Helicopter & Plane collide; crash in Hudson

8/14/2009 Update:

In case you haven’t seen the video of the collision…

8/9/2009 Update:

About the victims…

NBC New York has a sad article about the victims who perished.

Helicopter wreckage pulled from Hudson

Below are some photos of both the helicopter wreckage getting extracted from the river – as well as being hoisted onto the pier at Maxwell Place (12th & Sinatra). Additional shots of what the general scene looks like (onlookers, emergency vehicles, boats, etc.)


(Thanks to Ray for the first picture of the helicopter getting pulled…)

SEE ALL OF YESTERDAY’S UPDATES AFTER THE JUMP…

(Helicopter, Plane Collision – continued…)

8/8/2009 Updates

8:00pm:

NTSB Press Conference

NTSB press conference started late, and ended at 8:47pm. An NTSB spokeswoman recapped the day’s tragic events, and said that they’ve recovered three bodies (unsure of from what aircraft), and have located the wreckage of the helicopter. They haven’t positively located the plane, but have promising data as to it’s whereabouts. Until they analyze the air traffic control data, no positive information could be reported about the altitude of the collision.

Additionally, the NTSB said that the water conditions were difficult, with visibility of two to three feet. The recovery mission will resume again Sunday morning at 7AM.

5:00pm:

soupsoup.tumber.com has this screen capture photo of the mid-air collision caught on film!
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3:30pm:

Fox news has picture of “splash”

A Hoboken411 reader sent me this screen capture that Fox News is airing – a picture of the “splash” after one of the aircraft landed in the Hudson:
fox-news-splash-landing-helicopter-plane-collision-hudson-river-hoboken-nj

2:44pm:

Press conferences – a “recovery mission”

VIDEO STREAM NOW OFF THE AIR…
NYC Mayor Bloomberg had a press conference, talking about the “tragic incident.” He said it appeared the plane hit the helicopter, severed it’s wing, etc. There was discussion about how aircraft communicate and the allowed air space around New York. He said at that altitude, there are certain frequencies that pilots communicate and that all pilots are “skilled.” He believed that no one survived the accident, and the mission has turned from a rescue to a recovery mission.

1:29pm:

Photos of the scene

Here is a gallery of the scene from Hoboken411 readers Bob, Will, Sean and my very own brother:

1:11pm:

Helicopter was from Liberty Tours

Last year, we reported that the Liberty Tours Helicopter sightseeing company was supposed to scale back it’s operations… NBC news reports: “The helicopter was from Liberty Tours. Five passengers and a pilot were on board. The small plane — a fixed wing single-engine aircraft — originally left from Pennsylvania. It stopped at Teterboro Airport in New Jersey to pick up one more person and then departed, police sources said.”

12:58pm:

One confirmed dead

NY1 is confirming one passenger dead. Other unconfirmed reports indicate that the plane may have been one of those advertising banner planes… A tire was spotted on the Sinatra Drive near the skate park..
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12:45pm:

Up to nine people total on board

Initial reports are indicating that the plane had just taken off from Teterboro Airport, and was carrying up to three people – and the helicopter as many as six. Their grim fate remains unknown…

12:40pm:

Black Box spotted near Pier A

NYPD said that they received a call saying a “black box” was spotted near or under Pier A Park….

12:34pm:

Debris being collected; NTSB en route

Police are finding more aircraft parts throughout the waterfront area in Hoboken. They’re being advised to secure the parts. The National Transportation Safety Board is on the way. Other entities involved are the Hudson County Sheriffs department, Hoboken OEM, and more…
12:20pm:

Witnesses say helicopter and plane collide

One commenter here on Hoboken411 said it appeared to be a helicopter and plane that collided… Police are scouring the town now for evidence (14th Street) – amazing no reports of street injuries. Apparently heavy pedestrian traffic is now headed towards the river from all angles.

12:15pm:

Plane debris all over Hoboken

Officials are reporting over the air that plane wreckage is being spotted all over town, including 14th Street and the Campus of Stevens Institute.

12:10pm:

Possible Collision?

The eyewitness, who is in Pier A Park said it appeared to be some kind of twin-engine plane, white with red stripes. He said it sounded like maybe one of the engines exploded, and literally one of the wings may have come off. It was flying fast south down the river.. Police over the radio suspect it may have been a collision.

This took place between Sinatra Park and Pier A Park.

Stevens is reporting that a piece of the wings is on top of one of their buildings.

NYPD Police helicopters responded and two divers jumped out into the river…

More to come…

12:05 PM:

Single engine plane breaks apart in mid-air

Crashes in Hudson!

More to follow…

89 Responses

  1. Silva says:

    Fox News is interviewing the guy who found the tire right now.

  2. Riggleman says:

    Woww…Fox news just had pics on TV of the plane crash mid air….Crazy snaps.

    • Silva says:

      Is this birdbrain from Fox News the next Walter Cronkite?

      “Mayor Zimmer, can you tell us if the tire is still on the road in Hoboken?”

      What an important question.

      In response to Riggleman who said:

      Woww…Fox news just had pics on TV of the plane crash mid air….Crazy snaps.

      • blahblahblah says:

        MAYOR ZIMMERS RESPONSE…..”i dont know, ill need more time to look it over, can we table this till next tragic accident”

        In response to Silva who said:

        Is this birdbrain from Fox News the next Walter Cronkite?

        “Mayor Zimmer, can you tell us if the tire is still on the road in Hoboken?”

        What an important question.

  3. DRoss says:

    Was in the dog park earlier today. Heard a loud boom, everyone just kind of looked at each other and shrugged it off.

    I get home and hour later and figure the loud boom was from the collision.

  4. YipYap says:

    The pics Fox News is showing you can see the tire that broke loose and landed in Hoboken.

  5. camel2 says:

    Zimmer looks out of place, like a deer in headlights. Why is she there?

    • mooshu says:

      She’s doin’ her job. For now.

      In response to camel2 who said:

      Zimmer looks out of place, like a deer in headlights. Why is she there?

    • johnozed says:

      Dawn Zimmer is the interim Mayor and this happened on her watch. That is why she was there. Perhaps the previous mayor would probably be hanging out in the Malibu away from the powder.

      In response to camel2 who said:

      Zimmer looks out of place, like a deer in headlights. Why is she there?

  6. molly says:

    this morning about 11:00 i headed for the river, i have a regular spot i like to read at, the soccer field is behind me, i get comfy, little shade little sun, ice coffee and an ocassional clove cig. at 11:45
    like a dream i witnessed the copter spiral as quickly as a blink in a surreal moment. still not registering or undersanding what the fk was happening i was joined by those who responded quickly by calling 911 please understand all help was there. i am drained now it’s been a long day, light a candle and know a bigger catastrophe could have occurred.

    peace to all, need to chill, already saged, and took care of the head.

    • jerryp says:

      I know the whole surreal thing. I had just gotten a cupcake from Sweet, was munching away and walking to Washington, hear a little bang, and see this crazy airplane careen between two sky scrapers. I thought, air show!, wait no wing!, umm.. I need more coffee? Then I was like, I should run there, but what could I do? It was just bizarre. Poor people.

      In response to molly who said:

      this morning about 11:00 i headed for the river, i have a regular spot i like to read at, the soccer field is behind me, i get comfy, little shade little sun, ice coffee and an ocassional clove cig. at 11:45
      like a dream i witnessed the copter spiral as quickly as a blink in a surreal moment. still not registering or undersanding what the fk was happening i was joined by those who responded quickly by calling 911 please understand all help was there. i am drained now it’s been a long day, light a candle and know a bigger catastrophe could have occurred.

      peace to all, need to chill, already saged, and took care of the head.

  7. Riggleman says:

    VERY SERIOUS POST, PLEASE READ…Hi All…So I just went down to the wreckage site, and they found the copter. I saw a big Coast Guard ship that wasn’t even close to where the plane went down…I was on Pier A and swaw it go in around the north tip of the park. maybe 20-30 yds north of it…The ship was probably 50-75 yds north of where I thought it went in…To make a long story short..I spoke with a detective from the Coast Guard and he took my info and I told him where I saw it go down…I think they need our help in seeing where it went down…..I URGE you if you saw it go in the water as I did please post on here the location you thought it went in, or I could put you in touch with the CG detective…Just trying to help the families find their love one’s in the crash. Thanks.

  8. fupa says:

    mayor zimmer rockin the crazy eyes! nice!

    • kaylak9 says:

      The weirdest look on a face I have EVER seen!

      In response to fupa who said:

      mayor zimmer rockin the crazy eyes! nice!

      • mooshu says:

        Smokin’ the good sh*t?

        In response to kaylak9 who said:

        The weirdest look on a face I have EVER seen!

      • fupa says:

        i think this is her *serious* face

        In response to kaylak9 who said:

        The weirdest look on a face I have EVER seen!

      • camel2 says:

        Bullsh*t, that is no serious face. That is the “oh my god stan or lenz aren’t telling me what to say” face.

        The hoboken mayor had no real reason to be around, especially since she was hours behind the crash. Same with corzine. Equate that to the annoying office worker that meddles with the people doing the actual work. Or the school kid that tries taking credit for a project they had nothing to do with.

        Seriously, this event isn’t even a crisis anymore. They’re all dead, and it’s just a procedural clean up project at this point. Stop sticking your nose in everything dawn! What next? Will you have a press release daily as to what time the sun rises and sets? Really, dawn. Really.

        She couldn’t even spell correctly on her statement on the hoboken website.

        hobokennj.org/news/helicopter-and-s...de-and-falls-into-the-hudson-river/

        If you site idiocy call 911!

        Truly getting sick of the attention seeking bull our politicians need to feel good about themselves.

        In response to fupa who said:

        i think this is her *serious* face

      • freewheelin says:

        So this is the way the Zimmer haters are going to play it from now on, huh? If she didn’t show up and make a statement, you’d say she didn’t care about Hoboken and was being negligent. When she does show up and make a statement, you say she’s meddling and has no idea what she’s doing. Then you go off on her eyes, her husband and anything else you can think of, and blame her for a typo on the city website, as if the mayor herself wrote it out and posted it (a mayor doesn’t have enough to do and has to be a webmaster too?). Some of you folks are truly pathetic.

        In response to camel2 who said:

        Bullsh*t, that is no serious face. That is the “oh my god stan or lenz aren’t telling me what to say” face.

        The hoboken mayor had no real reason to be around, especially since she was hours behind the crash. Same with corzine. Equate that to the annoying office worker that meddles with the people doing the actual work. Or the school kid that tries taking credit for a project they had nothing to do with.

        Seriously, this event isn’t even a crisis anymore. They’re all dead, and it’s just a procedural clean up project at this point. Stop sticking your nose in everything dawn! What next? Will you have a press release daily as to what time the sun rises and sets? Really, dawn. Really.

        She couldn’t even spell correctly on her statement on the hoboken website.

        hobokennj.org/news/helicopter-and-s...de-and-falls-into-the-hudson-river/

        If you site idiocy call 911!

        Truly getting sick of the attention seeking bull our politicians need to feel good about themselves.

      • blahblahblah says:

        what is truly pathetic is she cant handle situations as this, imagine if asomething happened in town and on a large scale…ITS SO TRUE that she was lost without lenz there to tell her what to say or do….in instances like this it shows she doesnt understand the police/fire role in our town, nor does she know how to prepare a statement….”if anyone sees wrecjage/debris dont touch it call PD….no shit, really, first off the area is CAUTIONED OFF WITH TAPE…any idiot who crosses it should be arrested……FREEBASIN, you all got on peter, its only fair game…..although he did what he did, he was still better equipped at running a city….

        In response to freewheelin who said:

        So this is the way the Zimmer haters are going to play it from now on, huh? If she didn’t show up and make a statement, you’d say she didn’t care about Hoboken and was being negligent. When she does show up and make a statement, you say she’s meddling and has no idea what she’s doing. Then you go off on her eyes, her husband and anything else you can think of, and blame her for a typo on the city website, as if the mayor herself wrote it out and posted it (a mayor doesn’t have enough to do and has to be a webmaster too?). Some of you folks are truly pathetic.

      • freewheelin says:

        I believe the word you are looking for is cordoned, not cautioned. And if you think Peter the Cheater was equipped to run this or any other city, you really need to put your brain back in–it tells me all I really need to know about your values.

        Listen, if Dawn doesn’t make any positive changes between now and November then I won’t be voting for her either (unless she runs against another slimy POS like PC). But the stuff you haters guys are choosing to criticize is moronic. When PC was “elected,” those of you who believed in him told the rest of us to accept it and get over the election. Now it’s your turn. Dawn has till November to either prove or not prove she can do this. If she can’t, I’m sure you’ll get some other machine politician you can love.

        In response to blahblahblah who said:

        what is truly pathetic is she cant handle situations as this, imagine if asomething happened in town and on a large scale…ITS SO TRUE that she was lost without lenz there to tell her what to say or do….in instances like this it shows she doesnt understand the police/fire role in our town, nor does she know how to prepare a statement….”if anyone sees wrecjage/debris dont touch it call PD….no shit, really, first off the area is CAUTIONED OFF WITH TAPE…any idiot who crosses it should be arrested……FREEBASIN, you all got on peter, its only fair game…..although he did what he did, he was still better equipped at running a city….

      • TACOMA says:

        Thank you Dawn for doing your job and doing it well. I want to thank you for taking command of the situation by Informing the public by making statements and answering questions. When I asked her what was going on she actually took the time to explain it to a bunch of us. Moreover thanks for having a open line of communication with the Hoboken police, jersey city police, Port Authority police, NTSB, FBI, NYC police and numerous emergency outlets. You showed true leadership in time of crisis. Moreover I want to thank you for taking a pay cut, eliminating the chief of staff position and riding your bike to town hall. I think you have done more in one week then the Cammarano would have done in 4years. Also I would rather see my mayor on tv with bug eyes vs being led away in HANDCUFFS!!! Thanks again you got my vote signed a former Beth Mason supporter!

        In response to blahblahblah who said:

        what is truly pathetic is she cant handle situations as this, imagine if asomething happened in town and on a large scale…ITS SO TRUE that she was lost without lenz there to tell her what to say or do….in instances like this it shows she doesnt understand the police/fire role in our town, nor does she know how to prepare a statement….”if anyone sees wrecjage/debris dont touch it call PD….no shit, really, first off the area is CAUTIONED OFF WITH TAPE…any idiot who crosses it should be arrested……FREEBASIN, you all got on peter, its only fair game…..although he did what he did, he was still better equipped at running a city….

      • matt_72 says:

        Well, I think his first week he was busy increasing spending so it was nice to see she did a 180 and cut spending. I hope this is just the 1st round of many.

        I do love how the Petey lovers wanted Zimmer to do a photo op and make a statement repeating everything that was already being said on every TV and radio station in the country about this accident. I guess these folks do so love their mayors that spend all day taking bribes and having their picture taken. I wonder which photogenic crook they will support next.

        In response to TACOMA who said:

        Thank you Dawn for doing your job and doing it well. I want to thank you for taking command of the situation by Informing the public by making statements and answering questions. When I asked her what was going on she actually took the time to explain it to a bunch of us. Moreover thanks for having a open line of communication with the Hoboken police, jersey city police, Port Authority police, NTSB, FBI, NYC police and numerous emergency outlets. You showed true leadership in time of crisis. Moreover I want to thank you for taking a pay cut, eliminating the chief of staff position and riding your bike to town hall. I think you have done more in one week then the Cammarano would have done in 4years. Also I would rather see my mayor on tv with bug eyes vs being led away in HANDCUFFS!!! Thanks again you got my vote signed a former Beth Mason supporter!

      • kaylak9 says:

        Hey all I said was her eyes were bugging right out of her head. Thought they would pop right our the her sockets an roll onto the floor!!!

        In response to freewheelin who said:

        So this is the way the Zimmer haters are going to play it from now on, huh? If she didn’t show up and make a statement, you’d say she didn’t care about Hoboken and was being negligent. When she does show up and make a statement, you say she’s meddling and has no idea what she’s doing. Then you go off on her eyes, her husband and anything else you can think of, and blame her for a typo on the city website, as if the mayor herself wrote it out and posted it (a mayor doesn’t have enough to do and has to be a webmaster too?). Some of you folks are truly pathetic.

      • Mary Anne says:

        What stupidity to comment on the Mayor’s eyes. Whoever you are you are pathetic.

        In response to kaylak9 who said:

        Hey all I said was her eyes were bugging right out of her head. Thought they would pop right our the her sockets an roll onto the floor!!!

      • freewheelin says:

        This is the best these jerks can come up with, Mary Anne. They have nothing substantial so they resort to physical appearance. They’re probably the same idiots who foam at the mouth saying Obama wasn’t born in America.

        In response to Mary Anne who said:

        What stupidity to comment on the Mayor’s eyes. Whoever you are you are pathetic.

      • kaylak9 says:

        hahahahehehehohohhahaha….

        In response to Mary Anne who said:

        What stupidity to comment on the Mayor’s eyes. Whoever you are you are pathetic.

      • mooshu says:

        S’all you said, alright. Doesn’t take much to get a few knickers in a twist ’round here, though.

        In response to kaylak9 who said:

        Hey all I said was her eyes were bugging right out of her head. Thought they would pop right our the her sockets an roll onto the floor!!!

      • fupa says:

        i guess you can’t notice sarcasm when you read it?

        In response to camel2 who said:

        Bullsh*t, that is no serious face. That is the “oh my god stan or lenz aren’t telling me what to say” face.

        The hoboken mayor had no real reason to be around, especially since she was hours behind the crash. Same with corzine. Equate that to the annoying office worker that meddles with the people doing the actual work. Or the school kid that tries taking credit for a project they had nothing to do with.

        Seriously, this event isn’t even a crisis anymore. They’re all dead, and it’s just a procedural clean up project at this point. Stop sticking your nose in everything dawn! What next? Will you have a press release daily as to what time the sun rises and sets? Really, dawn. Really.

        She couldn’t even spell correctly on her statement on the hoboken website.

        hobokennj.org/news/helicopter-and-s...de-and-falls-into-the-hudson-river/

        If you site idiocy call 911!

        Truly getting sick of the attention seeking bull our politicians need to feel good about themselves.

      • mooshu says:

        Dude, forget calling 911.

        If I earned a dime for each moment spent witnessing idioy, I’d be a billionaire.

        In response to camel2 who said:

        Bullsh*t, that is no serious face. That is the “oh my god stan or lenz aren’t telling me what to say” face.

        The hoboken mayor had no real reason to be around, especially since she was hours behind the crash. Same with corzine. Equate that to the annoying office worker that meddles with the people doing the actual work. Or the school kid that tries taking credit for a project they had nothing to do with.

        Seriously, this event isn’t even a crisis anymore. They’re all dead, and it’s just a procedural clean up project at this point. Stop sticking your nose in everything dawn! What next? Will you have a press release daily as to what time the sun rises and sets? Really, dawn. Really.

        She couldn’t even spell correctly on her statement on the hoboken website.

        hobokennj.org/news/helicopter-and-s...de-and-falls-into-the-hudson-river/

        If you site idiocy call 911!

        Truly getting sick of the attention seeking bull our politicians need to feel good about themselves.

      • homeworld says:

        Especially since I called 911 to report a crime once and they told me I had to hang up and call the Hoboken Police, anyway.

        In response to mooshu who said:

        Dude, forget calling 911.

        If I earned a dime for each moment spent witnessing idioy, I’d be a billionaire.

      • mooshu says:

        That moment’s worth more than a dime.

        In response to homeworld who said:

        Especially since I called 911 to report a crime once and they told me I had to hang up and call the Hoboken Police, anyway.

  9. kaylak9 says:

    Can someone please tell me WHAT THE HELL is with Dawn Zimmers eyes. Just saw her on the new and she looked so wigged out. Couldn’t even follow what we being said.

    • johnozed says:

      The previous occupant had $$ in his eyes. I guess it will take some time to get used to not seeing that anymore.

      In response to kaylak9 who said:

      Can someone please tell me WHAT THE HELL is with Dawn Zimmers eyes. Just saw her on the new and she looked so wigged out. Couldn’t even follow what we being said.

  10. homeworld says:

    The crash was Dawn Zimmer’s fault. She should know better than to stick her hand too close to an unknown aircraft while in the dog run.

    • emarche says:

      Impossible. She was too busy tanking the economy. Of course she was doing that in between causing global warming, funding the Taliban in Afghanistan and kicking puppies across America.

      Blahblahblah continues to live up to his name: a lot of blather, no substance, etc. I

      In response to homeworld who said:

      The crash was Dawn Zimmer’s fault. She should know better than to stick her hand too close to an unknown aircraft while in the dog run.

  11. Yes.We.Can. says:

    Anyone on this thread who has exploited such a human tragedy, the loss of life, to stick it to Dawn Zimmer, or to Peter Cammarano for that matter, is a massive A-HOLE. Massive. You should have been in that helicopter, you thoroughly insensitive MORON. Yes, I am talking about YOU.

    Perhaps if it were your significant other, child, friend, or relative pinned in one of those aircraft at the bottom of the Hudson River you would shut the f*ck up and resist using those 9 accidental deaths to revel in your hatred of a local politician.

    WTF is wrong with you?

  12. blahblahblah says:

    freewheelin, well said at least you will use this couple months to observe, other will just vote for her no matter what….TACOMAToyota…a press conf such as “if any residents who were at peir a and witnessed the traumatic accident, and are having emotional problems, please contact my office and we will see what we can have done” i dont need her to tell me what is going on, any fool can figure that out…How about addressing the RESIDENTS…btw, she was advised what to sya when she spoke…THAT IS A FACT….now how can you be mayor and have to have statements prepared for you…

    • johnozed says:

      “if any residents who were at peir a and witnessed the traumatic accident, and are having emotional problems, please contact my office and we will see what we can have done” i dont need her to tell me what is going on, any fool can figure that out…How about addressing the RESIDENTS…
      Well let’s see…the phrase asking the RESIDENTS who witnessed the collision to contact her, sounds like she is ADDRESSING THE RESIDENTS. Including the ones who were on PIER A (or peir a?) She was helped with what to ‘sya’ or ‘say’. I’m sure that perhaps blahblahblah wouldn’t need any help speaking on a national stage especially when spiel Czech ain’t cuttin’ it.

      In response to blahblahblah who said:

      freewheelin, well said at least you will use this couple months to observe, other will just vote for her no matter what….TACOMAToyota…a press conf such as “if any residents who were at peir a and witnessed the traumatic accident, and are having emotional problems, please contact my office and we will see what we can have done” i dont need her to tell me what is going on, any fool can figure that out…How about addressing the RESIDENTS…btw, she was advised what to sya when she spoke…THAT IS A FACT….now how can you be mayor and have to have statements prepared for you…

      • blahblahblah says:

        guess you cant notice sarcasm either when you see it….but keep going…yor almost there..

        In response to johnozed who said:

        “if any residents who were at peir a and witnessed the traumatic accident, and are having emotional problems, please contact my office and we will see what we can have done” i dont need her to tell me what is going on, any fool can figure that out…How about addressing the RESIDENTS…
        Well let’s see…the phrase asking the RESIDENTS who witnessed the collision to contact her, sounds like she is ADDRESSING THE RESIDENTS. Including the ones who were on PIER A (or peir a?) She was helped with what to ‘sya’ or ‘say’. I’m sure that perhaps blahblahblah wouldn’t need any help speaking on a national stage especially when spiel Czech ain’t cuttin’ it.

      • johnozed says:

        I am perhaps one of the most sarcastic and cynical as well as satirical people out there. Unfortunately some people need to have sarcasm pointed out online, it translates better, usually with a added to it. It’s OK if you’re not that savvy. Some people will wait up, but I cannot. And calling something sarcastic long after the fact makes for excellent back tracking! And I do enjoy the Residents. Third Reich & Roll was quite the concept album, would you agree? Who is this ‘yor’ of which you write? Do you mean Tor Johnson?

        In response to blahblahblah who said:

        guess you cant notice sarcasm either when you see it….but keep going…yor almost there..

      • johnozed says:

        It should have read : ‘Unfortunately some people need to have sarcasm pointed out online, it translates better, usually with (joke)added to it.’ That is the less than symbol followed by jk followed again by the greater than symbol.What I originally wrote turned out to be code and was read as such by the server, begging your pardon guv.

        In response to johnozed who said:

        I am perhaps one of the most sarcastic and cynical as well as satirical people out there. Unfortunately some people need to have sarcasm pointed out online, it translates better, usually with a added to it. It’s OK if you’re not that savvy. Some people will wait up, but I cannot. And calling something sarcastic long after the fact makes for excellent back tracking! And I do enjoy the Residents. Third Reich & Roll was quite the concept album, would you agree? Who is this ‘yor’ of which you write? Do you mean Tor Johnson?

    • TACOMA says:

      Tacoma Washington or maybe geography is not you strong point!. Moreover if you chose to be dumb and think that you have all the answers then maybe you should have listened to your boy Petey more then taking him for his word! I sat through zoning board meeting and new that he was in bed with the bad guys. Maybe if you asked questions you would not be in the position you are in. Defending a criminal. I like to examine the candidates for there actions NOT THERE WORDS!

      In response to blahblahblah who said:

      freewheelin, well said at least you will use this couple months to observe, other will just vote for her no matter what….TACOMAToyota…a press conf such as “if any residents who were at peir a and witnessed the traumatic accident, and are having emotional problems, please contact my office and we will see what we can have done” i dont need her to tell me what is going on, any fool can figure that out…How about addressing the RESIDENTS…btw, she was advised what to sya when she spoke…THAT IS A FACT….now how can you be mayor and have to have statements prepared for you…

      • blahblahblah says:

        actually i was refering to the truck, TOYOTA TACOMA…but then again you probably dont have car and use mommy and daddy’s. I dont have to listen to anyone, i live quit comfortable. I ask questions when its time to. ITS MY LIVING…”i like to examine the candidates for their actions NOT THERE WORDS….remember you said that….cause your shinning knight and savior has done NOTHING in her time on the council and will do nothing while being mayor and you will still vote for her cause your a groupie…

        In response to TACOMA who said:

        Tacoma Washington or maybe geography is not you strong point!. Moreover if you chose to be dumb and think that you have all the answers then maybe you should have listened to your boy Petey more then taking him for his word! I sat through zoning board meeting and new that he was in bed with the bad guys. Maybe if you asked questions you would not be in the position you are in. Defending a criminal. I like to examine the candidates for there actions NOT THERE WORDS!

      • TACOMA says:

        Wow if you think that I didn’t know you were thinking of a truck you are really dumb. A access cab? or regular cab? TRD? or standard package? its called sarcasm. Thank you for the kind words a about my mom and dad but unfortunately they passed some time ago and i had to put my self through college on my own dime and I work with my hands for a living! I moved to Hoboken 16 years ago. Also I own multiple vehicles and own multiple homes that i worked hard for. I pay huge taxes in this town. I think you are so pissed and plain dumb that you do not know what a yuppie is i.e someone who has mommy daddy send him through law school and wears oxford shirts and khaki pants moves to Hoboken 5 years ago from little falls. See if you would of listened to your lord maybe you would realize he was the biggest yuppie in Hoboken. Also you said you judge a candidate by “its my living” Are you afraid that the gravy train will be over for you? As for calling me a groupie Na I believed in B.S that this site and many other trashed her. I see with my own eyes. Remember I was a Mason supporter up until short time ago.

        In response to blahblahblah who said:

        actually i was refering to the truck, TOYOTA TACOMA…but then again you probably dont have car and use mommy and daddy’s. I dont have to listen to anyone, i live quit comfortable. I ask questions when its time to. ITS MY LIVING…”i like to examine the candidates for their actions NOT THERE WORDS….remember you said that….cause your shinning knight and savior has done NOTHING in her time on the council and will do nothing while being mayor and you will still vote for her cause your a groupie…

    • Imasucker Bravo says:

      Don’t US Presidents, Governors, Senators have statements prepared for them as well? Aren’t they called speech writers? Don’t they have advisors who tell them about certain situations.

      How can you be a politician in the USA and have to have statements prepared for you?

      In response to blahblahblah who said:

      freewheelin, well said at least you will use this couple months to observe, other will just vote for her no matter what….TACOMAToyota…a press conf such as “if any residents who were at peir a and witnessed the traumatic accident, and are having emotional problems, please contact my office and we will see what we can have done” i dont need her to tell me what is going on, any fool can figure that out…How about addressing the RESIDENTS…btw, she was advised what to sya when she spoke…THAT IS A FACT….now how can you be mayor and have to have statements prepared for you…

  13. HansBrix says:

    We’re back to bickering about politics. Order and normalcy have returned to the universe.

  14. TACOMA says:

    Thanks to all the emergency responders and recovery teams for a job well done!

  15. homeworld says:

    It looks like that new concrete pier came in handing for the recovery equipment

  16. elvisroberts says:

    spoke w nypd harbor unit guy yesterday and here’s what he told me. plus, was out on the water the last two days and here’s what i saw..

    Crime scene was jurisdiction of NYPD. It’s a crime scene when people don’t know what happened, and their jurisdiction actually extends to the high water line of the shore in NJ due to an act of the (colonial?) legislature from WAY back. FDNY took charge of the rescue, becuase they were first on the scene, but becuase they quickly realized there was no one to rescue, it is declared a crime scene and NYPD takes over.

    12th St pier became the extraction point because Hoboken OEM offered it up. NYC agencies couldnt decide WHICH pier to use etc etc due to the many agencies involved there, so NYPD took Hob up on their offer. Pier 40 at Houston St became the place to extract the bodies (and the head, and the arm, etc) since the NYC medical examiner is involved, and 12th St, Hoboken became the place to take out the material and debris. Then when the cage of the Helicopter got pulled with two of the deceased embedded in it that ended up at 12th St, so now the Hob or NJ Med Ex is involved with those two, while the NYC ME is handling the others.

    Most of the survey, soundings, side scan radar, and debris removal has been done by the US Army Corps of Engineers. The vessels HAYWARD, MORITZ, and HUDSON have all been involved. As of 6pm tonight I was stuck in “traffic” passing pier 40 while USCG had a “slow bell” zone between Castle Point and the Holland Tunnel vents. Looked like the HAYWARD was dropping off a chunk of the plane (or maybe the helicopter? I saw red stripes and big numbers) off at Pier 40.

    As for the 12th st pier, it was good that the outer 1/4 of the pier had timber pilings installed along the south side to help vessels “fend off” and not get damaged by the concrete deck of the pier. But as of tonight any fendering along the tip of the pier was completely demolished by the wear and tear. Much like Pier A – they build these things to be viewing platforms and never remember that a boat might actually have to come alongside some day. The JC Fire department and the USCG are tied up to the 50 year old pier just to the north tonight because that was actually built for boats. Pier C is a joke that way, there’s no where to land a boat unless a boat wants to arrive into a swarm of fishermen!

    But hey, that’s some sliding board. A real ass-burner, as many Hob teens will soon find out!

    Condolences to the families of the deceased. The whole episode reminds us that tragedies are much more frequent in this world than miracles.

    • bmacqueens says:

      Thank you for the update and info.

      I would suggest this as a miracle —

      Just a second or two of flight time in the wrong direction and the wreckage could have come down on the Sunday sunbathers and fishermen on Pier A. The body count on the ground could have been “many” instead of “zero.” We got lucky, in a sense.

      Or, this could have happened a little higher in the sky and come crashing down somewhere right inside Hoboken itself.

      Sad for the families, but lucky for the rest of us.

      In response to elvisroberts who said:

      spoke w nypd harbor unit guy yesterday and here’s what he told me. plus, was out on the water the last two days and here’s what i saw..

      Crime scene was jurisdiction of NYPD. It’s a crime scene when people don’t know what happened, and their jurisdiction actually extends to the high water line of the shore in NJ due to an act of the (colonial?) legislature from WAY back. FDNY took charge of the rescue, becuase they were first on the scene, but becuase they quickly realized there was no one to rescue, it is declared a crime scene and NYPD takes over.

      12th St pier became the extraction point because Hoboken OEM offered it up. NYC agencies couldnt decide WHICH pier to use etc etc due to the many agencies involved there, so NYPD took Hob up on their offer. Pier 40 at Houston St became the place to extract the bodies (and the head, and the arm, etc) since the NYC medical examiner is involved, and 12th St, Hoboken became the place to take out the material and debris. Then when the cage of the Helicopter got pulled with two of the deceased embedded in it that ended up at 12th St, so now the Hob or NJ Med Ex is involved with those two, while the NYC ME is handling the others.

      Most of the survey, soundings, side scan radar, and debris removal has been done by the US Army Corps of Engineers. The vessels HAYWARD, MORITZ, and HUDSON have all been involved. As of 6pm tonight I was stuck in “traffic” passing pier 40 while USCG had a “slow bell” zone between Castle Point and the Holland Tunnel vents. Looked like the HAYWARD was dropping off a chunk of the plane (or maybe the helicopter? I saw red stripes and big numbers) off at Pier 40.

      As for the 12th st pier, it was good that the outer 1/4 of the pier had timber pilings installed along the south side to help vessels “fend off” and not get damaged by the concrete deck of the pier. But as of tonight any fendering along the tip of the pier was completely demolished by the wear and tear. Much like Pier A – they build these things to be viewing platforms and never remember that a boat might actually have to come alongside some day. The JC Fire department and the USCG are tied up to the 50 year old pier just to the north tonight because that was actually built for boats. Pier C is a joke that way, there’s no where to land a boat unless a boat wants to arrive into a swarm of fishermen!

      But hey, that’s some sliding board. A real ass-burner, as many Hob teens will soon find out!

      Condolences to the families of the deceased. The whole episode reminds us that tragedies are much more frequent in this world than miracles.

    • homeworld says:

      Thanks for the summary. Good explanation.

      In response to elvisroberts who said:

      spoke w nypd harbor unit guy yesterday and here’s what he told me. plus, was out on the water the last two days and here’s what i saw..

      Crime scene was jurisdiction of NYPD. It’s a crime scene when people don’t know what happened, and their jurisdiction actually extends to the high water line of the shore in NJ due to an act of the (colonial?) legislature from WAY back. FDNY took charge of the rescue, becuase they were first on the scene, but becuase they quickly realized there was no one to rescue, it is declared a crime scene and NYPD takes over.

      12th St pier became the extraction point because Hoboken OEM offered it up. NYC agencies couldnt decide WHICH pier to use etc etc due to the many agencies involved there, so NYPD took Hob up on their offer. Pier 40 at Houston St became the place to extract the bodies (and the head, and the arm, etc) since the NYC medical examiner is involved, and 12th St, Hoboken became the place to take out the material and debris. Then when the cage of the Helicopter got pulled with two of the deceased embedded in it that ended up at 12th St, so now the Hob or NJ Med Ex is involved with those two, while the NYC ME is handling the others.

      Most of the survey, soundings, side scan radar, and debris removal has been done by the US Army Corps of Engineers. The vessels HAYWARD, MORITZ, and HUDSON have all been involved. As of 6pm tonight I was stuck in “traffic” passing pier 40 while USCG had a “slow bell” zone between Castle Point and the Holland Tunnel vents. Looked like the HAYWARD was dropping off a chunk of the plane (or maybe the helicopter? I saw red stripes and big numbers) off at Pier 40.

      As for the 12th st pier, it was good that the outer 1/4 of the pier had timber pilings installed along the south side to help vessels “fend off” and not get damaged by the concrete deck of the pier. But as of tonight any fendering along the tip of the pier was completely demolished by the wear and tear. Much like Pier A – they build these things to be viewing platforms and never remember that a boat might actually have to come alongside some day. The JC Fire department and the USCG are tied up to the 50 year old pier just to the north tonight because that was actually built for boats. Pier C is a joke that way, there’s no where to land a boat unless a boat wants to arrive into a swarm of fishermen!

      But hey, that’s some sliding board. A real ass-burner, as many Hob teens will soon find out!

      Condolences to the families of the deceased. The whole episode reminds us that tragedies are much more frequent in this world than miracles.

  17. fupa says:

    eventho the expert in that video said it was avoidable on both ends, it really looks like it was the planes fault.

    • whineanddineinhob says:

      ….and do you think the Titanic ran into the iceberg or vice versa. Just amazing.

      In response to fupa who said:

      eventho the expert in that video said it was avoidable on both ends, it really looks like it was the planes fault.

      • fupa says:

        duh it was totally the ice’s fault. hahahah jerk

        In response to whineanddineinhob who said:

        ….and do you think the Titanic ran into the iceberg or vice versa. Just amazing.

      • strand tramp says:

        fupa you hottie, where have you been?

        In response to fupa who said:

        duh it was totally the ice’s fault. hahahah jerk

      • fupa says:

        in the bathroom

        In response to strand tramp who said:

        fupa you hottie, where have you been?

  18. mooshu says:

    Sigh, yeah. I watched this vid yesterday evening. It is really an unfortunate collision. But having been on one of those Liberty Tours helicopters, once, I believe (and see) that that plane was flying too low.

    Honcho was right, although I’m not yet sure of why it was flying too low in the first place. Only time will tell…

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