Hoboken in Top 101 Worst NJ Cities

2/17/2010:

Hoboken falls 257 places in one year

Hoboken411 reader JC5201 pointed out that Hoboken was recently ranked number 476 out of New Jersey’s 566 municipalities by NJ Monthly Magazine.

The testing criteria was as follows:
“In compiling New Jersey Monthly’s 2010 Top Towns list, researchers at Monmouth University’s Polling Institute considered eight categories best representing the quality of life in New Jersey’s 566 municipalities: population growth, home values, property taxes, land development, employment, crime rate, school performance, and proximity to services.

The research team selected a prototypical indicator corresponding, respectively, to each of these eight categories: population growth rate since the last census (2008); three-year change in median home prices (2009); median property tax bill (2009) combined with the change in median taxes over the past two years; percentage of land preserved as open space (2009); unemployment rate (2008); total crime rate (2008); student proficiency on state-mandated standardized tests for students in grades 4, 8, and 11 (2008); and number of acute-care hospitals within ten miles.

To level the playing field, household income was not considered, and home values were measured by the rate of increase or decrease over three years rather than by current prices. To compare land development, towns with relatively slower growth and more open space were rated more favorably. Towns with lower unemployment and crime rates also scored higher, as did those close to more hospitals.

A statistical standardization technique was used to rank all 566 municipalities according to the eight indicators; an average of the eight numerical values for each municipality determined its final rank.”

You can pretty much blame this horrid ranking on guess what?
SHODDY GOVERNMENT!

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22 Comments on "Hoboken in Top 101 Worst NJ Cities"

MidnightRacer
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Sure, just about every poll has bias, human error, or outright manipulation. But I think certain categories have value, and people who are serious about moving, do their own due diligence – using polls as starting point.

Someone who values land preservation would choose Morris over Essex. If you are looking to avoid towns that continually raise property taxes, you could find the numbers for yourself. How about how median home prices over the last 3, 5, 10 years? Judging public schools on their and student performance from early prep to high school to college prep? Do you think fiscal performance of a municipality has value?

I don’t think you can disregard the categories chosen. Perhaps the methodology of data taken, but not the overall concept of placing value on a town. In the end, each person has their own list, categories, etc.

MidnightRacer
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I think people aren’t reading the article. They seem to be thinking this ranking is based upon popularity alone, when in fact 8 criteria are included ranging from how the municipalities are managed which then affect taxes, schools, home values, land preservation and overall quality of life.

No doubt about it, Hoboken is a cool place to live for the obvious reasons. But the list doesn’t include cool as a criteria.

I like Maplewood and South Orange, but look how they run things there, crazy taxes, how about open space and schools – not so good. How about beautiful Alpine at #179?

Chatham Twp is #2, while Chatham Borough is #54. Why? Land preservation, outdoor rec, municipal management, stability of home values, etc.

Madison is a great little town near the Chathams, popular, yet ranked #210.

Hoboken is a popular town, fun, always desirable, but for the criteria in the poll, ranks badly.

getz76
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getz76
The problem is these types articles are always crap. You take long and medium-term commitments (where to live, where to work) and you rank them based on an annual change. If they were to be meaningful, they should take a long-term average. Otherwise you get anomalies that render your report useless for the “purpose” of ranking. If you must try to quantify “liveability” without any qualitative analysis, then at least TRY to do it in a manner that would somewhat represent reality. These types of things make statisticians and actuaries cringe. Give me a set a data, and with enough manipulation I can give you pretty much any result I desire. The magazine publishes it because it sells a couple of extra issues. If they knew the context, shame on the “Monmouth University Researchers” for contributing this drivel. In response to MidnightRacer who said: I think people aren’t reading the article. They seem to be thinking this ranking is based upon popularity alone, when in fact 8 criteria are included ranging from how the municipalities are managed which then affect taxes, schools, home values, land preservation and overall quality of life. No doubt about it, Hoboken is a cool place to live for the obvious reasons. But the list doesn’t include cool as a criteria. I like Maplewood and South Orange, but look how they run things there, crazy taxes, how about open space and schools – not so good. How about beautiful Alpine at #179? Chatham Twp is #2,… Read more »
BarbaraR56
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BarbaraR56
Hoboken once was a family town where everyone watched out for each other. A “blue collar” working town, with morality, traditional values, etc. Then one day a realtor decides to come in and buy one property at a very low price and renovate it and sell it for double. The community jumped on the band wagon thinking ok how can I capitalize on this? So they paint and put up very cheap siding or paneling and rent a once “cold water flat” to some unsuspecting soul for twice the price and of course the unsuspecting soul living in NY or other areas think, hey it’s better than paying high prices to be closer to my job. The rest as they say is history. The BNRs were forced to move, the newcomers come in and think hey we love it here, and the BNRs are just the uneducated trash that needs to be removed. Well, you got your premier buildings, you paid your overly priced rents or housing fees got your Starbucks, take-outs and while change is always good, now you are not happy with what you created. Sorry, but we all gave you what you wanted, yes the municipal and state government has always been corrupt, we actually did try to change it, well guess what? It didn’t change, same game different names. You enroll your children in the public schools because you got a clue that you were being ripped off at your prestigious private schools and now you… Read more »
hobokenj
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hobokenj
“The BNRs were forced to move” how were they forced? They sold and walked away with huge profits because there property values sky rocketed. In response to BarbaraR56 who said: Hoboken once was a family town where everyone watched out for each other. A “blue collar” working town, with morality, traditional values, etc. Then one day a realtor decides to come in and buy one property at a very low price and renovate it and sell it for double. The community jumped on the band wagon thinking ok how can I capitalize on this? So they paint and put up very cheap siding or paneling and rent a once “cold water flat” to some unsuspecting soul for twice the price and of course the unsuspecting soul living in NY or other areas think, hey it’s better than paying high prices to be closer to my job. The rest as they say is history. The BNRs were forced to move, the newcomers come in and think hey we love it here, and the BNRs are just the uneducated trash that needs to be removed. Well, you got your premier buildings, you paid your overly priced rents or housing fees got your Starbucks, take-outs and while change is always good, now you are not happy with what you created. Sorry, but we all gave you what you wanted, yes the municipal and state government has always been corrupt, we actually did try to change it, well guess what? It didn’t change, same… Read more »
getz76
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getz76
“The BNRs were forced to move” Bull$h*t. Plenty of them cashed out and moved to Middletown and Nutley and North Arlington and Hasbrook Heights. Good for them. In response to BarbaraR56 who said: Hoboken once was a family town where everyone watched out for each other. A “blue collar” working town, with morality, traditional values, etc. Then one day a realtor decides to come in and buy one property at a very low price and renovate it and sell it for double. The community jumped on the band wagon thinking ok how can I capitalize on this? So they paint and put up very cheap siding or paneling and rent a once “cold water flat” to some unsuspecting soul for twice the price and of course the unsuspecting soul living in NY or other areas think, hey it’s better than paying high prices to be closer to my job. The rest as they say is history. The BNRs were forced to move, the newcomers come in and think hey we love it here, and the BNRs are just the uneducated trash that needs to be removed. Well, you got your premier buildings, you paid your overly priced rents or housing fees got your Starbucks, take-outs and while change is always good, now you are not happy with what you created. Sorry, but we all gave you what you wanted, yes the municipal and state government has always been corrupt, we actually did try to change it, well guess what? It… Read more »
BarbaraR56
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BarbaraR56

Sure some of them “cashed out” why not? They wouldn’t have been able to do that if the developer didn’t offer them the deal? Some of us did not fall for the plan, we chose to stay and fight for what we believed in, so now you are outraged by the property tax rate that went astronomically high. Who is the b.s. artist now? Now you can’t sell your condo, house, etc.? You can rest assured that the original developer who started this mess, “cashed out” far more than the BNR who moved! He/she created it, now they must live with it. Middletown, Hasbrouck Heights, North Arlington, you call them better? Try those who moved to upper Bergen, Somerset, and Warren counties they are the elite now!

In response to getz76 who said:
“The BNRs were forced to move”

Bull$h*t. Plenty of them cashed out and moved to Middletown and Nutley and North Arlington and Hasbrook Heights. Good for them.

MidnightRacer
Member

Yep, the Sandwich Shop is still there. Still run by a bunch of brothers who I swear have to be related to the Baldwin bro’s.

Just try’n to expand my knowledge and experience of Joisey.

getz76
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getz76

“Researchers at Monmouth University’s Polling Institute”

Hahahahhahahahaha… oh, that’s rich. Researchers? Monmouth University? That was the best laugh of the week so far. Most of that student body is researching gravity bongs and happy hour specials between the Brighton Bar and Stingers.

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