Update for Hoboken Sinatra Park

Sinatra Park Soccer Field ready for… WINTER!

We told you from the get-go, that the Sinatra Park Soccer field wasn’t truly about helping residents, or providing true “open space.”

One, because you will all need a permit to use it, or they’ll pickpocket money out of your wallet. Not an open space that anyone can happily walk on and play.

Two, they inconsiderately rushed this to get it ready for, what? Winter pee-wee soccer? Didn’t think so.

This field is being rushed for one single reason only (hence the late night construction that disturbed property tax-paying citizens)ELECTION TIME POLITICKING!

If you can’t see through, the BS – then you probably can’t comprehend what we’re saying here. Enjoy the “views” of the open space you can’t really ever use!

Hoboken Sinatra Park slugging along… or is it?

9/17/2013 Update:

Back in February – we mentioned that Hoboken Sinatra Park was going to take a while – but “might” get done quicker for the sake of politics.

Sinatra Park Soccer Field Construction Progress Hoboken NJ

Late night construction at Hoboken Sinatra Park annoys residents

Well – that appears to be correct. We suspected that Dawn Zimmer would make a big push to get this park done – for political purposes (i.e., to have a “ribbon cutting” photo op while she’s on Stan’s her campaign trail).

Last night – dozens of area residents called police to complain about the jack-hammering and construction noise over at the soon-to-be soccer field. Apparently the folks at city hall gave the contractors “verbal permission” to continue work almost up to MIDNIGHT.

You think that is fair that some contractors that may be considered “political pieces” get allowed to work faster for the benefit of a Mayoral candidate at the expense of the quality of life for residents?

Either way – cops responded to the scene before we got there, and the noise tempered down a bit. We’ll see if it happens again tonight and going forward.

Still no Hoboken Sinatra Park four and half years later

2/21/2013 Update:

Below is a recent video of the “construction” action down near the Hoboken Sinatra Park Soccer field / pier area.

I used to think why this project is taking so long was because of the general incompetence at City Hall – but now I’m starting to connect the dots. You ever wonder that they’re dragging this project along on purpose? Just to keep their contract buddies on for years on end (like Boswell Engineering who we mentioned yesterday)?

Anyway – when asked when they should be done with restoring the park – a project engineer on scene sheepishly said “early fall.” But his tone suggested that we might be lucky if we get the park back this year. But when there are election-timed ribbon cuttings, you never know what “miracles” can happen.

Hoboken Sinatra Park Soccer Field Update

10/5/2009 Update:

Following the Friday Afternoon news that Councilwoman Beth Mason was in talks with Stevens Institute to move Hoboken Youth League Soccer games back to Hoboken, Acting Mayor/Council President Dawn Zimmer had her Confidential Aide Dan Bryan send out her own update on the Sinatra Field situation Sunday, and it doesn’t sound good:

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“Emergency measures are currently being taken to protect Hoboken from losing its soccer field in the event of a major storm. Engineers from Remington & Vernick advised the City that Hoboken risks losing Sinatra Field completely if we do not take immediate action. This unfortunate situation has resulted from possible construction and design issues as well as the failure of previous administrations to address a known erosion problem due to shipworms. A final determination as to whether the field can be used for the fall season will be made early next week based on the review of a full report from Boswell Engineering.”

Can you hear the cash registers ringing? It sounds like cleaning up this mess is going to get expensive. Real expensive. The release from City Hall continues:

“Based on recommendations from the engineers a decision was made to install two 35-foot protective sheet metal barriers along each side of the southern section of the soccer field where the erosion has occurred. This metal sheet wall connected to pilings, is designed to prevent the tides and storm water from further destruction of the walkway and field. According to engineers, it will also be part of the final repair plan. I want to thank Assemblyman Ramos and Senator Kenney for assisting us with getting an emergency permit from the NJ DEP in order to complete this work on an emergency basis.”

Now, if you just said to yourself “Did she just say Senator Kenney?” you aren’t alone. State Senator Bernard Kenny (no “e” in his name) left office in 2007, replaced by Brian Stack, who was probably the person she meant to thank. By the way City Hall, the Board of Ed’s Facilities Director is Tim Calligy, not Tom (another error made in the press release). Acting Mayor/Council President Zimmer went on to say that as a soccer player herself she understands having fields to play on is important “to our quality of life.” Playing soccer apparently also played a role when Zimmer picked her City Directors.

How much do you think this mess is going to cost to fix? Will it be too expensive to save the soccer field from the rising tides? Was it a dumb idea to put a soccer field on sea-level landfill in the first place? Share your thoughts in the comments section below.

Sinatra Park Closed till further notice

9/23/2009 Update:

The City of Hoboken sends an update about the recent pier collapse…

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The city is being extra cautious regarding this collapse. Any soccer events scheduled in the near term have been re-located to the high school field. They’ve provided a time-line of what has and will transpire:

  • On Monday, September 21st, at approximately 9 a.m., City of Hoboken workers reported cracking in the pavers at the far east tip of Sinatra Park. The area was immediately closed off to the public.
  • City engineers conducted a “visual” survey of the area and pier piles during high tide that afternoon.
  • On Tuesday, September 22nd, City engineers conducted an “inner-water” survey at high-tide to further assess the pier’s condition. It was determined that a low-tide survey beneath the pier be conducted for further analysis of the pier’s condition.
  • On Wednesday, September 23rd, a low-tide survey was conducted to determine if further erosion has occurred. The City’s engineers then recommended that an underwater survey be conducted of the structure.
  • An underwater “diving” survey of the area will be conducted on Thursday, September 24th, at 7 a.m. by Boswell Underwater Engineering to determine the integrity of the structure.
  • As a precaution, all events scheduled at Sinatra Park on Wednesday, September 23rd, and for the immediate future have been postponed and the Soccer Field has been closed to the public. Soccer games scheduled for this weekend have been moved to Hoboken High School field.
  • An engineering report and cost estimates are being prepared to ensure immediate repairs.

Hoboken sinking – one pier at a time

9/23/2009:

Like a broken record – another pier crumbles into the Hudson in Hoboken, NJ. I just wonder why we focus so much on building NEW ones, when we cannot even keep the *existing* ones in good enough shape!

I guess a ribbon-cutting for a collapse wouldn’t bode to well with intelligent voters. (Then again, do ribbon-cuttings help earn votes to begin with?)

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68 Comments on "Update for Hoboken Sinatra Park"


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oceanbloo
6 years 4 months ago

Who built the pier? Shouldn’t they be held responsible?

Does this mean that there is going to be another ‘permanent’ eyesore and unrepaired pier, just like the one that collapsed a couple of years ago north of this one?

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6 years 4 months ago

I was thinking the same thing. There should be some recourse with the original builder no? Then again this is Hoboken . . . .

In response to oceanbloo who said:
Who built the pier? Shouldn’t they be held responsible?

Does this mean that there is going to be another ‘permanent’ eyesore and unrepaired pier, just like the one that collapsed a couple of years ago north of this one?

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brian_g
6 years 4 months ago

How is it possible for a concrete structure to collapse after 5 years?

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skuller
6 years 4 months ago

The force of the river under the weight of the tides is most formidable, so its not surprising that this corner, which sticks out and catches that force, especially of the flood tide, went down. Not making excuses. Engineers should have factored those inevitably erosive forces into the structural design. That corner probably needs to be rounded off and super-reinforced. I walk past there with my two young daughters often, as I am sure many of you do. We live with a false sense of security with all of these ‘improvements’ to our waterfront. But it will take someone getting… Read more »

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6 years 4 months ago

From what I’ve been told, lots of the walkway (such as Castle Point Park) is built on top of 1800s era landfill that is held back by nothing else but timber sheeting and/or block that rests on the bottom of the river bed.

It’s only a matter of time before undermining causes the entire walkway to collapse. The engineering reports that recommended new bulkheads and footings were of course ignored due to cost.

At least Pier C is built on all new driven piles.

In response to brian_g who said:
How is it possible for a concrete structure to collapse after 5 years?

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Red Haven
6 years 4 months ago

Homeworld is correct. If you look back at who was given the contracts for these first phases of riverfront amenities you should not be surprised to see the names of two familiar Hoboken insiders: Caulfield for engineering and Marchetto for design. The Castle Point and Sinatra parks and walkways are the engineering equivalent of putting lipstick on a pig. This 19th century hodgepodge of landfill and deficient bulkhead design was simply filled in and topped with pavers, a gazebo and the soccer field. What you see on top (when it isn’t falling in the river) is nice, but it is… Read more »

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strand tramp
6 years 4 months ago

an appropriate metaphor for how the bnr have treated “their” city… In response to Red Haven who said: Homeworld is correct. If you look back at who was given the contracts for these first phases of riverfront amenities you should not be surprised to see the names of two familiar Hoboken insiders: Caulfield for engineering and Marchetto for design. The Castle Point and Sinatra parks and walkways are the engineering equivalent of putting lipstick on a pig. This 19th century hodgepodge of landfill and deficient bulkhead design was simply filled in and topped with pavers, a gazebo and the soccer… Read more »

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KenOn10
6 years 4 months ago

I’m not sure Port Authority engineering is anything to brag about either. Consider that they insisted the original pier C was solid enough to build upon… until the day it collapsed into the river. Sure looks like they are putting wooden decking onto the new pier C park. Wooden planks, just inches from the water? Built to last (five year, maybe). In response to Red Haven who said: Homeworld is correct. If you look back at who was given the contracts for these first phases of riverfront amenities you should not be surprised to see the names of two familiar… Read more »

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hobposer
6 years 4 months ago

i stood in that same spot last week for the fireworks, luckily no one was there and got hurt or killed

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6 years 4 months ago

More like 10 years no? Pier A opened in 1999, wasn’t this constructed around the same time?

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NotBornButRaised
6 years 4 months ago

The park was completed or almost completed by 1998. For a while, it was just called North Park (when Pier A Park was done, we called it South Park). I don’t recall if that was an official name or we just called it that. I think there was or maybe still is a sign with that name. Many of us who hung out there back then still call it North Park. On February 12, 1998, Mr. John Sacci, a Hoboken High School teacher and softball coach, was tragically murdered in front of the school. Mayor Russo said the park would… Read more »

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lokelyokel
6 years 4 months ago

Where infront of the school did that murder take place? In response to NotBornButRaised who said: The park was completed or almost completed by 1998. For a while, it was just called North Park (when Pier A Park was done, we called it South Park). I don’t recall if that was an official name or we just called it that. I think there was or maybe still is a sign with that name. Many of us who hung out there back then still call it North Park. On February 12, 1998, Mr. John Sacci, a Hoboken High School teacher and… Read more »

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interested
6 years 4 months ago

As I recall it was on Clinton Street at dismissal time. The fellow who shot Mr. Sacci, and later shot himself, mistakenly thought his wife was having an affair with Mr. Sacci.

In response to lokelyokel who said:
Where infront of the school did that murder take place?

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NotBornButRaised
6 years 4 months ago

Sorry, but my original choice of words may have been a little misleading. The murder took place on the 9th street side of the school, in between Clinton and Grand, right in the middle of the street, in between the school and the park.

The gunman was chased by an off-duty cop and even some students (this happened just after school let out) through the park and then down 10th Street. The murderer killed himself on 10th Street between Clinton and Willow.

In response to lokelyokel who said:
Where infront of the school did that murder take place?

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pawzclawz
6 years 4 months ago

John Sacci’s murder was eleven years ago already? I can’t believe how quickly time flies. I work with someone. She used to live on 9th & Willow. Her boyfriend called her. The day that happened. Her boyfriend said that Mr.Sacci’s body landed in their yard. In response to NotBornButRaised who said: The park was completed or almost completed by 1998. For a while, it was just called North Park (when Pier A Park was done, we called it South Park). I don’t recall if that was an official name or we just called it that. I think there was or… Read more »

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NotBornButRaised
6 years 4 months ago

Yes, I also can’t believe that it’s been that long already. I was a student at that time and remember that day and the following weeks vividly. It was a traumatic experience. He was a great teacher and a great man and he is still missed by his former students. In response to pawzclawz who said: John Sacci’s murder was eleven years ago already? I can’t believe how quickly time flies. I work with someone. She used to live on 9th & Willow. Her boyfriend called her. The day that happened. Her boyfriend said that Mr.Sacci’s body landed in their… Read more »

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King of Rock
6 years 4 months ago

Who cares? The pier is falling into the water and it is being inspected by City Engineers who probably went to Hoboken High School – that makes me feel safe. This is a joke. I guess by the time they complete the Hudson River Walkway you will be able to walk from Bayonne to Jersey City and then from Weehawken to Fort Lee. There should be bus service around the disgrace of a city. In response to NotBornButRaised who said: Yes, I also can’t believe that it’s been that long already. I was a student at that time and remember… Read more »

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skuller
6 years 4 months ago

I’ve just recently moved back into town and begun perusing this site. Its really disappointing to hear people inferring that anyone who attended HHS is naturally incompetent and corrupt. These are slanderous generalizations which dont help move anything forward. I attended HHS, am a successful professional in a reputable field, and completed a masters degree from a major university with honors. And btw, one needs an advanced degree to become an engineer, something not offered at HHS. In response to King of Rock who said: Who cares? The pier is falling into the water and it is being inspected by… Read more »

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Litteredboken
6 years 4 months ago

“landed in their yard”- a gruesome but catchy phrase. Interesting but sad bit of history.

In response to pawzclawz who said:
John Sacci’s murder was eleven years ago already? I can’t believe how quickly time flies. I work with someone. She used to live on 9th & Willow. Her boyfriend called her. The day that happened. Her boyfriend said that Mr.Sacci’s body landed in their yard.

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lokelyokel
6 years 4 months ago

Landed in their yard vs shot in the middle of the street…seems to be a bit of a mixup here. If I recall correctly there is no yard on 9th between Grand and Clinton. Just the park.

In response to pawzclawz who said:
John Sacci’s murder was eleven years ago already? I can’t believe how quickly time flies. I work with someone. She used to live on 9th & Willow. Her boyfriend called her. The day that happened. Her boyfriend said that Mr.Sacci’s body landed in their yard.

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NotBornButRaised
6 years 4 months ago

I was a student then and was there that day. It happened halfway between Clinton and Grand. He was shot as he was going to his car which was parked on the park side of the street. His body ended up on the sidewalk of the park. I still have newspaper clippings that show his body on the ground covered up by a sheet. There is a small monument in Columbus park that is located in that same area. Perhaps the boyfriend was confused with the killer’s body. He shot himself on 10th street between Clinton and Willow. It was… Read more »

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pawzclawz
6 years 4 months ago

It was 11 years ago. I had forgotten all the details. You have just brought it back to me. You cleared up the confusion. “I Thank You!” It was the killer’s body not John Sacci’s body that ended up in their yard. My co-worker and her boyfriend used to live at 940 Willow. In response to NotBornButRaised who said: I was a student then and was there that day. It happened halfway between Clinton and Grand. He was shot as he was going to his car which was parked on the park side of the street. His body ended up… Read more »

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NotBornButRaised
6 years 4 months ago

You’re welcome. He was one of my teachers at the time, so, unfortunately, I remember that day and the following weeks very well.

In response to pawzclawz who said:
It was 11 years ago. I had forgotten all the details. You have just brought it back to me. You cleared up the confusion. “I Thank You!” It was the killer’s body not John Sacci’s body that ended up in their yard. My co-worker and her boyfriend used to live at 940 Willow.

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whineanddineinhob
6 years 4 months ago

Word about town was that there was a lot of legal action against the City regarding this incident and that is why the decision to re-name the park was made–not the death of Sinatra. In response to NotBornButRaised who said: The park was completed or almost completed by 1998. For a while, it was just called North Park (when Pier A Park was done, we called it South Park). I don’t recall if that was an official name or we just called it that. I think there was or maybe still is a sign with that name. Many of us… Read more »

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NotBornButRaised
6 years 4 months ago

That is true. The widow wanted to get worker’s comp. But they announced the naming change after Sinatra passed away, so it appeared that his hometown was just honoring Sinatra. But the legal issues were a big part of it. Sinatra’s passing gave them an easy logical option for the name. I don’t know what they would have named it had Sinatra still been alive; maybe still after him. Those of us who knew Mr. Sacci were very upset that the city changed their decision. In response to whineanddineinhob who said: Word about town was that there was a lot… Read more »

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whineanddineinhob
6 years 4 months ago

I was upset myself. I’m a close friend of his brothers and mother, and also his father (the butcher) who passed. In response to NotBornButRaised who said: That is true. The widow wanted to get worker’s comp. But they announced the naming change after Sinatra passed away, so it appeared that his hometown was just honoring Sinatra. But the legal issues were a big part of it. Sinatra’s passing gave them an easy logical option for the name. I don’t know what they would have named it had Sinatra still been alive; maybe still after him. Those of us who… Read more »

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HansBrix
6 years 4 months ago

I’m guessing this sort of thing happens because the work (design and construction) goes to the connected but incompetent.

How else would you explain the now-replaced official hoboken city website?

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