regarding the impending layoffs Mayor Dawn Zimmer is eager to execute. Keep in mind that the administration still hasn’t responded to the analysis of the police audit that the PBA submitted, where they state that the state’s information was grossly inaccurate – and puts city residents safety at risk.

Hoboken progressed because of safe streets

“To my fellow Hobokenites,

My name is Justin DePascale I am a 32 year old resident and police officer, not in jeopardy by the layoff plan. I have lived in Hoboken all of my life. I recently moved out for less than a year and collectively decided, with my wife Cara, to move back because Hoboken is the place we want to raise our son, now six months old. Throughout my life here in Hoboken I have seen so many changes, mostly for the betterment of our city. We know that Hoboken is a safe, friendly, and fun place to live, but it wasn’t always that way.

For those of you who do not know my family history my grandfather, Louis DePascale, was the 30th mayor of Hoboken. During his terms as mayor Hoboken was not the desirable urban center that it is today. As Mayor he utilized the “Model Cities” program to begin Hoboken’s transformation. His experience on the City Council, as well as holding the office of Mayor taught him that public safety was the most important component of his beloved City’s forward progression. Dilapidated buildings, empty lots, and abandoned industrial complexes were part of Hoboken’s landscape. Worst of all, crime was a major part of life in Hoboken. In 1970 during a holdup at the local liquor store, my mother was shot while standing outside getting caught in the cross fire. This occurring just a few doors down from her home on 7th and Garden Street. This same home was burglarized on three separate occasions, with many items being stolen. Today, thankfully, Hoboken is a different place to live.

How did Hoboken become one of the most desirable places to live in the country? Before banks would lend money to builders, before planners could design a model city or builders construct new neighborhoods and before thousands of young people would have made Hoboken their home, there had to be an understanding and reputation of Hoboken being a safe city. If one were to chart the correlation of the crime rate dropping to the increase in investments and population in Hoboken, you would see that as crime rates dropped, investments and population were on the rise. Here we are now, in 2010, with a population of almost 50,000 people, and an envy of cities throughout the state, with a 20 million dollar budget surplus. I believe it is incomprehensible that Mayor Zimmer would even consider making a reduction to our police force. We all know that creating and sustaining a safe city is a community effort but an effective police department is the main ingredient.

So I ask, Mayor Zimmer, please reconsider your decision to layoff 18 of our police officers. Please let Hoboken keep its reputation as one of the safest cities in our state. I know my grandfather would have been so proud of the many ways in which Hoboken has progressed. Let’s keep our city moving in a positive direction.

Thank you.
Justin L. DePascale

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26 Comments on "Hoboken P.O. DePascale on Budget"

lonnie1wsj
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lonnie1wsj

THE END IS NEAR..
As a BNR I’m kind of glad that the PD will be decreased….Of course crime will increase.
Little by little, the newcomers will run out of Hoboken…Then property values will decrease….Rents will drop…..Then we will get some bro’s from JC,UC and other towns….Yes, Hoboken will be like Hoboken was back in the 70’s……
All of you spoiled brats will have to go somewhere else to compain about smoking, name calling, etc…..Bring back the “Rough and Ready” crowd to live in Hoboken…
YOU YOUNG KNOW IT ALLS HELPED CREATE A MONSTER IN CITY HALL…..
SO START “TRYING” TO SELL THAT SHOEBOX CONDO…Make room for the Section 8 folks that will be coming to town…………….LMAO :mrgreen:

hobokenj
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hobokenj

It doesnt matter how much of a surplus there is or how incompotent Zimmer is. Even if she saved millions going to the county, and didnt give raises to her staff.

These layoffs are due to an inefficiency not money. An audit was done that found the police force is overstaffed in personell and rank. There are to many cops and to much brass. We could have all the money in the world but there is no reason we should employ anyone that is not needed in any department. While I appreciate what cops do and know they put their life on the line but that doesnt mean they have a job for life.

I have questioned on numerous threads if there is a safety issue why pt to surplus, parade the ones being fired or commercials that are skeing the facts for affect.

What is the state average of cops to citizens? 3:1000 If these layoff were making Hoboken way below the average and therfor causing a safety issue then they should be pointing to that and not a surplus. But the are not…wonder why…

Boken Pug
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Boken Pug

As others have said, why does the police department think that the surplus belongs to them? Yes, these layoffs have to do with money, but it seams more to do with the overstaffed police force. While I hate to see people lose their jobs, its the times we live in. These layoffs are offsetting the years of overspending (eg, our “swat” team”) and a top heavy structure.

I’m sure I’ll get flamed for this, but why should the PD be immune to cuts, when reports point out fat to be cut.

Rise From The Ashes
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Rise From The Ashes

The Hoboken PBA is just another loud union trying to protect its bloated rolls.

If crime has decreased over the years there are many explanations – not just police work. The demographic of the city has changed and a more law abiding demographic has taken residency.

Since crime has decreased, doesn’t make sense to reduce the force proportionately? Of course it does – YOU CAN ALWAYS REHIRE people as needed!

Maybe some of the older cops should do the right thing and retire to save the jobs of their younger brothers.

[quote comment=”197382″]As others have said, why does the police department think that the surplus belongs to them? Yes, these layoffs have to do with money, but it seams more to do with the overstaffed police force. While I hate to see people lose their jobs, its the times we live in. These layoffs are offsetting the years of overspending (eg, our “swat” team”) and a top heavy structure.I’m sure I’ll get flamed for this, but why should the PD be immune to cuts, when reports point out fat to be cut.[/quote]

bornandrazedinhobo
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bornandrazedinhobo

Wiskey, Rise is anti-cop because he either failed the entry test or physical to become one so he alleges he is a prosecutor in NYC yet cannot site any cases he has successfully prosecuted….mind you claiming all felony convictions for police corruption which is all bullshit.

NYC has very little police corruption prosecution because the majority are dealt with in house and the city refuses to let the majority go to trial. All part of the PC’s and Bloomberg’s big picture. Which is why there are so many holes in his story…..

[quote comment=”197407″]The Hoboken PBA is just another loud union trying to protect its bloated rolls.If crime has decreased over the years there are many explanations – not just police work. The demographic of the city has changed and a more law abiding demographic has taken residency. Since crime has decreased, doesn’t make sense to reduce the force proportionately? Of course it does – YOU CAN ALWAYS REHIRE people as needed!Maybe some of the older cops should do the right thing and retire to save the jobs of their younger brothers.

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Justin DePascale
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Justin DePascale

Update. I believe I have been mistaken on one point within my letter. The point I have been mistaken on is my placement of Hudson Counties tax increase dollars within my analysis. In my letter I said that these funds should have wound up within the budget surplus but in reality the funds should stay in the pockets of the tax payer. When the Hoboken tax payer gets their next bill there will be a 15% County tax rate increase within it. This $6,000,000.00 tax increase is roughly one half (1/2) of the total Hudson County 2010 tax increase, there is something wrong with this. Why has Hoboken shouldered the majority of this increase.

This post will be followed up by an update to my letter but I wanted to put this correction up while I reconfirm my thoughts.

Justin L. DePascale
[quote comment=”197424″]Wiskey, Rise is anti-cop because he either failed the entry test or physical to become one so he alleges he is a prosecutor in NYC yet cannot site any cases he has successfully prosecuted….mind you claiming all felony convictions for police corruption which is all bullshit.NYC has very little police corruption prosecution because the majority are dealt with in house and the city refuses to let the majority go to trial. All part of the PC’s and Bloomberg’s big picture. Which is why there are so many holes in his story…..

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wiskeytango1
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wiskeytango1

justin i know u since little league as well as mommie and daddy…forget it and go one day at a time…The ball game is over…in the end result the truth will surfice..be safe kid[quote comment=”197429″]Update. I believe I have been mistaken on one point within my letter. The point I have been mistaken on is my placement of Hudson Counties tax increase dollars within my analysis. In my letter I said that these funds should have wound up within the budget surplus but in reality the funds should stay in the pockets of the tax payer. When the Hoboken tax payer gets their next bill there will be a 15% County tax rate increase within it. This $6,000,000.00 tax increase is roughly one half (1/2) of the total Hudson County 2010 tax increase, there is something wrong with this. Why has Hoboken shouldered the majority of this increase.This post will be followed up by an update to my letter but I wanted to put this correction up while I reconfirm my thoughts. Justin L. DePascale

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Rise From The Ashes
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Rise From The Ashes
The entry test is designed for low brow mouth breathers..seriously have you looked at the police force they all range at 30% body fat – all pig jokes aside. NYC was a very corrupt force in the 70’s and early 80’s – remember all the scandals that occurred during the Koch admin? Believe or disbelieve what you want, if we compared pedigrees – I assure you you that I can back what I say. Are you a hoboken cop? Your tough guy talk is consistent with what I expect. Seriously, where do you patrol – I hope after 15 years in law enforcement you are more than a patrolman. wiskeytango1 – I suspect that you live in the basement of your parent’s house in Moonachie and call it an apartment. I promise you that crime has not decreased due to the diligent police work of the bloated force. Good luck on the soup line after the layoff. [quote comment=”197424″]Wiskey, Rise is anti-cop because he either failed the entry test or physical to become one so he alleges he is a prosecutor in NYC yet cannot site any cases he has successfully prosecuted….mind you claiming all felony convictions for police corruption which is all bullshit.NYC has very little police corruption prosecution because the majority are dealt with in house and the city refuses to let the majority go to trial. All part of the PC’s and Bloomberg’s big picture. Which is why there are so many holes in his story….. [/quote]
wiskeytango1
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wiskeytango1

rise you just another milk fed on the nipple fed entitled jerk that is a jerkoff..crime has decreased untill they dont hit your cardpoard condo brownstone or shipyard apt,,cut the chit tough guy…You have a problem u calll security at 9 dollars per hr with no weapon
im loving it when you get hit in the dumpster…. 😳 [quote comment=”197407″]The Hoboken PBA is just another loud union trying to protect its bloated rolls.If crime has decreased over the years there are many explanations – not just police work. The demographic of the city has changed and a more law abiding demographic has taken residency. Since crime has decreased, doesn’t make sense to reduce the force proportionately? Of course it does – YOU CAN ALWAYS REHIRE people as needed!Maybe some of the older cops should do the right thing and retire to save the jobs of their younger brothers.

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xxrjxx
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xxrjxx

Again, I appreciate Mr. DePascale’s commentary. However, he hasn’t addressed the fundamental issues. Whether the budget surplus should have been $27m versus the $20m figure tossed around isn’t relevant unless you want to put it in terms of how the budget and the taxation supporting it would be shrunk to be in balance. I’ll grant you: Zimmer’s incompetent. I hear this. I see it. But it doesn’t mean the layoffs shouldn’t take place. In fact, you could argue quite the opposite, that it would be fiscally prudent to build in more ‘cushion’ into the budget due to her and the Council’s incompetence, which might require further layoffs. My prior comments stand: The budget surplus is not an amount that should be used or referenced to avoid layoffs and reassignments from departments which have become bloated and top-heavy.

wiskeytango1
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wiskeytango1

xxrj prior to the market crash and coperate layoffs none of this mattered to you.. and gazzo?? We stupid bnrs have families that are losing their homes and are seeking assistance..The entitled ones are not the only people feeling the pinch..Selfish breast fed people with no heart. 😯 [quote comment=”197379″]Again, I appreciate Mr. DePascale’s commentary. However, he hasn’t addressed the fundamental issues. Whether the budget surplus should have been $27m versus the $20m figure tossed around isn’t relevant unless you want to put it in terms of how the budget and the taxation supporting it would be shrunk to be in balance. I’ll grant you: Zimmer’s incompetent. I hear this. I see it. But it doesn’t mean the layoffs shouldn’t take place. In fact, you could argue quite the opposite, that it would be fiscally prudent to build in more ‘cushion’ into the budget due to her and the Council’s incompetence, which might require further layoffs. My prior comments stand: The budget surplus is not an amount that should be used or referenced to avoid layoffs and reassignments from departments which have become bloated and top-heavy.[/quote]

xxrjxx
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xxrjxx
wiskey, you don’t have the right to say what did or didn’t matter to me, regardless of the timing. I pay my taxes, and likely pay more than you. I’ve been living in or around Hoboken for the last 15 years, so I think I’ve sufficiently paid my dues. My focus is on fiscal and personal responsibility, and I’m consistent in my approach. If you’re one of those that believe that I owe you or anyone else anything simply on the basis that I may earn more (and I do mean EARN, because I work hard for what I make), then you and I are not only going to disagree, but I’ll be the first person to call you out personally for being a thief. Forced redistribution of wealth that’s earned is no different from a gunman taking my wallet from me by force. Let me give you another example–when’s the last time you walked up to the homeless person and gave him or her the contents in your wallet? You didn’t I would imagine. Why not? He/she certainly earned less than you; needed it more than you. Needed your assistance. Was seeking your assistance. Why didn’t you give him/her your money??? You selfish bastard you!!! Oh, but it doesn’t apply to you because you needed your money? Whiskey, your arguments hold little credibility. And by the way, I do give, on a VOLUNTARY basis to a number of charities and am the first to give anytime anyone has a… Read more »
Justin DePascale
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Justin DePascale
Update. I believe I have been mistaken on one point within my letter. The point I have been mistaken on is my placement of Hudson County’s tax increase dollars within my analysis. In my letter I said that these funds should have wound up within the budget surplus but in reality the funds should stay in the pockets of the taxpayer. When the Hoboken taxpayer gets their next bill there will be a 15% County tax rate increase within it. This $6,000,000.00 tax increase is roughly one half (1/2) of the total Hudson County 2010 tax increase, there is something wrong with this. Why has Hoboken shouldered the majority of this increase? This post will be followed up by an update to my letter but I wanted to put this correction up while I reconfirm my thoughts. Justin L. DePascale [quote comment=”197436″]wiskey, you don’t have the right to say what did or didn’t matter to me, regardless of the timing. I pay my taxes, and likely pay more than you. I’ve been living in or around Hoboken for the last 15 years, so I think I’ve sufficiently paid my dues. My focus is on fiscal and personal responsibility, and I’m consistent in my approach. If you’re one of those that believe that I owe you or anyone else anything simply on the basis that I may earn more (and I do mean EARN, because I work hard for what I make), then you and I are not only going to… Read more »
gazzosdriver
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gazzosdriver

This has nothing to do with heart. It is about correcting a situation that has been spiraling out of control for a long time. Iit is about rightsizing the size of our local goverment and making it work more efficiently. It is about the taxpayer finally having a seat at the table. I am a guy who has had his fair share of sleepness nights in recent years. But I will not bore you with my sob story. So please spare me from yours.

I agree with prior posts regarding Zimmer’s ability. I said repeatedly that she was a best of the worst candidate. But I agree with her on the layoff decision. [quote comment=”197386″]xxrj prior to the market crash and coperate layoffs none of this mattered to you.. and gazzo?? We stupid bnrs have families that are losing their homes and are seeking assistance..The entitled ones are not the only people feeling the pinch..Selfish breast fed people with no heart. [/quote]

wiskeytango1
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wiskeytango1

gazzo station ..you are what you think..You got yours let the kids have theirs..they r protecting you..and family… 😆 [quote comment=”197387″]This has nothing to do with heart. It is about correcting a situation that has been spiraling out of control for a long time. Iit is about rightsizing the size of our local goverment and making it work more efficiently. It is about the taxpayer finally having a seat at the table. I am a guy who has had his fair share of sleepness nights in recent years. But I will not bore you with my sob story. So please spare me from yours. I agree with prior posts regarding Zimmer’s ability. I said repeatedly that she was a best of the worst candidate. But I agree with her on the layoff decision.

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whineanddineinhob
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whineanddineinhob

LMAO, What you actually mean is that you THINK this is going to save you big bucks and it’s NOT. Legal fees with this admin are going to knock you off your feet.[quote comment=”197387″]This has nothing to do with heart. It is about correcting a situation that has been spiraling out of control for a long time. Iit is about rightsizing the size of our local goverment and making it work more efficiently. It is about the taxpayer finally having a seat at the table. I am a guy who has had his fair share of sleepness nights in recent years. But I will not bore you with my sob story. So please spare me from yours. I agree with prior posts regarding Zimmer’s ability. I said repeatedly that she was a best of the worst candidate. But I agree with her on the layoff decision.

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wiskeytango1
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wiskeytango1

whine and dine. dont waste your time..these entitled ones are off spring of hippie parents flower children from the 60’s.most evaded the draft running to canada or maintaining 30 credits a semester…true americans.. Imporperly raised and spoiled to the core…You wanna live here deal with it…you will never see a tax decrease and your mayor will sefl destruct..give time time 😀 [quote comment=”197395″]LMAO, What you actually mean is that you THINK this is going to save you big bucks and it’s NOT. Legal fees with this admin are going to knock you off your feet.

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xxrjxx
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xxrjxx

By the way whiskey, I am not the son of a hippie parent–my dad started as an enlisted man in the air force, served his country honorably for over 24 years, and instilled in me the deep values of personal responsibility and personal honor. I wore patches on my clothes and wore hand me downs throughout my younger years. My parents ensured I had the tools/education necessary to make my way. So don’t go down a path where you accuse me of being improperly raised or spoiled, or of believing I’m entitled to anything OTHER THAN THE RIGHT TO RETAIN WHAT I’VE EARNED.

I was also taught to respect my elders, but damn, you make that difficult with your illogical, inconsistent, and ill considered commentary.

[quote comment=”197398″]whine and dine. dont waste your time..these entitled ones are off spring of hippie parents flower children from the 60’s.most evaded the draft running to canada or maintaining 30 credits a semester…true americans.. Imporperly raised and spoiled to the core…You wanna live here deal with it…you will never see a tax decrease and your mayor will sefl destruct..give time time [/quote]

gazzosdriver
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gazzosdriver

Justin, your letter is a desparate attempt to divert people from the real issues. Please explain how you arive at $20mm. Hoboken’s unfair share of the county tax was not caused by Dawn Zimmer. I would like to hear your opinion on the elimination of county goverment. Also interesting how you call out the mayor on this issue without mentioning Mr. Romano and his role.

Scott Siegel, please shred Justin’s argument. You are the numbers guy.

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