Zero Tolerance St. Patty’s Day!

3/24/2010 Update:

Hoboken411 reader Lauren recounts the scene in court yesterday – and all the 2010 St. Patrick’s Parade fines…

Hours of fines, some reduced, some not

“Hi Hoboken 411,

I’m a big fan of your website. I look at it all the time in order to find out what’s going on in Hoboken. It is because of your website that I was well aware of all the Hoboken penalties for Hoboken St. Patty’s Day on March 6.

Despite the warnings, me and my roommates planned a house party. While I don’t believe it ever got out of hand, the police came and broke it up. They charged us with a disorderly house in my roommate’s name. While I was upset, I felt like I knew this might happen, and I was ready to accept the consequences.

Today, we appeared in court. We sat through about 4 hours of hearings regarding fines of jaywalking, littering, open containers and consumption of alcohol that took place on March 6th. I was surprised that many of the fines, particularly the open container fines, were reduced. The open container fine originally stated at $2,000, was reduced to $750, plus court fees ($33) and a day of community service totaling 6 hours. When they finally reached disorderly house fines, me and my roommates were shocked to hear that the $1,000 fine was raised to $2,000. Despite the letter written by Chief of Police Anthony P. Falco, Sr., which states that the fine should not exceed $1,000, the judge required us to pay $2,000.

I guess I’m interested to see what happened to others who received disorderly house fines. While I’m sure you are tired of covering Hoboken St. Patty’s Day for this year, I thought I might ask to see if you heard from anyone else, since the March 6 fines are being heard this week. I’d love to hear your input. Hoboken411 is a great online, community forum. I’m just looking for some clarification on why our fine was raised.”

-Lauren

Did any of you appear in court this week?

SEE PREVIOUS UPDATES AFTER THE JUMP…

3/11/2010 Update:

Day of mayhem results in cash cow for city

Between the Hoboken Police, Hudson County Sheriff’s Office and NJ Transit – over 550 tickets were issued during Hoboken’s St. Patrick’s Parade on March 6th, 2010.

Here’s a brief breakdown. What the total amount received in revenue will be known once all cases are heard.

Summonses Issued:

  • Open Container: 154
  • Jay Walking: 85
  • Drinking in the Street: 77
  • Disorderly House: 51
  • Public Urination: 41
  • Disorderly Conduct: 38
  • Littering: 9
  • Selling without License: 9
  • Other Misc.: 12
  • NJ Transit: 56
  • Hudson County: 23
  • TOTAL: 555

Overtime the city had to pay for this event: Approx. $120,000

Despite the “profit” the city and businesses made for the biggest party day of the year in Hoboken – do you still think it’s worth it? If not, why?? If so – do you think we should have many more events like this to help cut taxes?

2/27/2010 Reminder:

Annual Parade / Party next Saturday!

Get ready, less than a week left before the kegs, coolers, and cops mix and mingle through the streets, bars and apartments of Hoboken!

Constitutional or not – big fines will be issued for those dumb enough to bring their poor judgment to public areas of the Mile Square. Don’t say you haven’t been warned enough!

2/3/2010:

Zero Tolerance! Planning on being stupid on SPD?

Hoboken Police Chief Anthony P. Falco, Sr. has a message to anyone that tries to come to the Mile Square and act like an idiot on our St. Patrick’s Day this year.

Let this serve as a firm warning to anyone (both from Hoboken or out of town): If you have the tendency to get drunk and stupid during events like this – THEN PLEASE STAY AWAY FROM HOBOKEN! You’ll be embarrassed and MUCH poorer if you do. Take my word for it.

Hoboken St. Patrick's Day warning from Police Chief Falco February 2010

Zero Tolerance Policy Strictly Enforced

“Dear Residents and Visitors of Hoboken,

On Saturday, March 6, 2010, the City of Hoboken will be hosting the annual St. Patrick’s Day Parade. The parade is very popular and draws tens of thousands of people to our city. At times, some of our residents and guests become disorderly and unruly making it a difficult day for our residents who do not celebrate the day. In order to keep our city under control and create a safe and enjoyable environment for everyone, I will have every one of my officers working on that day with almost all of them, out on our streets, on patrol. My officers will be strictly enforcing all criminal and motor vehicle laws as well as all city ordinance violations. The following are four violations where there will be a zero tolerance policy in effect for the day:

  1. City Ordinance 145-23 A/B (Consumption of Alcohol/Open Container in Public)- Any person seen possessing an open container of alcohol in public faces maximum penalties of a fine up to $2,000, and the possible sentence of having to perform Community Service.
  2. City Ordinance 145-22 (Urinating in Public)- Any person observed urinating on public streets, sidewalks or in parks faces maximum penalties of a fine up to $2,000, and the possible sentence of having to perform Community Service.
  3. New Jersey State Statute 2C:33-12 (Maintaining a Nuisance)- House parties have become our largest problem on the parade day. Last year my officers responded to 131 calls for disorderly house parties. This year, when a party is deemed to be unreasonably reckless, disorderly and unsafe, the renter or owner of the apartment or house will be charged with this statute. A person is guilty of this offense when one “by conduct which is unlawful or unreasonable, knowingly or recklessly creates or maintains a condition which endangers the safety or health of persons”, or when “one knowingly conducts or maintains a premises or place where persons gather for purposes of engaging in unlawful conduct.” The maximum penalties for this offense are imprisonment of up to 6 months and fines not to exceed $1,000.
  4. New Jersey State Statute 2C: 33-2a (Disorderly Conduct, Improper Behavior)- A Person is guilty of disorderly conduct if “with purpose to cause public inconvenience, annoyance or alarm, or recklessly creating a risk thereof he, (1) Engages in fighting or threatening, or in violent or tumultuous behavior, or (2) Creates a hazardous or physically dangerous condition by any act which serves no legitimate purpose.” This offense carries maximum penalties of a 30 day prison term and a fine not to exceed $500.

I ask all the residents and guests of our city to please be considerate to everyone on this day, and to inform all family and friends to act respectful and orderly. Once again, we want this to be an enjoyable, but more importantly, safe day. The Hoboken Police Department will do everything within their powers to keep it as such. Finally, Do Not Drink and Drive. You may injure yourself or others, and if caught, you will be arrested.

Sincerely,

Chief Anthony P. Falco, Sr.

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191 Comments on "Zero Tolerance St. Patty’s Day!"


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rightnyer
5 years 3 months ago

Do you seriously not see a problem with judges increasing fines BEYOND the maximum allowed by statute? Do you not see a problem with the police being allowed to write a $2,000 loud party ticket purely based on their own subjective opinion of a party?

Member
5 years 3 months ago

Aren’t all arrests and fines are at the discretion of the officer?

In response to rightnyer who said:
Do you seriously not see a problem with judges increasing fines BEYOND the maximum allowed by statute? Do you not see a problem with the police being allowed to write a $2,000 loud party ticket purely based on their own subjective opinion of a party?

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rightnyer
5 years 3 months ago

Yes, but usually, there are more objective standards. Like it’s not up to the cop whether a car is parked illegally. It’s not up to the cop whether someone is speeding. Certain things are of course, but “loud party” is so subjective that I believe it’s Constitutionally vague. Many of these people that pleaded guilty could have won their cases IMO if they had fought them.

In response to Easy-E who said:
Aren’t all arrests and fines are at the discretion of the officer?

Member
5 years 3 months ago

if you think $2000 is the result of unlimited discretion, clearly you’re not good at math. Numbers go much higher than that.

Member
rightnyer
5 years 3 months ago

God some of you people are stupid, and I’m embarrassed that you are my neighbors. You people actually think the police and judges should have unlimited discretion to ticket for any behavior they think is wrong (even with no clear guidelines), and that judges should be allowed to increase fines beyond the statutory maximum? It’s a good thing none of you are lawyers (clearly) because you don’t know your collective asses from your elbows.

Member
5 years 4 months ago

Congrats Mooshu…now are you going to complain that you didn’t get an A++ and take it to the Chancellor? Because if it was a ticket from St Pattys Day that is what the winers are doing :)

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mooshu
5 years 4 months ago

Ha! No way. I had fun writing it and was surprised I earned that grade, but it appears that my instructor has a sense of humor. She deemed it an “excellent and interesting” read!

(Score!)

Thank you!

In response to Stpaddygirl who said:
Congrats Mooshu…now are you going to complain that you didn’t get an A++ and take it to the Chancellor? Because if it was a ticket from St Pattys Day that is what the winers are doing :)

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mooshu
5 years 4 months ago

BTW, 411, I used the frequency table above (summonses– issued credit to your site, of course) for a school writing project and got an A+.