Mayor no longer makes $130k

8/5/2009 Update:

411 gets results – salary still too high!

Hoboken411’s truth-filled article this morning resulted in a 10% reduction in the salary of the Hoboken Mayor – that many feel is still exorbitantly too high compared to other municipalities with much larger responsibilities.

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8/5/2009:

How much is too much?

If I had a dollar for every complaint about the size of Mayor David Roberts’ salary I ever saw on Hoboken411 I would have, well, something close to that salary!

In Hoboken, it’s long been custom for those who aren’t in power to complain about the salaries of those who are. Tonight the “new” city council will have a chance to change that, but will they?

An ordinance “Establishing the salaries of the Mayor, Council, and Department Heads” is on the agenda for Introduction and First Reading. It sets the base annual salary for the Mayor at $129,894 plus “benefits as set forth in the current Hoboken Municipal Supervisors Association.” How does nearly $130,000 a year compare to other municipalities in New Jersey? The answer may surprise you.

Read the rest after the jump!!!

Hoboken Mayor: Highest salary in Hudson County

At last count in 2006, the U.S. Census estimated there are just under 40,000 people living in our Mile Square. Jersey City has over 200,000 more people than Hoboken (and a much larger budget), yet tonight the council will move to pay the Mayor of Hoboken $35,000 more than the Mayor of the largest city in the county made in 2007. Bayonne, Union City, West New York and North Bergen each have far more people than Hoboken, but their Mayors are paid far less. In fact, Hoboken pays members of the City Council more than the MAYORS of most Hudson County Municipalities are paid!

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But wait, it gets worse!

New Jersey has four municipalities with more than 100,000 residents. Two of them (Newark and Jersey City) have more than 200,000. Among these four largest municipalities Hoboken pays it’s Mayor more than all but ONE of them.

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The Mayor of Elizabeth is Chris Bollwage. He’s been Mayor since 1992 and was a city councilman for 10 years before that. Compare his experience and responsibilities to that of our new “Acting Mayor” who will be paid more than $10,000 more just because she happened to be the Council President at a time when the Mayor resigned!

How did this happen?

For decades Hoboken’s city government and Board of Education has been controlled by public employees. Dave Roberts was a firefighter, Anthony Russo was a teacher, as was Pat Pasculli before him. Steve Cappiello was a policeman. The history of municipal employees running the show has lead to inflated pay scales not just in Hoboken, but New Jersey as a whole.

In 2001 when Russo was making $93,000 – a year all “reformers” cried foul.

Now that they’re in control of the council, will they reign in the Mayor’s runaway salary or just enjoy the fact that they are in a position to spend it?

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121 Comments on "Mayor no longer makes $130k"

Derrida
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Derrida

As a relatively disinterested observer, it seems as if the Old Time Hoboken crew has a bad case of sour grapes. Am I nuts to think that Cammarano people should sit back and let the new breed have its way? The Cammarano/Roberts people all cammpaigned and worked for a man who is about to spend his 30s and 40s and perhaps some of his 50s (thanks to the “ground into powder” comment) in a federal jail cell and you want your opinions and your wants and needs addressed? Are you stoned?
Dawn Zimmer will green you into apoplexy. She will put a granola stand at every street corner and she’s entitled.
It seems as if Mr. Cammarano put the born and breds out to pasture there ain’t nothing you can do about it. To the victor go the spoils, and for starters, Cammarano’s name should get blasted off the “Welcome to Hoboken” sign as fast as it went on.
I think if you really support Mr. Cammarano you should hire him a good personal trainer to start toughening up his gludius maximus, b/c he’s going to have to learn quickly how to tighten up once he gets into that prison cell.

jc5201
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jc5201

I re-watched the council meeting tonight (it’s much better watching it here with live commentary) and Kleinman was talking about the mayor’s salary.

The mayor’s salary was not cut 10%. He said that the salary was moved back to the original 130k Mayor Robert’s received before the council cut his salary 10% last year. So, in essence, our Acting Mayor is receiving the exact same pay as Mayor Roberts.

IndieCom
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….and 10% less than the most recent mayor that preceeded her.

In response to jc5201 who said:
I re-watched the council meeting tonight (it’s much better watching it here with live commentary) and Kleinman was talking about the mayor’s salary.

The mayor’s salary was not cut 10%. He said that the salary was moved back to the original 130k Mayor Robert’s received before the council cut his salary 10% last year. So, in essence, our Acting Mayor is receiving the exact same pay as Mayor Roberts.

upyurs
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upyurs

HOBOKEN 411- Will you be tracking Ms Zimmer campaign pledges the way you were Mr. Cammarano? I think it would be helpful for all

upyurs
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upyurs

I have 2 concerns about Ms Zimmer 10% cut in salary.
FIRST, in late March she had proposed a 15% cut in the Mayor salary but did not have the votes. Now that she has the votes why didn’t she ask for the 15% cut?
SECOND, While not getting the longevity pay, what about sick and vacation days? The Supv agreement that is quoted in the ordiance has those things. Also, how can the council vote for mayor and council items that the Supv. get when they are the ones approving that agreement. Isn’t that a conflict?

matt_72
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How does making a chairborne commando walk a beat impair public safety? How does slashing the number of useless paper pushers hurt public safety? How does having staffing levels (# of supervisors relative to rank & file) and compensation match what neighboring communities have impair public safety? How does making public safety workers work more efficiently impair public safety? How does making city workers share in the cost of their out of control bennies impair public safety? And how does making out of shape and/or smoking workers pay MORE for health coverage (not her idea, but one I hope she adopts) impair public safety? The answer is not at all. But if those ideas were implemented it would save a fortune. You see, I don’t subscribe to the notion that cutting spending impairs anything if the cuts are focused on wasteful spending. Hoboken wastes a fortune and can make plenty of cuts w/o impairing public safety. I would argue the wasteful spending is what impairs public safety in this town and if you are okay w/ the bloat, then you are to blame for impairing public safety. How many more beat cops (as if we have any to begin with) could we have if my ideas up above were implemented? (my guess would be 15-20) And I have no idea what you are talking about on affordable housing. The only change I want to see is no more allowing folks who make well into 6 figures get the benefit of… Read more »
mickey finn
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mickey finn
ok matt, i’m going to ask you again. give me one of zimmer’s ideas. everything you just said, were your plans. zimmer wanted to layoff the 16 brand new police officers… that’s not my idea of making public safety more efficient. who is that punishing? zimmer did not say neighboring communities, rather, she said cities of similar size. that is another impractical notion. name me one city that compares to hoboken… any mile square city in nj cannot compare to the scope of what hoboken has to offer. the number of residents, high rises, two tunnels… it is a transportation hub. so, for her to say that she would compare services of similar size towns is moronic. i never said that the “machine” was the answer. they’re all a bunch of crooks. however, i do not think that zimmer is the answer either. you cannot possibly believe that her plan to limit the amount of cars, and have more people ride bicycles, is practical. we have about 2-3 months of nice weather. WTF are we supposed to do in the winter months. what about all of us with children? are we supposed to have side cars for them? please, wake up! this granola eating quasi tree hugger is a joke! getting back to the “bennies” that you mentioned, i feel that if these men and women put their lives on the line everyday for us, who is anyone to limit their coverage. i’m sure you’re not much different than i… Read more »
frustratedtaxpayer
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frustratedtaxpayer
zimmer stated that “everything was on the table” re cost cuts and staff reductions. of course she wasn’t going to commit to any specifics without having the details. but her statement made her evil with the unions. if you looked at the org chart of the HPD and HFD you can see how upside down the departments are. how can the police chief make more than the police commish in NYC? do you not remember the nonsense with the SWAT team and the b.s. with Andriani and his boat and the police officers working in his backyard? have you seen the accrued sick leave and vacation pay these guys have – do you really think none of them have taken any vacations in the last 10 years? look at the utter BS in the union contracts – time off for weddings and christenings isn’t vacation time. heck, that’s even better than working for the federal government. and asking someone to contribute to their health care premiums (which is fairly standard for many companies) is not ” limiting their coverage”. Zimmer may not be the most experienced or have all the answers (and yes, she needs to focus more than just on the tree hugging issues) but i certainly trust her more than i did Cammarano – voting for the lesser of two evils. clearly you bought into his b.s. and took it hook, line and sinker and now you are just being a sore loser. since you are asking everyone… Read more »
matt_72
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No, Judy wanted to lay off the officers and demote a bunch of folks back to the status of rank & file. Get your facts straight. Zimmer never propsed cutting specific jobs, just aggregate spending cuts and the reallocation of desk jockeys to active duty status. Those officers could easily keep their jobs if there weren’t so many supervisors eating donuts back at HQ (that might explain why they all wear uniforms w/ a 5 handle pants size) and if the city just pulled back on compensation and bennies so Hoboken paid roughly what surrounding communities pay (pay and bennies combined). Here, read her site, stop drinking poison the crooks you tend to vote for spout. No need for me to repeat her ideas when her own site has them. http://zimmerforchange.com/index.php?page=display&id=6 As for that BS about “name me 1 city that has to offer what Hoboken has to offer”, how about we just compare Hoboken to just about every other city of comparable size and population. The only thing “unique” about Hoboken is its location, and to tell you the truth that has nothing to do w/ Hoboken. It still doesn’t justify paying folks more than what they can make in towns adjacent to Hoboken (which are also close to NYC), it still doesn’t justify paying folks more than they can make in Manhattan, it still doesn’t justify spending a good ten grand more per pupil to get a p1ss poor education, etc…. But go ahead and harp on stuff… Read more »
davidcdavid64
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davidcdavid64
Why do you bother with this guy. He either has a mental illness and is unaable to tell truth from fiction, he is really really stupid, or he has a need to attck zimmer for reasons he can’t state on line (anti semite, on the gravy train,city worker, friends of city workers, family of city workers, needs to stir up people before the election).He is afraid of what may happen to him so has to make thing up, embelish, etc. You can’t reason with someone when they are fearful. You can’t reason with people who are not able to reason. You could provide him with all the data in the world and it just won’t matter. This is a guy who has been attacking Zimmer from day one, but when his boy gets caught taking bribes he advocates patience. He doesn’t even see where is own internal logic is faulty. Patience with the criminal, attack the non criminal. It’s like some kind of bizzare joke that belongs on John Stewart or Letterman. He has no undertanding of how stupid he sounds, and you aren’t going to reach him. The pople who voted for Pc are going to vote that way again with the same patterns. they do not understand how they are ensuring their children get an inferior education, and why they will always be lower middle class. There is no undertanding of how their own actions effect them. yOU ARE NOT TALKING TO A REASONABLE ADULT. Your dealing with… Read more »
mickey finn
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mickey finn
recycling!, composting!, LED lights!, green technology!… matt, do you have your head up your ass?? WTF is that all about?? i just wasted five minutes reading complete gibberish. that’s dawn’s plan?? first of all, yes judy did impose layoffs and demotions. however, dawn didn’t approve her budget, because she claimed there were not enough cuts. so, don’t just make judy out to be the bad guy. as far as privatizing services, there is no greater way to destroy this town, then dividing it up with other towns. that just proves that dawn is a hypocrite… she claims she wants to bring hoboken back to the way it was. hoboken is unique because of the great services it provides. i have never been one to mess with police and fire, because they are like a standing army. they are there when you need them, and hope you never do. they provide a rich history in hoboken, and that’s what old hoboken is all about, not consolidating services, but preserving the ones you have. as far as revals go, all you’re doing there is chasing out all of the old timers that can’t afford to live here. so, once again, hypocrite!… dawn says, “i want hoboken to be more like it used to be” and in the next breath, “lets chase out all of the old timers that built this town”. real class act! matt, this is hoboken… try to change it and be prepared for the consequences. be careful what you… Read more »
matt_72
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They are a standing army and over half of them sit in the barracks all day eating donuts. As for the budget, keep twisting the truth beyond recognition. She abstained b/c Judy never provided any of the reports/data she was supposed to so the CC could make an informed decision. And Hoboken is unique b/c of the great services? Like what, one of the worst school systems in the state that also happens to be outrageously expensive? The ever so excellent towing & booting services? The potholes Hoboken so graciously provides on almost every street? How about the ever so lovely toxic astroturf? Or is it the “buy your own variances under the table” services they provide? What services does Hoboken provide that no other city provides? Have you ever even lived anywhere but Hoboken? Somehow I doubt it so how can you even comment on what other services other cities provide? As for revals – a hypocrite is someone who wants high pay for city workers, a bloated payroll, a high tax burden but refuses to pay for it, so that sir would be you. If the “old timers” want low taxes, then there is no reason they can’t have them if they vote for folks who control spending. Not my fault they voted for folks who drove the budget to insane levels and they can’t pay for it. Local services are a SHARED tax burden and we are supposed to all share equally in proportion to the value… Read more »
emarche
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Now wait just a second Matt – there are plenty off officers who are NOT sitting around in the barracks all day eating donuts. Why just yesterday I saw one taking a smoke break. During a traffic stop. That’s not a joke. We have some cops in town who do some fine work, but we also have a bunch of goons who basically “ended up” as cops. They’re in it for the pension, the gun and the right to act like thugs. And it looks like their days are numbered. In response to matt_72 who said: They are a standing army and over half of them sit in the barracks all day eating donuts. As for the budget, keep twisting the truth beyond recognition. She abstained b/c Judy never provided any of the reports/data she was supposed to so the CC could make an informed decision. And Hoboken is unique b/c of the great services? Like what, one of the worst school systems in the state that also happens to be outrageously expensive? The ever so excellent towing & booting services? The potholes Hoboken so graciously provides on almost every street? How about the ever so lovely toxic astroturf? Or is it the “buy your own variances under the table” services they provide? What services does Hoboken provide that no other city provides? Have you ever even lived anywhere but Hoboken? Somehow I doubt it so how can you even comment on what other services other cities provide? As for… Read more »
matt_72
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I never said ALL of them, I said half of them…….ha ha.

In response to emarche who said:
Now wait just a second Matt – there are plenty off officers who are NOT sitting around in the barracks all day eating donuts. Why just yesterday I saw one taking a smoke break. During a traffic stop.

That’s not a joke.

We have some cops in town who do some fine work, but we also have a bunch of goons who basically “ended up” as cops. They’re in it for the pension, the gun and the right to act like thugs. And it looks like their days are numbered.

Easy-E
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Destroy this town? Jesus Christ man, settle down. Destroy is a pretty dramatic word to use don’t you think? Here we go again, another guy who thinks making threats on the internet is going to change anything. “try to change it and be prepared for the consequences. be careful what you wish for” Really Mickey, Pandora’s Box is open, no way to make it all like it used to be. Did you see all those folks camped outside Cammarano’s house? You would never be able to do that in the old days. Keep threatening all you want. Fact of the matter is that right under your nose, the balance has shifted. I don’t know how she’s going to do it, but the town’s budget is ridiculous. I feel for anyone losing their job, but it might just happen here in Hoboken, just like it has all over the country. In response to mickey finn who said: recycling!, composting!, LED lights!, green technology!… matt, do you have your head up your ass?? WTF is that all about?? i just wasted five minutes reading complete gibberish. that’s dawn’s plan?? first of all, yes judy did impose layoffs and demotions. however, dawn didn’t approve her budget, because she claimed there were not enough cuts. so, don’t just make judy out to be the bad guy. as far as privatizing services, there is no greater way to destroy this town, then dividing it up with other towns. that just proves that dawn is a… Read more »
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