estevens reports: Voter Fraud?

6/5/2009:

Hoboken411 contributor (and “expert public records researcher”) estevens sent this report to me this morning. Here, he profiles the voting history one particular city employee Robert Lisa, who is the current acting Police Chief of Hoboken.

Who knew you could get such details about who voted and when! You can’t sneeze these days without there being a public record about it!

Hoboken Voter Checks In But Doesn’t Check Out

By estevens

robert-lisa-hoboken-nj-2“For as long as I’ve lived here, I’ve heard all manner of stories alleging voter fraud and election day game-playing. Dead people voting. Ballots cast using other people’s names. Residents voting early – and often. It’s difficult to discern what’s true and what’s urban myth.

I’ve been told that some old-timers move out of town but return to Hoboken to vote in our local elections. Loyalty to “This Thing of Ours” supposedly brings former residents back to vote for old-timey candidates who vow to keep the status quo. While I can’t say if this is true to any significant degree, I did come across one rather interesting case. (click to see documents)

Robert M. Lisa, Hoboken police captain and acting chief of police, bought a property in Raritan in 1997. He has apparently lived out of town for at least ten years, but that hasn’t kept him from continuing to vote in Hoboken elections. According to his voter history obtained from the Hudson County Superintendent of Elections, Lisa has voted in the 1999, 2001, 2003, 2005, and 2007 municipal elections for Mayor/Council. The Willow Avenue address he used is a rental property that he co-owns. Rent registration statements going back to 2000 do not show him residing in any of the units for any of those years. Only in September of 2008 did Lisa finally change his voter registration to properly indicate his Somerset County address. His change in registration was filed five months after he was named acting chief, a high-profile position in the wake of the SWAT team scandal and former chief Carmen LaBruno’s subsequent retirement.

Voters are required to register and vote in the county of their domicile. NJ Statute 19:34-12 states that “Every person not entitled to vote who fraudulently attempts to vote… shall be guilty of a crime of the third degree.” I doubt that anyone goes to jail over this sort of offense, but an officer of the law, particularly a high-ranking one who may be our next chief of police, should respect the laws of our state and be held to a higher standard.

This discovery certainly gives me reason to wonder how many other former Hobokenites are still voting in our local elections and subverting the election process for those who actually live here. It might be worth looking into.”

What do you think of his findings? Do you feel that this represents “inconclusive evidence” that voter fraud was committed?

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118 Comments on "estevens reports: Voter Fraud?"

Easy-E
Member

Anyone notice how when asked about anything BUT what Peter has accomplished, Naf is all over it like flies on turds?

Yeah, so about that Naf. What has Peter done in 4 years?

matt_72
Member

Yes – answers you can drive a truck through. I am sure his idea of a little taller has 2 digits too.

strand tramp
Member
strand tramp

my concern would be more for the 80 story buildings over the path station being approved with zero resistance. i expect THAT is the major push by the corrupt politicians/lawyers/unions. hoboken residents be damned.

camel2
Member
camel2

Cammarano went on record saying no building taller than the W, and along observer highway, no building taller than the existing buildings that are there now.

I don’t see 80 stories there…

In response to strand tramp who said:
my concern would be more for the 80 story buildings over the path station being approved with zero resistance. i expect THAT is the major push by the corrupt politicians/lawyers/unions. hoboken residents be damned.

IndieCom
Member

Actually what he said was that forever more the W should be the tallest building in Hoboken, it’s 27 stories tall. Even if this is an honest statement, it does not preclude many many many buildings in town from being up zoned to 26 stories….no thank you.

As far as the buildings along observer highway, he said that the buildings on the north side of observer highway should be used as a guide (basically to up zone the south side of Observer Highway in the same way that the north side of Observer Highway HAS ALREADY BEEN UP ZONED.) He definitely did NOT say no building taller than the existing buildings that are there now. So we can use the north side as the road map to up zoning the south side, only this time the buildings will be up zoned to 26 stories….unless, of course, they are commercial, in which case they can go a bit higher (yes, I caught that little pellet that he slipped into has answer at the debate.)

In response to camel2 who said:
Cammarano went on record saying no building taller than the W, and along observer highway, no building taller than the existing buildings that are there now.

I don’t see 80 stories there…

emarche
Member

Yes, that’s correct: he went on record saying just that, which means it can/will be one of the first campaign promises broken. Fantastic! Let the reign of error begin!

In response to camel2 who said:
Cammarano went on record saying no building taller than the W, and along observer highway, no building taller than the existing buildings that are there now.

I don’t see 80 stories there…

emarche
Member

Hang on there, tramp. Petey’s gonna bring back the cross-town shuttle!

Who cares where the money’s going to come from – it’s the cross-town shuttle! Sure he’s going to sell us all out and throw the keys to the city over to NJ Transit and their ridiculously oversized buildings, but come on: CROSS-TOWN SHUTTLE!

Said it before, I’ll say it again: he gets in, we’re doomed.

strand tramp
Member
strand tramp

NJ Transit is a client of cammarrannos’ law firm? i missed that bit of information. holy sh1t. no wonder so much money has lined up to get this 30yr old clown in the mayors office.
if he gets elected you people downtown will never see the sun again.

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