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		<title>By: mooshu</title>
		<link>http://hoboken411.com/archives/31380/comment-page-1#comment-179006</link>
		<dc:creator>mooshu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 22:15:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s the stirrers.  The stirrers get me.  And then the swirling-- there&#039;s something artistic about the way the beverage moves around...

I&#039;m nuts.&lt;!--begin reply--&gt;
		
		&lt;span class=&quot;in_response_to&quot;&gt;In response to pawzclawz who said:&lt;/span&gt;
		&lt;div class=&quot;replied_to_style&quot;&gt;I sniff my beverages as well.  I really thought.  I was the only person that did.  I&#039;m glad to hear.  I have company in that area.  I don&#039;t eye,swirl and play with them.  I&#039;m wondering if I should start.  When you consider what&#039;s happened.  It&#039;s not an odd thing to do at all.  It is actually a good idea.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;!--end reply--&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s the stirrers.  The stirrers get me.  And then the swirling&#8211; there&#8217;s something artistic about the way the beverage moves around&#8230;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m nuts.<!--begin reply--></p>
<p>		<span class="in_response_to">In response to pawzclawz who said:</span></p>
<div class="replied_to_style">I sniff my beverages as well.  I really thought.  I was the only person that did.  I&#8217;m glad to hear.  I have company in that area.  I don&#8217;t eye,swirl and play with them.  I&#8217;m wondering if I should start.  When you consider what&#8217;s happened.  It&#8217;s not an odd thing to do at all.  It is actually a good idea.</div>
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		<title>By: pawzclawz</title>
		<link>http://hoboken411.com/archives/31380/comment-page-1#comment-178996</link>
		<dc:creator>pawzclawz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 19:41:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I sniff my beverages as well.  I really thought.  I was the only person that did.  I&#039;m glad to hear.  I have company in that area.  I don&#039;t eye,swirl and play with them.  I&#039;m wondering if I should start.  When you consider what&#039;s happened.  It&#039;s not an odd thing to do at all.  It is actually a good idea.&lt;!--begin reply--&gt;
		
		&lt;span class=&quot;in_response_to&quot;&gt;In response to mooshu who said:&lt;/span&gt;
		&lt;div class=&quot;replied_to_style&quot;&gt;I sometimes not only sniff beverages (it&#039;s odd, so?) but I eye them and swirl them and play with them before consuming them.

It&#039;s odd.  I know.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;!--end reply--&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sniff my beverages as well.  I really thought.  I was the only person that did.  I&#8217;m glad to hear.  I have company in that area.  I don&#8217;t eye,swirl and play with them.  I&#8217;m wondering if I should start.  When you consider what&#8217;s happened.  It&#8217;s not an odd thing to do at all.  It is actually a good idea.<!--begin reply--></p>
<p>		<span class="in_response_to">In response to mooshu who said:</span></p>
<div class="replied_to_style">I sometimes not only sniff beverages (it&#8217;s odd, so?) but I eye them and swirl them and play with them before consuming them.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s odd.  I know.</p>
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		<title>By: pawzclawz</title>
		<link>http://hoboken411.com/archives/31380/comment-page-1#comment-178995</link>
		<dc:creator>pawzclawz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 19:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You sound like a really good person.  I can&#039;t say.  I would be that good about an incident like your&#039;s.  I&#039;m sorry that happened to you.  I hope you&#039;re doing much better.&lt;!--begin reply--&gt;
		
		&lt;span class=&quot;in_response_to&quot;&gt;In response to TommyToothpicks who said:&lt;/span&gt;
		&lt;div class=&quot;replied_to_style&quot;&gt;ok a couple of things....
1) this was an accident, no need for anyone to get fired
2) glasses were stored upside down, and once the shots were poured they were consumed rather quickly, they sat less than 30 seconds
3) no tapes of the incident, besides it was dark inside
4) dirty glasses are not washed at the bar here, they are washed in the back and they use industrial washing equipment, not a soapy sink, and trust me the glasses do not sit for more than a few minutes before they are brought back out 

also it was a freak occurrence...how many times do you get a drink and really inspect what you&#039;ve gotten?

from now on i&#039;ll be much more careful&lt;/div&gt;&lt;!--end reply--&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You sound like a really good person.  I can&#8217;t say.  I would be that good about an incident like your&#8217;s.  I&#8217;m sorry that happened to you.  I hope you&#8217;re doing much better.<!--begin reply--></p>
<p>		<span class="in_response_to">In response to TommyToothpicks who said:</span></p>
<div class="replied_to_style">ok a couple of things&#8230;.<br />
1) this was an accident, no need for anyone to get fired<br />
2) glasses were stored upside down, and once the shots were poured they were consumed rather quickly, they sat less than 30 seconds<br />
3) no tapes of the incident, besides it was dark inside<br />
4) dirty glasses are not washed at the bar here, they are washed in the back and they use industrial washing equipment, not a soapy sink, and trust me the glasses do not sit for more than a few minutes before they are brought back out </p>
<p>also it was a freak occurrence&#8230;how many times do you get a drink and really inspect what you&#8217;ve gotten?</p>
<p>from now on i&#8217;ll be much more careful</p>
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		<title>By: bizarro</title>
		<link>http://hoboken411.com/archives/31380/comment-page-1#comment-178989</link>
		<dc:creator>bizarro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 19:00:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My first job was a dishwasher.  Even industrial dishwashers recycle the same water for a period of time.  We&#039;d change the water in the dishwasher about twice a day.  It&#039;s not really that different from the three sink method that you see behind the bar except that there&#039;s a filter inside the machine to capture food particles from being recycled continuously in the dishwater.  It looks sort of gross, but there&#039;s a high enough chemical concentration in either method to keep it sanitary.&lt;!--begin reply--&gt;
		
		&lt;span class=&quot;in_response_to&quot;&gt;In response to Furey who said:&lt;/span&gt;
		&lt;div class=&quot;replied_to_style&quot;&gt;One of the dishwasher machine vs sink arguements that many fail to understand is that a sink, over hours, gets dirty. In a perfect world, the bartender would empty and refill a dirty sink and put fresh new tabs of detergent and santitizer into them.

Often, that doesn&#039;t happen.

What does happen is after 7 hours of working in a busy bar, the sinks are filthy from washing 500 pint glasses, and the bartenders can&#039;t be bothered to stop and clean them.

When it was Dipper&#039;s I would clean the sinks about once a night.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;!--end reply--&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My first job was a dishwasher.  Even industrial dishwashers recycle the same water for a period of time.  We&#8217;d change the water in the dishwasher about twice a day.  It&#8217;s not really that different from the three sink method that you see behind the bar except that there&#8217;s a filter inside the machine to capture food particles from being recycled continuously in the dishwater.  It looks sort of gross, but there&#8217;s a high enough chemical concentration in either method to keep it sanitary.<!--begin reply--></p>
<p>		<span class="in_response_to">In response to Furey who said:</span></p>
<div class="replied_to_style">One of the dishwasher machine vs sink arguements that many fail to understand is that a sink, over hours, gets dirty. In a perfect world, the bartender would empty and refill a dirty sink and put fresh new tabs of detergent and santitizer into them.</p>
<p>Often, that doesn&#8217;t happen.</p>
<p>What does happen is after 7 hours of working in a busy bar, the sinks are filthy from washing 500 pint glasses, and the bartenders can&#8217;t be bothered to stop and clean them.</p>
<p>When it was Dipper&#8217;s I would clean the sinks about once a night.</p>
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		<title>By: mooshu</title>
		<link>http://hoboken411.com/archives/31380/comment-page-1#comment-178949</link>
		<dc:creator>mooshu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 05:25:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I sometimes not only sniff beverages (it&#039;s odd, so?) but I eye them and swirl them and play with them before consuming them.

It&#039;s odd.  I know.&lt;!--begin reply--&gt;
		
		&lt;span class=&quot;in_response_to&quot;&gt;In response to TommyToothpicks who said:&lt;/span&gt;
		&lt;div class=&quot;replied_to_style&quot;&gt;ok a couple of things....
1) this was an accident, no need for anyone to get fired
2) glasses were stored upside down, and once the shots were poured they were consumed rather quickly, they sat less than 30 seconds
3) no tapes of the incident, besides it was dark inside
4) dirty glasses are not washed at the bar here, they are washed in the back and they use industrial washing equipment, not a soapy sink, and trust me the glasses do not sit for more than a few minutes before they are brought back out 

also it was a freak occurrence...how many times do you get a drink and really inspect what you&#039;ve gotten?

from now on i&#039;ll be much more careful&lt;/div&gt;&lt;!--end reply--&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sometimes not only sniff beverages (it&#8217;s odd, so?) but I eye them and swirl them and play with them before consuming them.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s odd.  I know.<!--begin reply--></p>
<p>		<span class="in_response_to">In response to TommyToothpicks who said:</span></p>
<div class="replied_to_style">ok a couple of things&#8230;.<br />
1) this was an accident, no need for anyone to get fired<br />
2) glasses were stored upside down, and once the shots were poured they were consumed rather quickly, they sat less than 30 seconds<br />
3) no tapes of the incident, besides it was dark inside<br />
4) dirty glasses are not washed at the bar here, they are washed in the back and they use industrial washing equipment, not a soapy sink, and trust me the glasses do not sit for more than a few minutes before they are brought back out </p>
<p>also it was a freak occurrence&#8230;how many times do you get a drink and really inspect what you&#8217;ve gotten?</p>
<p>from now on i&#8217;ll be much more careful</p>
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		<title>By: TommyToothpicks</title>
		<link>http://hoboken411.com/archives/31380/comment-page-1#comment-178931</link>
		<dc:creator>TommyToothpicks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 04:38:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ok a couple of things....
1) this was an accident, no need for anyone to get fired
2) glasses were stored upside down, and once the shots were poured they were consumed rather quickly, they sat less than 30 seconds
3) no tapes of the incident, besides it was dark inside
4) dirty glasses are not washed at the bar here, they are washed in the back and they use industrial washing equipment, not a soapy sink, and trust me the glasses do not sit for more than a few minutes before they are brought back out 

also it was a freak occurrence...how many times do you get a drink and really inspect what you&#039;ve gotten?

from now on i&#039;ll be much more careful&lt;!--begin reply--&gt;
		
		&lt;span class=&quot;in_response_to&quot;&gt;In response to midtownauthentic who said:&lt;/span&gt;
		&lt;div class=&quot;replied_to_style&quot;&gt;P, it would be good for the community to know the bar.  I know nobody likes a rat but this is pretty serious.  I do not want to go to a bar and drop back a good ole irsh car bomb and fine something lodged in my throat.   I&#039;ll tell you what i know and that is bars have glasses upside down behind the bar so i doubt it was in there when the drink was poured, and i am sure if it was in the glass a bartender would have seen it.  SOunds like the drinks were made and a bartender took off a cap and instead of it flying behind the bar it flew forward and into the guys made drink or maybe the guy had an ex gal pal there and the drink was purposely altered and if that is the case the bar needs to review there tapes because that sounds like attempted murder to me.  I still would want to know the name of the bar, in case i am wrong.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;!--end reply--&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ok a couple of things&#8230;.<br />
1) this was an accident, no need for anyone to get fired<br />
2) glasses were stored upside down, and once the shots were poured they were consumed rather quickly, they sat less than 30 seconds<br />
3) no tapes of the incident, besides it was dark inside<br />
4) dirty glasses are not washed at the bar here, they are washed in the back and they use industrial washing equipment, not a soapy sink, and trust me the glasses do not sit for more than a few minutes before they are brought back out </p>
<p>also it was a freak occurrence&#8230;how many times do you get a drink and really inspect what you&#8217;ve gotten?</p>
<p>from now on i&#8217;ll be much more careful<!--begin reply--></p>
<p>		<span class="in_response_to">In response to midtownauthentic who said:</span></p>
<div class="replied_to_style">P, it would be good for the community to know the bar.  I know nobody likes a rat but this is pretty serious.  I do not want to go to a bar and drop back a good ole irsh car bomb and fine something lodged in my throat.   I&#8217;ll tell you what i know and that is bars have glasses upside down behind the bar so i doubt it was in there when the drink was poured, and i am sure if it was in the glass a bartender would have seen it.  SOunds like the drinks were made and a bartender took off a cap and instead of it flying behind the bar it flew forward and into the guys made drink or maybe the guy had an ex gal pal there and the drink was purposely altered and if that is the case the bar needs to review there tapes because that sounds like attempted murder to me.  I still would want to know the name of the bar, in case i am wrong.</div>
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		<title>By: WorldBFree</title>
		<link>http://hoboken411.com/archives/31380/comment-page-1#comment-178901</link>
		<dc:creator>WorldBFree</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sure the victim made some deal with the bar...medical bills...few thousand dollars and free booze for a long time in exchange for keeping quiet and not suing...Probably could have done much much better tho.&lt;!--begin reply--&gt;
		
		&lt;span class=&quot;in_response_to&quot;&gt;In response to midtownauthentic who said:&lt;/span&gt;
		&lt;div class=&quot;replied_to_style&quot;&gt;P, it would be good for the community to know the bar.  I know nobody likes a rat but this is pretty serious.  I do not want to go to a bar and drop back a good ole irsh car bomb and fine something lodged in my throat.   I&#039;ll tell you what i know and that is bars have glasses upside down behind the bar so i doubt it was in there when the drink was poured, and i am sure if it was in the glass a bartender would have seen it.  SOunds like the drinks were made and a bartender took off a cap and instead of it flying behind the bar it flew forward and into the guys made drink or maybe the guy had an ex gal pal there and the drink was purposely altered and if that is the case the bar needs to review there tapes because that sounds like attempted murder to me.  I still would want to know the name of the bar, in case i am wrong.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;!--end reply--&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure the victim made some deal with the bar&#8230;medical bills&#8230;few thousand dollars and free booze for a long time in exchange for keeping quiet and not suing&#8230;Probably could have done much much better tho.<!--begin reply--></p>
<p>		<span class="in_response_to">In response to midtownauthentic who said:</span></p>
<div class="replied_to_style">P, it would be good for the community to know the bar.  I know nobody likes a rat but this is pretty serious.  I do not want to go to a bar and drop back a good ole irsh car bomb and fine something lodged in my throat.   I&#8217;ll tell you what i know and that is bars have glasses upside down behind the bar so i doubt it was in there when the drink was poured, and i am sure if it was in the glass a bartender would have seen it.  SOunds like the drinks were made and a bartender took off a cap and instead of it flying behind the bar it flew forward and into the guys made drink or maybe the guy had an ex gal pal there and the drink was purposely altered and if that is the case the bar needs to review there tapes because that sounds like attempted murder to me.  I still would want to know the name of the bar, in case i am wrong.</div>
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		<title>By: Furey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Furey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 13:19:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the dishwasher machine vs sink arguements that many fail to understand is that a sink, over hours, gets dirty. In a perfect world, the bartender would empty and refill a dirty sink and put fresh new tabs of detergent and santitizer into them.

Often, that doesn&#039;t happen.

What does happen is after 7 hours of working in a busy bar, the sinks are filthy from washing 500 pint glasses, and the bartenders can&#039;t be bothered to stop and clean them.

When it was Dipper&#039;s I would clean the sinks about once a night.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the dishwasher machine vs sink arguements that many fail to understand is that a sink, over hours, gets dirty. In a perfect world, the bartender would empty and refill a dirty sink and put fresh new tabs of detergent and santitizer into them.</p>
<p>Often, that doesn&#8217;t happen.</p>
<p>What does happen is after 7 hours of working in a busy bar, the sinks are filthy from washing 500 pint glasses, and the bartenders can&#8217;t be bothered to stop and clean them.</p>
<p>When it was Dipper&#8217;s I would clean the sinks about once a night.</p>
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		<title>By: midtownauthentic</title>
		<link>http://hoboken411.com/archives/31380/comment-page-1#comment-178889</link>
		<dc:creator>midtownauthentic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 04:11:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P, it would be good for the community to know the bar.  I know nobody likes a rat but this is pretty serious.  I do not want to go to a bar and drop back a good ole irsh car bomb and fine something lodged in my throat.   I&#039;ll tell you what i know and that is bars have glasses upside down behind the bar so i doubt it was in there when the drink was poured, and i am sure if it was in the glass a bartender would have seen it.  SOunds like the drinks were made and a bartender took off a cap and instead of it flying behind the bar it flew forward and into the guys made drink or maybe the guy had an ex gal pal there and the drink was purposely altered and if that is the case the bar needs to review there tapes because that sounds like attempted murder to me.  I still would want to know the name of the bar, in case i am wrong.&lt;!--begin reply--&gt;
		
		&lt;span class=&quot;in_response_to&quot;&gt;In response to hoboken411 who said:&lt;/span&gt;
		&lt;div class=&quot;replied_to_style&quot;&gt;PS - the management at the &quot;Mile Square Bar &amp; Grill&quot; wasn&#039;t too happy with the phrase &quot;Mile Square&quot; as a reference to Hoboken, because &quot;some of their regulars&quot; were asking about this story.

The bar with the bottle cap gag-reflex action was *not* the Mile Square Bar &amp; Grill.

I suppose in the future I should be careful to use the very common phrase &quot;Mile Square&quot; (which has been around long before the bar) - in any story related to a bar.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;!--end reply--&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P, it would be good for the community to know the bar.  I know nobody likes a rat but this is pretty serious.  I do not want to go to a bar and drop back a good ole irsh car bomb and fine something lodged in my throat.   I&#8217;ll tell you what i know and that is bars have glasses upside down behind the bar so i doubt it was in there when the drink was poured, and i am sure if it was in the glass a bartender would have seen it.  SOunds like the drinks were made and a bartender took off a cap and instead of it flying behind the bar it flew forward and into the guys made drink or maybe the guy had an ex gal pal there and the drink was purposely altered and if that is the case the bar needs to review there tapes because that sounds like attempted murder to me.  I still would want to know the name of the bar, in case i am wrong.<!--begin reply--></p>
<p>		<span class="in_response_to">In response to hoboken411 who said:</span></p>
<div class="replied_to_style">PS &#8211; the management at the &#8220;Mile Square Bar &amp; Grill&#8221; wasn&#8217;t too happy with the phrase &#8220;Mile Square&#8221; as a reference to Hoboken, because &#8220;some of their regulars&#8221; were asking about this story.</p>
<p>The bar with the bottle cap gag-reflex action was *not* the Mile Square Bar &amp; Grill.</p>
<p>I suppose in the future I should be careful to use the very common phrase &#8220;Mile Square&#8221; (which has been around long before the bar) &#8211; in any story related to a bar.</p>
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		<title>By: FMTVENG</title>
		<link>http://hoboken411.com/archives/31380/comment-page-1#comment-178887</link>
		<dc:creator>FMTVENG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 02:38:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At least in the places I know of, the water also contains a decent amount of Bleach so that it kills whatever might be on the glass.&lt;!--begin reply--&gt;
		
		&lt;span class=&quot;in_response_to&quot;&gt;In response to Furey who said:&lt;/span&gt;
		&lt;div class=&quot;replied_to_style&quot;&gt;I still think someday they are going to have to get rid of the sink washing technique that 90% of the bars do it town.

Having a sink filled with soapy water is disgusting and filthy by the 1st hour, yet bartenders &quot;wash&quot; pint glasses in this soupy mess and pour you a beer or shot. 

Things like bottle caps or food or roaches can easily fall into the sinks and get mixed in with the whole process. 

Plus with H1N1 hysteria breaking out, its only a matter of time until bars will be forced to serve everyone with plastic cups unless they have a real dishwasher to clean their glassware.

And it&#039;s not impossible. I worked at Mikie Squared and we used an industrial dishwasher to wash all our glassware.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;!--end reply--&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At least in the places I know of, the water also contains a decent amount of Bleach so that it kills whatever might be on the glass.<!--begin reply--></p>
<p>		<span class="in_response_to">In response to Furey who said:</span></p>
<div class="replied_to_style">I still think someday they are going to have to get rid of the sink washing technique that 90% of the bars do it town.</p>
<p>Having a sink filled with soapy water is disgusting and filthy by the 1st hour, yet bartenders &#8220;wash&#8221; pint glasses in this soupy mess and pour you a beer or shot. </p>
<p>Things like bottle caps or food or roaches can easily fall into the sinks and get mixed in with the whole process. </p>
<p>Plus with H1N1 hysteria breaking out, its only a matter of time until bars will be forced to serve everyone with plastic cups unless they have a real dishwasher to clean their glassware.</p>
<p>And it&#8217;s not impossible. I worked at Mikie Squared and we used an industrial dishwasher to wash all our glassware.</p>
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