QotD: Pedestrians or Drivers?

Pedestrians: Use common sense; have some self-preservation!

Now the the weather is getting warmer, and more and more pedestrians are out (as well as drivers) – I figured it’d be a good time to bump this question from a few years back.

While I think everyone’s attention span has fallen across the board – I now, more than ever – believe pedestrians are to blame for their own demise most of the time. The lack of patience, understanding the risks, and a giant vat of “self-importance” leads to these ridiculous accidents more often than not. Sure double-parked cars, blocked intersections, texting all add to the mix… but just watch how many people reckless cross the streets next time you’re out, and you’ll agree.

Original article:

Why so many pedestrian accidents?

One thing I’ve noticed since starting Hoboken411 forty months ago – is that my viewpoint about drivers and pedestrians has changed dramatically.

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Who’s more “entitled?” Drivers or pedestrians?

I used to hear incidents on the Hoboken411 Live Police and Fire Action Channel – about pedestrians struck by autos all the time. And by witnessing the nutty drivers, I automatically assumed it was the drivers fault. But since I’ve been paying attention more closely to exactly what is happening, plus my own personal observations – that it is more often the pedestrian’s fault.

Let’s analyze for a minute…

  • Everyone speeds. Whether it’s cars in a hurry to reach the high speed roads (or late, in a hurry, nervous) – or pedestrians that are rushing to the bus, path or taxi-stand – and joggers/runners working out – I’d think that aspect is a wash.
  • We all understand physics. You and me walking can pretty much stop on a dime – within a few feet. Cars, on the other hand have a much heavier weight and a much longer stopping distance. In this case, the cars should be highly respected.

With that being said, pedestrians should NEVER assume right of way until they are certain the coast is clear. Any basic idiot would understand the factors involved.

Yet I see pedestrians of all shapes and sizes… With babies, carriages, dogs, alone – just mindlessly wander into intersections – where they are bonafide underdogs when it comes to the battle of flesh vs. steel. Where is self-preservation these days?

Without getting into this much more…

Who is more to blame for pedestrian / car accidents?

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While our streets can get quite nutty – and drivers speed all the time – have you ever witnessed the arrogance amongst our pedestrians?

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82 Comments on "QotD: Pedestrians or Drivers?"

MVF
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As both a commuter (to work and back) and a pedestrian nights and days off I’ve always thought it was the people who interpret “yield to pedestrians in cross walk” as “feel walk out in front of cars” as the problem. I’ve personally never had any problems with cars while walking around, of course I tend to look both ways before crossing a street.

What made me think of this was something I saw on my way to work this morning. I was behind an ambulance on Willow, Lights flashing, had used the siren at multiple intersections. At 3rd st however it had to slow down and nearly come to a complete stop as an HMUC student strolled across Willow in front of it.

Journey
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Journey

Then there are the drivers that feel the “yield to pedestrians” means only yield if the pedestrian is brave enough to play chicken with a car.

I have waited one step off the curb, in the crosswalk at the corner of 4th and Clinton numerous times while not one, but more than six cars in a row didn’t yield.[quote comment=”207245″]As both a commuter (to work and back) and a pedestrian nights and days off I’ve always thought it was the people who interpret “yield to pedestrians in cross walk” as “feel walk out in front of cars” as the problem. I’ve personally never had any problems with cars while walking around, of course I tend to look both ways before crossing a street.What made me think of this was something I saw on my way to work this morning. I was behind an ambulance on Willow, Lights flashing, had used the siren at multiple intersections. At 3rd st however it had to slow down and nearly come to a complete stop as an HMUC student strolled across Willow in front of it.[/quote]

animal_lover
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animal_lover

Ditto Journey[quote comment=”207266″]Then there are the drivers that feel the “yield to pedestrians” means only yield if the pedestrian is brave enough to play chicken with a car.I have waited one step off the curb, in the crosswalk at the corner of 4th and Clinton numerous times while not one, but more than six cars in a row didn’t yield.[/quote]

jonnyc
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jonnyc

This type of anecdotal evidence is always amusing. Pedestrians are to blame due to an aloof student walking across the street, meanwhile while cars jamming up intersections and not pulling over for ambulances happens so often in Hoboken you probably don’t even notice it anymore.[quote comment=”207245″]As both a commuter (to work and back) and a pedestrian nights and days off I’ve always thought it was the people who interpret “yield to pedestrians in cross walk” as “feel walk out in front of cars” as the problem. I’ve personally never had any problems with cars while walking around, of course I tend to look both ways before crossing a street.What made me think of this was something I saw on my way to work this morning. I was behind an ambulance on Willow, Lights flashing, had used the siren at multiple intersections. At 3rd st however it had to slow down and nearly come to a complete stop as an HMUC student strolled across Willow in front of it.[/quote]

mooshu
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mooshu

Eh, screw it:

Remove all lights and STOP signs and create a free-for-all. I say that because it’s the only way drivers are going to be more considerate. Rules won’t change the entitled– fear will. Instill fear in them about crashing into another car and becoming maimed or dying or ruining the precious SUVs. Maybe they’ll learn to appreciate the rules, signs and lights later.

Along Hudson street once, we did fine without a light in place at a busy intersection. Drivers were more courteous at the time, believe it.

:: Awaits “mooshu’s a village-idiot” lynching by anonymous internet “mob” ::

Journey
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Journey

I’ve changed my mind about the priorities I’m going to teach my daughter about cars.

Physics first then the law. Because a driver can break the laws about stopping at a stop sign, I don’t anyone that can break Newton’s Laws of Motion.

Journey
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Journey

Last night a driver was nice (at first) and waved me and my toddler to cross, so we did.

Then the driver broke the law by proceeding through the intersection before we had finished crossing the street. As the driver passed close behind me and my toddler, my child became scared.

To the driver (and all drivers) if you are going to wave pedestrians across the street, try obeying the law and waiting until we finish crossing before you proceed?

theeddiepshow
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theeddiepshow

Also, for other people, I agree that people drive like idiots in Hoboken but my views are for idiots that jump out in front of cars, but believe they are royalty and cars can stop at the drop of a dime just from the view of the pedestrian’s ora.

If you a walking, and some asshat speeding, hits you, then by all means give them hell. But don’t be an idiots like the many on Washington St that dart out in the street in groups of 20 and then blocks the intersection during a green light. Even worse when they keep their eyes facing the wrong direction of traffic.

Journey
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Journey
Here is an observation for consideration. Domino Theory and Escalation of Cascades A pedestrian waits at an intersection like 4th and Clinton waiting for break in traffic to cross. The wait there on the corrner making eye contact with driver after driver as they ignore the fact that the pedestrian wants to cross. The pedestrian is not in the crosswalk, they don’t have to stop, why should they. First domino. The pedestrian has learned that the drivers are not going to stop unless they are in the cross walk. The pedestrian starts waiting for a break in the traffic just off the curb in the crosswalk. Many drivers still don’t stop. Second domino. The pedestrian has learned that the drivers are not going to stop and then starts trying to time the traffic, doing the mental calculations. At that rate of speed, at that distance I can maybe get all the way across the street. The pedestrian takes the risk. Third domino. I have waited at 4th and Clinton, in the worst kinds of weather in the crosswalk (a car would have swerve into the parking lane to hit me and most likely the car packed near the corner) while not one, not two, not three, but eleven cars ignore that I want to cross. How do drivers and pedestrians mutually train and set each others expectations? [quote comment=”206205″]Also, for other people, I agree that people drive like idiots in Hoboken but my views are for idiots that jump out… Read more »
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