Does Hoboken need a hospital?

3/23/2010:

HUMC low ranked; do we really need it?

Hoboken resident Frank G. asks a simple question today, and that’s “Does Hoboken still need a hospital?”

He goes on to reference how low Hoboken University Medical Center was ranked in comparison to Liberty Health – Jersey City Medical Center, citing that JCMC was near the top 10 in every category, but Hoboken only barely made the list half of the time.

Could we get away with using other area hospitals instead?

20 Responses

  1. Derrida says:

    Hoboken’s hospital has always been there is times of need for my family and friends, whether it was for emergency care, maternity or long-term treatment. St Mary’s or HUMC has provided first rate care and guidance whenever we were in need.

    As Hoboken continues to grow with the endless rise of housing developments, more and more people will be crowding into town. To have a hospital (with top notch affiliated MDs) and an emergency room right here — just a walk away — is a rare benefit, indeed.

    It would be nice to see a post about the many MDs, RNs and staff who are “honest good-willed Hoboken residents” just like the folks you applaud in your recent post about Schnackenberg’s Luncheonette.

    Hoboken needs its hospital more than ever and HUMC continues to provide incredible services to the citizens of Hoboken.

    • Franklin says:

      You must be kidding me! I wish I could reply that it was a good facility and i needed in a city as large as Hoboken. But, the care received there (and care is not the right word for the place) is HORRIBLE. I have been misdiagnosed when the assistant told me what I suspected was wrong (within two seconds of seeing the XRAYS!!!!) at the next doctor I saw. Many friends have gone there and have had similar (actually worse) issues. Everyone I know says that in case their kids get hurt (or they do), take them to another hospital. This place is just sucking away our money. Surely there are some good people there but that’s no reason for saving an utter disgrace of a hospital. That being said, with Obamacare, this option might not look so bad in a few years….

      In response to Derrida who said:

      Hoboken’s hospital has always been there is times of need for my family and friends, whether it was for emergency care, maternity or long-term treatment. St Mary’s or HUMC has provided first rate care and guidance whenever we were in need.

      As Hoboken continues to grow with the endless rise of housing developments, more and more people will be crowding into town. To have a hospital (with top notch affiliated MDs) and an emergency room right here — just a walk away — is a rare benefit, indeed.

      It would be nice to see a post about the many MDs, RNs and staff who are “honest good-willed Hoboken residents” just like the folks you applaud in your recent post about Schnackenberg’s Luncheonette.

      Hoboken needs its hospital more than ever and HUMC continues to provide incredible services to the citizens of Hoboken.

      • Derrida says:

        Actually, the successful passage of our President’s Health Care Reform Bill will assist in alleviating the financial strain that local hospitals like HUMC suffer from. As newly-insured patients begin to transition to PCPs rather than emergency rooms, hospitals will be able to allocate considerable resources toward other areas.

        “Obamacare” as you revealingly put it, will actually assist HUMC and other similarly situated hospitals in their efforts to survive and flourish.

        Alot of those who show animosity toward HUMC seem simply to wish failure upon a Roberts administration idea that seems to have the support of Mayor Zimmer.

        In response to Franklin who said:

        You must be kidding me! I wish I could reply that it was a good facility and i needed in a city as large as Hoboken. But, the care received there (and care is not the right word for the place) is HORRIBLE. I have been misdiagnosed when the assistant told me what I suspected was wrong (within two seconds of seeing the XRAYS!!!!) at the next doctor I saw. Many friends have gone there and have had similar (actually worse) issues. Everyone I know says that in case their kids get hurt (or they do), take them to another hospital. This place is just sucking away our money. Surely there are some good people there but that’s no reason for saving an utter disgrace of a hospital. That being said, with Obamacare, this option might not look so bad in a few years….

    • BarbaraR56 says:

      Yes it has been there in times of need for my family as well, my son was born there too. JMO but with the taxes and present economic situation in Hoboken I think people will leave and go to another city/state. The need for it may not be as important as it once was. Unions voted to give back percentages of their salaries, they unfortunately think they will get this money back with the new contract, I don’t see that happening, but I guess giving back is better than no job or benefits. I have to agree the plan to close it seems inevitable within the next year or two. Unless the politicos can pull a rabbit out of a hat, Governor Christie may revoke some or all of the aid given to HUMC next year. This is like a soap.

      In response to Derrida who said:

      Hoboken’s hospital has always been there is times of need for my family and friends, whether it was for emergency care, maternity or long-term treatment. St Mary’s or HUMC has provided first rate care and guidance whenever we were in need.

      As Hoboken continues to grow with the endless rise of housing developments, more and more people will be crowding into town. To have a hospital (with top notch affiliated MDs) and an emergency room right here — just a walk away — is a rare benefit, indeed.

      It would be nice to see a post about the many MDs, RNs and staff who are “honest good-willed Hoboken residents” just like the folks you applaud in your recent post about Schnackenberg’s Luncheonette.

      Hoboken needs its hospital more than ever and HUMC continues to provide incredible services to the citizens of Hoboken.

      • wiskeytango1 says:

        bar56 .In case of cardiac arrest or a severed artery,every minute
        counts..Brain without oxygen maybe 5 to 6 minutes..first response
        gets to SM in three minutes…Of course with Cancer etc we go to specialist hosptials ..SM does not have a heart team which is Ludacris…What is hurting the Hospital is the fact people on welfare rack up heavy tabs..That hurt Med Center.Another is closing in NYC. Don’t let DA Bamma fool us into socialised medicine.If you need a certain test,theres a waiting period.Mean
        while call mc knight at fialias to cover both ends:(

        In response to BarbaraR56 who said:

        Yes it has been there in times of need for my family as well, my son was born there too. JMO but with the taxes and present economic situation in Hoboken I think people will leave and go to another city/state. The need for it may not be as important as it once was. Unions voted to give back percentages of their salaries, they unfortunately think they will get this money back with the new contract, I don’t see that happening, but I guess giving back is better than no job or benefits. I have to agree the plan to close it seems inevitable within the next year or two. Unless the politicos can pull a rabbit out of a hat, Governor Christie may revoke some or all of the aid given to HUMC next year. This is like a soap.

  2. mcspacebar says:

    I have been predicting for years that the hospital will close except for the Brand spankin new emergency room.That will remain and the rest will be converted to apartments/condos, or be torn down all together to make way for a new building.
    i feel this has been the long range plan for a long time, regardless of what the politicos say in public.

  3. jc5201 says:

    The question is not if we need it, it is how can we get rid of it with out taking a crippling loss? There’s no way the city can flip the property and making a killing, as all candidates for mayor said during the last election.

    • matt_72 says:

      We are going to take a loss, best to take it sooner rather than later after they burn through more cash.

      In response to jc5201 who said:

      The question is not if we need it, it is how can we get rid of it with out taking a crippling loss? There’s no way the city can flip the property and making a killing, as all candidates for mayor said during the last election.

      • jc5201 says:

        Waiting until after it happens is not leadership. Now is the time to plan for the ending. Governors usually don’t joke when they talk about pulling funding. Our leaders should already be prepared for the inevitable, with an action plan on how to minimize the damage.

        In response to matt_72 who said:

        We are going to take a loss, best to take it sooner rather than later after they burn through more cash.

      • matt_72 says:

        You don’t get it, I want it shut down ASAP. I’ve said all along we are going to take a beating. I have been very consistant in saying there is no way in hell those bonds are fully covered. This pig needs to be slaughtered. There is no avoiding it. Only thing you can do is shut it down fast before they go further and further in the red. I have seen nothing to indicate the hospital will ever be profitable to breakeven. Not even Obamacare will save it b/c Medicare & Medicaid do not cover treatment costs so it will lose money even if 100% of the patients were covered by these 2 programs.

        In response to jc5201 who said:

        Waiting until after it happens is not leadership. Now is the time to plan for the ending. Governors usually don’t joke when they talk about pulling funding. Our leaders should already be prepared for the inevitable, with an action plan on how to minimize the damage.

      • KenOn10 says:

        Okay, help me out here. We have “leaders”? Who?

        Does “hoping everything gets delayed till after my re-election” count as an action plan?

        In response to jc5201 who said:

        Waiting until after it happens is not leadership. Now is the time to plan for the ending. Governors usually don’t joke when they talk about pulling funding. Our leaders should already be prepared for the inevitable, with an action plan on how to minimize the damage.

  4. KenOn10 says:

    well, we do need the hospital to generate non-essential patronage jobs for heavily connected insiders. you want to throw those poor people out into the street? that’s just cruel.

  5. Sam Mitchell says:

    if they decide to shut it, there’s certainly 1 way to make it a profit center:
    turn it into a casino

    • wiskeytango1 says:

      sam that was as funny as a rubber crutch..A pricless post..In the event you have the misfortune of getting a seizure or heart attack ,ems can put you on the rollette wheel and spin you on the black or red.if red you dead..good idea to make a profit..lmao

      In response to Sam Mitchell who said:

      if they decide to shut it, there’s certainly 1 way to make it a profit center:
      turn it into a casino

  6. nacholibre says:

    HUMC, you drew first blood!

  7. midtownauthentic says:

    Let’s take out the cafeteria and put in a Trader Joes. Everyone wins!!

  8. plywood says:

    As mentioned above, in life-or-death situations, every minute counts which is why the emergency room is a great idea to save lives. However the indigent care makes this unsustainable. For non-extremely time sensitive emergencies most people already truck up to Hackensack. It’s time to close – if for some odd reason a way is figured out to make the numbers work, then the first step is to get a hard-nose expediter on the floor to get the lead out, as most posters here are aware. Why isn’t current management solving this basic problem?

    • wiskeytango1 says:

      plywood i agree but hackensack is 14 miles away..you would be doa
      by that time..Midtown your post was as funny as diarrhea in a space suit without a change of undies..Hackensack vally and holy name have special care and heart teams..Hoboken cannot lure a team here..wonder why..But if you me or a family member was dying
      every minute counts..the city state country is going belly up and yet the usa sends spends billions in iraq afgan and we lose 30 kids a week in a chit ass war..vote obama again

      In response to plywood who said:

      As mentioned above, in life-or-death situations, every minute counts which is why the emergency room is a great idea to save lives. However the indigent care makes this unsustainable. For non-extremely time sensitive emergencies most people already truck up to Hackensack. It’s time to close – if for some odd reason a way is figured out to make the numbers work, then the first step is to get a hard-nose expediter on the floor to get the lead out, as most posters here are aware. Why isn’t current management solving this basic problem?

      • BarbaraR56 says:

        ITA! I would vote Obama again as well. As a TWO time cancer survivor who has taken treatments with people of means and children not too mention charity care patients I know all too well the fear. Try telling the elderly or a parent that they cannot be treated or tested when this diagnosis is given.I have top of the line coverage (we have paid copayments for years) and still had to wait 4 weeks for an appointment at a very reputable facility. Money enables you to get better healthcare at better facilities but does assure a patient of survival. So if my physicians have to adjust their rates, so be it, if my small contribution can save another patient, I’m happy to do it. I consider myself lucky I have seen both sides, job loss, (both mine and my husband) numerous treatments, drugs, and surgeries, I have learned to appreciate what I do have, which is my life, and not waste time on worrying why I had to use our lifesavings for medical reasons and not enjoyment. I’M ALIVE!
        Life is not wishing, hoping,expecting it’s about the choices you have made, the ones you are about to make, and the words you choose today. Laugh, love, live. Too much money goes into funding war, politicians, etc. so if corporate has to give back their percs, their jets, or any other perc, so what, renew your spirituality and have faith in yourself and try to help those in need.

        In response to wiskeytango1 who said:

        plywood i agree but hackensack is 14 miles away..you would be doa
        by that time..Midtown your post was as funny as diarrhea in a space suit without a change of undies..Hackensack vally and holy name have special care and heart teams..Hoboken cannot lure a team here..wonder why..But if you me or a family member was dying
        every minute counts..the city state country is going belly up and yet the usa sends spends billions in iraq afgan and we lose 30 kids a week in a chit ass war..vote obama again

  9. Margaret says:

    I am a clinic patient there and pay with my medicare card and
    twenty percent cash, AND copays! Many new babies are being born there, and the Emergency room is state of the art.

    Some of Obama’s health care $ should be going toward the HUMC…
    We need that Hospital here, not only for the unhealthy and elderly but also for the nurses, training, orderlies, Doctors,
    cleaning personnel, etc. It employs people and with the unemployment rate high we need it here for that also…

    I have no car, how do I get to HACKENSACK to see a Doctor?
    Three buses? Are you kidding? The Hospital is here for HOBOKEN and when the census comes back it will be even more necessary…

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