Hoboken Question of the Day

8/17/2009:

New 411 Feature starting today!

Decided to give a new feature a “beta-trial” starting today: The Hoboken Question of the Day (QotD)

Pretty much every day of the week, I wonder about many aspects of Hoboken. Whether it be political, quality of life, business related, arts & leisure, pets, parenting and whatever else pops into my mind. So for the foreseeable future (or until I run out of ideas) – I will publish what I choose to be the “Hoboken Question of the Day” each day of the week (not sure if I’ll run this on the weekends yet).

The premise will be simple. It’ll start with a background statement or opinion – followed by an open question. The entry may or may not include a user poll as well.

So without further ado…

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Hoboken QotD: Are we a democracy?

A couple notable Hoboken residents have made public statements about the upcoming November Mayoral election recently – basically saying that NO ONE should run against interim Mayor Dawn Zimmer – citing that it would be no good for our community, and that the ONLY reason anyone would throw their hat into the ring would be for EGO alone.

I found these statements to be against what the American Democracy is all about, and wondered why – since Hoboken is holding a public election – that anyone in their right mind would try to put the kibosh on the openness and fairness of such a process.

QotD: Do you agree with such statements? Shouldn’t an election be open to anyone that qualifies?

Should anyone run against Zimmer?

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61 Comments on "Hoboken Question of the Day"

strand tramp
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strand tramp

here is a link to some kind of document…hmmmm it’s looks like, why yes, it is the indictment of peter cammarano III.
anything else you want to spew you lying fat f#ck?
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/complaint2.pdf

Red Haven
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Red Haven
BBZZZZTTT!! NO! I’m sorry Mr. Insult Machine but that is the wrong answer! What you have linked to is the criminal complaint against Peter Cammarano. That is not an indictment. Don’t believe me? From the U.S. Attorney’s Office of Public Affairs: A surprisingly large number of print and broadcast reports continue to state that the public officials and private individuals charged on July 23 were INDICTED. That’s wrong. They were charged in Criminal Complaints, and although it may seem like a minor thing, there is a significant legal and process difference. (The criminal Complaints and press release have been available online since July 23: http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/nj/press/2009releases.html ) The next step is to present the cases to a grand jury for indictment. Under the law, we have 30 days from the filing of a criminal complaint to do that. Routinely, however, continuance orders are entered by agreement of the parties. A continuance order usually gives the government another 30 days to indict the case. Those orders can be extended by agreement. The only next court appearance for any of the defendants — barring a violation of terms of bail and release — would come upon indictment. It is only then that a defendant is arraigned on that indictment before the U.S. District Judge to whom the case will proceed. At that time, a defendant enters his/her formal not guilty plea, a trial date is set (often tentative), and discovery orders (a calendar for the required timely sharing of evidence) are entered. So,… Read more »
CalGard
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CalGard
And don’t forget Sam Wachtler’s (the former Chief Judge of NY) joke that “a prosecutor could persuade a grand jury to “‘indict a ham sandwich.'” In response to Red Haven who said: BBZZZZTTT!! NO! I’m sorry Mr. Insult Machine but that is the wrong answer! What you have linked to is the criminal complaint against Peter Cammarano. That is not an indictment. Don’t believe me? From the U.S. Attorney’s Office of Public Affairs: A surprisingly large number of print and broadcast reports continue to state that the public officials and private individuals charged on July 23 were INDICTED. That’s wrong. They were charged in Criminal Complaints, and although it may seem like a minor thing, there is a significant legal and process difference. (The criminal Complaints and press release have been available online since July 23: http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/nj/press/2009releases.html ) The next step is to present the cases to a grand jury for indictment. Under the law, we have 30 days from the filing of a criminal complaint to do that. Routinely, however, continuance orders are entered by agreement of the parties. A continuance order usually gives the government another 30 days to indict the case. Those orders can be extended by agreement. The only next court appearance for any of the defendants — barring a violation of terms of bail and release — would come upon indictment. It is only then that a defendant is arraigned on that indictment before the U.S. District Judge to whom the case will proceed. At… Read more »
Robot Karate
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Robot Karate

That ham sandwich quote is such a load of bull. Consider the source, a disgruntled, disbarred, mentally ill defense attorney. Sol Wachtler was an embarrasment to the NY judiciary, the product of a corrupt NY appointment system.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sol_Wachtler

In response to CalGard who said:
And don’t forget Sam Wachtler’s (the former Chief Judge of NY) joke that “a prosecutor could persuade a grand jury to “‘indict a ham sandwich.'”

Red Haven
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Red Haven

strand tramp is your rant directed at someone in particular or is it just your usual written diarrhea? I never advocated for Cammarano here. I just reminded people that Zimmer is not the messiah figure her Zealots tried to sell us. There is a difference.

Not that it matters, but nobody who was arrested has been indicted yet. Most will likely plead out before that happens.

There are more than 40,000 people in Hoboken. I estimate at least 20,000 are more qualified to be Mayor than Dawn Zimmer. I hope one of them steps up.

CalGard
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CalGard

Similar to William Buckley’s comment:

“I’d rather entrust the government of the United States to the first 400 people listed in the Boston telephone directory than to the faculty of Harvard University.”

I suspect Zimmer is not among the first 400 people in the Hoboken directory. And she’s not Harvard faculty.

I like the decisions she has taken so far.

In response to Red Haven who said:
strand tramp is your rant directed at someone in particular or is it just your usual written diarrhea? I never advocated for Cammarano here. I just reminded people that Zimmer is not the messiah figure her Zealots tried to sell us. There is a difference.

Not that it matters, but nobody who was arrested has been indicted yet. Most will likely plead out before that happens.

There are more than 40,000 people in Hoboken. I estimate at least 20,000 are more qualified to be Mayor than Dawn Zimmer. I hope one of them steps up.

strand tramp
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strand tramp

well we know from the tapes that YOUR man cammarrano will get all of the black, hispanic, and senior votes…since he is in fact indicted this time. so if zimmer faces mason and they both split the non-bnr, non-corrupt votes then your man wins again, right? so i guess you would be thrilled again, right? happy to have the criminal win? the corrupt nj politician? your man? your main man pete? peter cammarrano? number 6060842?

strand tramp
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strand tramp

the problem is that it is a plurality election.

Red Haven
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Red Haven

It’s only a problem if you don’t believe your candidate can secure the most votes. Judging by the increasing number of nasty and paranoid comments by a number of Zimmer’s supporters I’d say they’re not as confident as they should be under the circumstances.

If they truly believed that could bring out the 6000 votes they got in the June they wouldn’t be so obviously skittish today. It’s going to be an interesting few months. I expect some very interesting candidates beyond the usual suspects to step up.

Don’t underestimate how much of the Zimmer vote was actually an anti-Roberts/Cammarano vote. That won’t be part of the dynamic in November.

In response to strand tramp who said:
the problem is that it is a plurality election.

strand tramp
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strand tramp

the real problem is that the nov election will be a plurality election.

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