Residential parking permit questions

3/30/2010:

Only two days left!

Just a quick reminder for those that have been too busy (or traveling) – that the city begins enforcement of the residential parking permits on April 1st.

3/24/2010 Update:

To further the debate about the Hoboken residential parking permit process – another anonymous reader makes some gripes in a (very long) letter to the editor.

While a good number of commenters here focused on the “insurance fraud” aspect of the story, several other 411 readers emailed in, essentially asking the same question: “Is it the city’s business how you register or insure your car – as long as you can prove actual residency in Hoboken?”

More complicated Hoboken parking permit complaints

“I’m writing because I certainly have A LOT (sorry!) to add to the parking permit renewal process article. In terms of what’s already been stated, I most certainly agree with other members who said that it could be an electronic process. More specifically I wanted to share a story about what I’ve been going through with the Hoboken Parking Utility (HPU) to ensure I can renew my permit.

I’m a Hoboken resident who recently changed her address. The new one is updated (with stickers) on my license and registration. I get mail from the government and my bank here at my new address. I pay bills related to this address. This being said I would think would make me “a resident”. Well my insurance card has my parents address on it because, while I myself live in Hoboken, my physical automobile probably spends more time in their driveway. This is because I no longer drive to work. I do need my car for certain personal matters though (and actually find it weird that people on message boards constantly question others rights/desires to own and park their cars in this town based on need….if you’re a resident of any town you should be afforded the right to park your car there.) and do park in Hoboken more than a casual visitor who doesn’t live here. All of this in no way affects my residency however.

What I was told is that in order for my permit to be renewed I need my address on the license and registration permanently, meaning no stickers allowed. To do this I would have to bring my insurance card with my Hoboken address to the DMV, requiring me to change the address on my insurance policy.

My first question was along the lines of “I can prove that I’m a resident. I’m not trying to find a loophole. I have many documents proving it. Clearly it’s possible for me to reside somewhere as a resident while housing my car over 50% of the time at a different (out of town) address. If I can prove that I’m a resident that should be the end of the story, right?”

READ THE REST OF THEIR LETTER AFTER THE JUMP!

(Residential Parking Permits, continued…)

“I was told that (1) parking here is a privilege ……. and then, and this was the MAIN FOCUS of their reply (2) why should someone get to pay less money on their insurance by parking somewhere else when most other people have to pay more for insurance to keep their car here? The people who pay more for insurance earned the right to get their permits and park here.

I said “but this is a permit for residents and I am one. How does where I park my car affect my residency? I’m not asking for a guaranteed spot but as a resident I think I deserve to park on the “resident” side of the street and not be treated as a visitor when I do have my car here.”

I asked “Ok, so the ONLY way to get my permit renewed is by changing my address with my insurance company. Well, if I change my address with my insurance company but still keep the car out of town over 50% of the time it seems like I’d be falsifying information and committing insurance fraud. Doesn’t my insurance company care where the car is housed, not where I live?” They told me no. They then said I’m committing insurance fraud the way it is now. I find this strange.

So…..I just called my insurance company and they said that I’m doing things properly and that whoever told me that has no idea what they’re talking about. I laughed because it’s Hoboken and of course they have no idea what they’re talking about. They (Hoboken employee) likely have no more than a high school edumacation and got their job out of nepotism or friendship.

Well each time I asked about this subject from a different angle I was given some form of the same answer. From the town’s perspective, it DOES NOT MATTER if YOU are a resident. THIS IS NOT A PERMIT FOR SIMPLY BEING A RESIDENT. You MUST insure your car based on IT being parked/housed in Hoboken.

Now, the Hoboken parking policy states that individuals must “demonstrate that they are fully established as permanently residing in Hoboken, and that they are either the owner or primary user of the vehicle they drive” Well according to this requirement I fit the bill. NOTHING is said of where you house your car, as well there shouldn’t.

These HPU employees and their bosses are forcing me to pay much more for insurance (in which case I would certainly keep my car parked here all the time even though it’s much safer at my parents than on these streets…..see articles about flipped over cars and recent thefts, lol) or give up my permit and be treated as a visitor when I bring my car here.

Shame on these people for being so boxed in and not being more logical to help out a resident. They are unwilling to see my situation for what it is and help. Rather they vigorously defend their position with illogical and possibly law-breaking rationale.

(Now this is where I stray from the prior topic a bit.) These same people who enforce these rules with no regard for common sense and will not waiver are also part of the same department and government that ROUTINELY looks the other way when people with fire department or police placards are parked in fire zones, too close to the stop sign, or committing other myriad infractions. We all see these cars. We’re all aware of the unwritten rules that are in play. Otherwise why would there be a need for placards and PBA cards!? My situation is that much more troubling knowing that when certain individuals BREAK THE LAW a blind eye is turned, yet when a logical situation presents itself nobody is willing to acknowledge it and help.

This is also the same incompetent government that can’t for the life of them figure out how to keep cars parked far enough away from the intersections to create clear sight lines for drivers. I guess keeping my car out of town is a start!

And this is where my blood definitely gets boiling. See it gets worse when all of this is combined with the obvious fact that MANY government employees in Hoboken have been arrested for corruption, bribery, stealing money from parking meters ….… and of course the very impressive list compiled by Mr. Stealing Funds – Mr. Mardi Gras – Mr. Tampa International Airport Disturber – Mr. Getting Paid To Sit On My Law Breaking Butt – Mr. Discrimination.

In this town it is way too easy for those on the city payroll to skirt the law, and it’s way too hard for honest citizens to be treated with sincerity and an open mind. If they are going to be inflexible I feel that we should hold them to the same standard. Next time you see laws being selectively enforced, take pictures or write letters and post them. Hopefully someone with enough clout and honesty will take them seriously.

It’s small changes that set the tone for larger ones to be made. Until those happen, this city with so much potential will continue to be mired in something less than mediocrity. Yes….all of this from a parking dilemma!”

3/23/2010:

Parking rules can be restrictive to actual residents

Hoboken resident (and taxpayer) “Peter” is fortunate enough to own properties in multiple states – however, Hoboken is by far his primary place of residence.

He feels the rules for a Hoboken residential parking permit are unfair, and the tens of thousands of dollars he contributes to the city coffers each year should at the very least allow him to acquire a “Residential Parking Sticker” (which you really should renew by March 31st – FYI).

But after proving to the city that he’s indeed full-time resident here, they still find ways to shut him out.

What are your thoughts?

Why should Hoboken care where I register my car?

He sent the following to Hoboken Parking Czar Ian Sacs:

“I’m trying to understand the new and insulting parking ordinance. I’ve been in Hoboken for 14 years. I’ve owned for 8. I’ve paid taxes and likely overpaying at that and now it comes as no surprise that this city run by incompetence has decided to update the parking to ordinance to unfairly penalize taxpaying residents.

I have NJ license with a Hoboken address. My car is registered at a different address for reasons that are economical and I don’t care to explain them to whomever is reading this.

What is the reason for this? This is great town attracting many people who pay taxes, solicit business and tolerate utter incompetence and fraud. Is this another example of that??

What can I do to appeal this?”

Sacs responded saying that there’s a “parking shortage,” and he’s not convinced he’s a real resident because his car is registered in another state – and suggested a temporary permit instead.

Peter continues, by adding:

“Thanks for the info, Ian – but there must be some resolution.

I’m a resident, I own a weekend home in ny state where my car is registered and honestly its for economic reasons. The home is a 100 miles away and I’m clearly not commuting into the city for work. I’m paying taxes. My wife is a local school teacher and pays taxes. I have been here for 14 years and have a hoboken license with my hoboken address. The car is registered in my name.

At times my wife parks on the street for work. We have a garage so we’re typically not on the street but to run local errands, go to the gym, etc.. and chance the risk of getting booted is a little insulting to a true resident. I can prove my residency a few dozen ways. (I’m the president of my condo board and all utilities are in my name, etc.)

I understand the parking shortage but please do not penalize a true resident.”

Sacs responds again, saying that he doesn’t dispute Peter’s residency status, but registering in the same state would prove that he is the primary user of the vehicle.

Questions:

  • Do you think this stipulation in the parking ordinance is good enough?
  • Have you seen any abuses of other parking rules? (i.e., temporary permits, Stevens students, business permits, etc.)
  • Should exceptions be made, such as in Peter’s instance – where he can prove he’s a full-time resident?
  • Should Peter just leave it alone, because he may in fact be committing some kind of insurance no-no?
  • Do you hate that you can’t purchase insurance (auto, health, etc.) across state lines?

RELATED STORY: What’s the deal with out of state plates & resident stickers?

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209 Comments on "Residential parking permit questions"

getz76
Member
getz76

But matt_72, he has reiderated (sic) it over and over again. It must be true.

This is the guy that questioned this collectives education.

I call b$, anyway. No way he received a permit (unless he bribed someone).

getz76
Member
getz76

The most amazing part of this thread is the fact that one d-bag can bring people together to actually SUPPORT the Hoboken Parking Authority. What kind of tool does it take to do such a thing? Quite an achievement.

homeworld
Member

He’s actually Ian Sacs trolling us.

In response to getz76 who said:
The most amazing part of this thread is the fact that one d-bag can bring people together to actually SUPPORT the Hoboken Parking Authority. What kind of tool does it take to do such a thing? Quite an achievement.

getz76
Member
getz76

Hahaha! If it is Ian Sacs, he is the smartest person in City Hall. Sacs for Mayor!

In response to homeworld who said:
He’s actually Ian Sacs trolling us.

KenOn10
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KenOn10

plus, you gotta love the hysterical user ID. Sorry dude, no matter what you call yourself, you are NOT a resident!

In response to getz76 who said:
The most amazing part of this thread is the fact that one d-bag can bring people together to actually SUPPORT the Hoboken Parking Authority. What kind of tool does it take to do such a thing? Quite an achievement.

HobokenResident23
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HobokenResident23

Guess what everyone, got myself a parking permit. Still will work with the City to change this rule that discriminates against residents.

Persistance works, thats all I can say. Finally they saw the truth, guess what they see my argument and think its an unfair practice.

Have a nice day.

In response to KenOn10 who said:
plus, you gotta love the hysterical user ID. Sorry dude, no matter what you call yourself, you are NOT a resident!

Stpaddygirl
Member

I never had to show my insurance card (forgot it actually) just my license and registration since my car is a lease it doesn’t have my Hoboken address either got my permit on the first shot.

In response to HobokenResident23 who said:
Guess what everyone, got myself a parking permit. Still will work with the City to change this rule that discriminates against residents.

Persistance works, thats all I can say. Finally they saw the truth, guess what they see my argument and think its an unfair practice.

Have a nice day.

matt_72
Member

Yeah – his complete inability or lack of effort on getting a legit Hoboken registration card tells me at best he is a landlord w/ office in town & not at all a resident. Only a non-resident would spend a couple weeks or so complaining about this instead of the 2 minutes necessary to fill out an online form & completely resolve this situation.

In response to KenOn10 who said:
plus, you gotta love the hysterical user ID. Sorry dude, no matter what you call yourself, you are NOT a resident!

rag246
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rag246

I pay Federal Taxes, and Federal money is propping up the mortgage market, so technically I should be able to live in the home of anyone not paid up on their mortgage, presumably HobonkenResident23 included.

I’ll be over this weekend, and I like Old Speckled Hen.

Alternatively, change the primary address on your insurance, officially move to NJ, and stop whining.

HobokenResident23
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HobokenResident23

The taxpayer money is going to bail out people that should never have been approved for a mortgage. $0 down, no income verification.

I workhard and pay for my mortgage just fine. They verified my income, its the governemnt that forced banks to be fair lenders which got them into this mess.

Finally, my insurance card and licence has a NJ address. Your point is?

In response to rag246 who said:
I pay Federal Taxes, and Federal money is propping up the mortgage market, so technically I should be able to live in the home of anyone not paid up on their mortgage, presumably HobonkenResident23 included.

I’ll be over this weekend, and I like Old Speckled Hen.

Alternatively, change the primary address on your insurance, officially move to NJ, and stop whining.

rag246
Member
rag246

I meant Hoboken address. Congrats on your new permit, though you are still committing insurance fraud and I hope they catch you on it.

And only $7,000 in taxes? Unless you own a 750SF one bedroom, you are already getting over on the rest of Hoboken who pays a larger share.

I guess with some people there are no limits to their sense of entitlement.

In response to HobokenResident23 who said:
The taxpayer money is going to bail out people that should never have been approved for a mortgage. $0 down, no income verification.

I workhard and pay for my mortgage just fine. They verified my income, its the governemnt that forced banks to be fair lenders which got them into this mess.

Finally, my insurance card and licence has a NJ address. Your point is?

HobokenResident23
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HobokenResident23
No insurance fraud here, just was able to prove my residency just like I would at the DMV for both residencies. My taxes were about 9.5, but appealed my taxes and got them down recently. I am sorry you have to pay more, but does not make any tax payer less of a resident. If you have not already, appeal your taxes in court. I honestly have no sense of entitlement, the people that have a sense of entitlement are people that think they can steal other peoples taxes and take a subsidy. Everyone needs to work hard to get what they deserve. If you are against entitlement, I fully support what you have to say, but please don’t misunderstand what I am saying. I only think I deserve what I pay for and work hard for. Thats life, here should be no freebies. Over this whole thing I think believe the best way to go about this is rebate the subsidy and allow all residents that can prove ther residency by at the same rate over $100. Make it fair for everyone and have no entitlement for anyone. To reiderate, I support the the idea of stopping non-residents from getting passes. I DO NOT support the act of discrimination against any types of residents though. Have a great day everyone. In response to rag246 who said: I meant Hoboken address. Congrats on your new permit, though you are still committing insurance fraud and I hope they catch you on… Read more »
KenOn10
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KenOn10
“…the people that have a sense of entitlement are people that think they can steal other peoples taxes and take a subsidy…” So you’re against entitlements. Would that include the honkin’ big mortgage interest deduction on your tax return? Or are you just against entitlements that don’t apply to you? Congrats on being a squeaky wheel and have fun spending all the money you’ve saved on insurance, you sure pulled a fast one. In response to HobokenResident23 who said: No insurance fraud here, just was able to prove my residency just like I would at the DMV for both residencies. My taxes were about 9.5, but appealed my taxes and got them down recently. I am sorry you have to pay more, but does not make any tax payer less of a resident. If you have not already, appeal your taxes in court. I honestly have no sense of entitlement, the people that have a sense of entitlement are people that think they can steal other peoples taxes and take a subsidy. Everyone needs to work hard to get what they deserve. If you are against entitlement, I fully support what you have to say, but please don’t misunderstand what I am saying. I only think I deserve what I pay for and work hard for. Thats life, here should be no freebies. Over this whole thing I think believe the best way to go about this is rebate the subsidy and allow all residents that can prove ther residency… Read more »
matt_72
Member

The man doesn’t even know what the word subsidy means. Pretty darn funny in my book.

In response to KenOn10 who said:
“…the people that have a sense of entitlement are people that think they can steal other peoples taxes and take a subsidy…”

So you’re against entitlements. Would that include the honkin’ big mortgage interest deduction on your tax return? Or are you just against entitlements that don’t apply to you?

Congrats on being a squeaky wheel and have fun spending all the money you’ve saved on insurance, you sure pulled a fast one.

getz76
Member
getz76

Karma’s a bitch…

In response to KenOn10 who said:
“…the people that have a sense of entitlement are people that think they can steal other peoples taxes and take a subsidy…”

So you’re against entitlements. Would that include the honkin’ big mortgage interest deduction on your tax return? Or are you just against entitlements that don’t apply to you?

Congrats on being a squeaky wheel and have fun spending all the money you’ve saved on insurance, you sure pulled a fast one.

HansBrix
Member
HansBrix

I still don’t get why a particular person must have a parking permit. In my 18 years of living here I’ve ALWAYS had a off-street spot. The convenience of having a place to put the car no matter when I return, and the money I save from not repairing the inevitable battle damage associated with street parking makes up for the cost.

I have a sticker now only for convenience, and because I can. But it’s seldom used and I could go easily for years without and not think much of it.

Then again I’m not crippled by debilitating laziness that prevents many from being able to walk more than eight blocks.

Stpaddygirl
Member

The HPU guys got new hats guess all the mystery ticket money was put to good use…PS this thread is hysterical 🙂

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