14-story building for north Hoboken?

1/10/2007:

Zoning board meeting tonight

Tonight Hoboken’s Zoning Board will resume it’s hearing on the proposal to replace “Park on Park” with a high-rise, multi-use building. The developer is Larry Bijou of Bijou Holdings, who also developed the two-story brick building at the corner of 14th and Park with the NYSC, and plans to convert the vacant “Coconut Building” at 14th and Garden into “Garden Street Lofts.” Bijou has earned praise for choosing to spend millions to rehab older buildings that are in character with the heart of Hoboken when other developers cash in by tearing down old buildings in order to put up entire blocks of cookie-cutter condos.

parkonpark.JPGThe developer is also known as an advocate for “Green Buildings” that minimize impact on the environment, and the proposal includes several things that qualify for that status. Because of Bijou’s efforts to convert older properties, it came as somewhat of a surprise that he was proposing to tear down “Park on Park” and replace it with a modern high-rise.

At the first ZBA meeting on the proposal it was standing room only with parents from the Elysian Charter School turning out to support the project, which would provide much needed space for their classrooms. Others who attended are concerned that allowing variances for a building this large will open the floodgates to allow larger buildings southeast of 1415 park on land owned by Toll Brothers. Toll owns the Hudson Tea building, and is developing the Skeleton Building known as the “Harborside Lofts.” Several open parking lots between 14th street and the Tea Building will be developed with condos by Toll in a manner that would step the building heights gradually down from the Tea Building to 14th Street. This would allowing the dense development to better blend into low-rise Hoboken. Some people are concerned that should the variances be granted for 1415 Park, Toll will move to raise the height of their proposed buildings, creating a high-rise city at the northern edge of Hoboken.

Unlike Toll, Bijou is offering space for a school, an underground parking garage to better utilize space and lower the building height, and more expensive green building practices. Still, there is opposition to the height variances Bijou is proposing from people in the community who don’t want to be “boxed in.” Bijou also doesn’t have the pull with Mayor David Roberts that large campaign contributors like Ursa/Tarragon, Applied, and Fields have. If any of those well connected developers applied for these variances they would very likely be granted by the Roberts regime regardless of public opinion.

The meeting begins at 7pm in the lower level meeting room at city hall. Enter downstairs at Newark Street.

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[quote comment=”19641″]Loading dock — could be built btwn Park on Park and the new HTB ramp. Pick up — this school will largely be HTB, Maxwell, Shipyard, etc. These kids are going to walk, not drive. You wanna drive your kid to school? Move to Morristown. Public parking? There’s going to be zillions of spaces possible just across Willow, as well as perhaps between the bridges? Or where the horsies used to eat, north of 15th Street? Monthly parking? Pay to park in HTB’s new ramp — about $200/230 per month. Park/green on bldg? Great. The kids will have somewhere to play with no chance of dog poop. A new school in town, especially with no ties to the public system, is desperately needed. I WANT that school to open so that I don’t have to leave town. The clock is ticking. I have 4.5 years left before I gotta bail out on HOB, b/c there’s no way my baby is going to the public system and I doubt there will be space in the currently existing private/charter schools.[/quote] Actually…the issue is that they are not going to build a loading dock…so 18 wheelers will sit on the street and unload..mostly at night when people near by will be sleeping… drop off…very short sighted to think that everyone will be walking to this school from next door…becuase a charter has to take an even group of the populus there will be drop offs…but they are not building a drop off… Read more »
bmacqueens
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Loading dock — could be built btwn Park on Park and the new HTB ramp.

Pick up — this school will largely be HTB, Maxwell, Shipyard, etc. These kids are going to walk, not drive. You wanna drive your kid to school? Move to Morristown.

Public parking? There’s going to be zillions of spaces possible just across Willow, as well as perhaps between the bridges? Or where the horsies used to eat, north of 15th Street?

Monthly parking? Pay to park in HTB’s new ramp — about $200/230 per month.

Park/green on bldg? Great. The kids will have somewhere to play with no chance of dog poop.

A new school in town, especially with no ties to the public system, is desperately needed. I WANT that school to open so that I don’t have to leave town. The clock is ticking. I have 4.5 years left before I gotta bail out on HOB, b/c there’s no way my baby is going to the public system and I doubt there will be space in the currently existing private/charter schools.

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ok…can we please revisit this one…I was just talking to someone in the industry and it seems that this project has gotten the green-light from the city?!

I went to the town counsel meeting where pretty much all of the major issues were glossed over..

This giant building (think that it will be as tall as the old white factory ‘harborside lofts’) and it will take the entire city block. There has not been enough thought to the logistics:

There is no loading dock for the retail
There is no pick up/Drop off spot for the school
There is less than 100 parking spaces for the public
There is not a city bus route that would service the building directly so people would be forced to overcrowd the stops on 14th/Park st
There is no monthly parking available (for the displaced hundreds that are currently in 1415 Park)
The park/green areas will be on 4th floor or so and will not be open to the public
Oh not to mention that we still only have 4 ways in/out of town for all of these new residents.

I am as selfserving as the next guy and the fact that I will lose my monthly parking spot, lose any view of the sky becuase the building will be so big and will have a higher cooling bill becuase of the light reflected off the building pisses me off….

but what also pisses me off is that there is little that i know of to do about it….

any thoughts?

JMGSFC
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this gotta stop as far as building after building – the older Generation dies off and their home of one family is a home of Six families and Grandfather rule of No
Parking applies. We cannot keep up with this, better
school or not. Vote these people out, get who you want, perhaps all that vanishing money can be stopped, there
are honorable contractors who build sound homes but this is the limited few, and the city has allowed this to hapen.
The zoning Board;cannot even touch that one, red hot.

Who is going to get things turned around/most think it is too late, as charm IS gone, but who voted these people in the first time, or should I say, who voted at all?
If the people who complaindid vote, then the homework was not done properly. The waste for government fliers at election time is herrendous, yes?

Hoboken needs change beforeit is too late, how to do that one?

westy
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So what I heard is ……The Roberts crew complain because Mr. Roberts played Let’s Make a Deal at election time and in return for some canidates to drop out and endorse his ticket he gave them seats on the Zoning Board. They turned around and threw his guy out of being chairman and now in control of the board,the developers have to deal with someone other than the mayor to get variances to increase their profits.

The profits mean more money for political contibutions but now the question is who gets them. 👿

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