Cammarano, Zimmer on Cablevision

6/3/2009:

More Election Chatter

For those that have satellite or FiOS TV – here’s a mini-debate between Peter Cammarano and Dawn Zimmer that they’re currently airing on Cablevision channel 18.

(Thanks estevens for the rip!)

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131 Comments on "Cammarano, Zimmer on Cablevision"

estevens
Member

My numbers are straight from the city budgets.

So what if the HFD is without a contract? You’ll get a nice lump sum of retroactive pay just like the HPD did. Plus I understand that employees get regular annual increases in addition to contractual raises – is that true?

I’ll bitch about ALL the culprits, thanks.

estevens
Member

if you knew anything about city government and the budget, you would know that the combined budget for public safety has been considerably lower due to all of the retirements in the last three years.

Total Public Safety Paid/Charged

2001 $19,466,872
2002 $21,940,183
2003 $22,112,176
2004 $23,313,567
2005 $25,346,528
2006 $26,007,993
2007 $27,759,774
2008 $31,178,849 (includes $2M retroactive pay for prior years – contract settlement)
2009 $30,191,584 (appropriated)

Looks like yearly increases to me.

mickey finn
Member
mickey finn

your numbers are not accurate. hfd’s payroll has been down 150,000 every pay period since 2007… hpd may have increased slightly due to a one shot retro due to the city not settling their contract in a timely fashion. BTW, hfd is w/o a contract since 2007. we are not the problem, we have provided solutions. i’d love to know why you and matt 72 don’t bitch about the true culprits which are the COUNTY and the BOARD OF ED. they comprise a whole lot more of the tax dollar then public safety.

In response to estevens who said:
if you knew anything about city government and the budget, you would know that the combined budget for public safety has been considerably lower due to all of the retirements in the last three years.

Total Public Safety Paid/Charged

2001 $19,466,872
2002 $21,940,183
2003 $22,112,176
2004 $23,313,567
2005 $25,346,528
2006 $26,007,993
2007 $27,759,774
2008 $31,178,849 (includes $2M retroactive pay for prior years – contract settlement)
2009 $30,191,584 (appropriated)

Looks like yearly increases to me.

matt_72
Member

Oh – so you are saying the budget wasn’t up for the last few years now? Come on now. Roberts came in when the budget was in something like the 50s and now we are north of 100 yet if you look at the rate of population growth, inflation and the fact that Hoboken is still the exact same size it was 50 years ago, you can’t justify that level of increase. You are too fixated on how much you paid in taxes (courtesy of all those PILOTs) and not at all paying attention to the big picture, the budget. Those 1 time front loaded PILOTs, the deferring of bills/expenditures into future periods and the mortaging of that garage weren’t going to hide the overspending forever. That is why we got a big tax hike last year……duh.

And FYI – I have been complaining about government spending since 1991 (when I learned how screwed I was when it came to social security). So please, don’t even go there. Just because there is no record of me complaining about Hoboken’s overspending until a few years ago when I discovered this site doesn’t mean I didn’t complain about it. I realized NJ (and a good number of its cities) were spending dollars like they were out of fashion a long time before then.

mickey finn
Member
mickey finn

the budget is up because us tax payers were given a holiday for the last 12 yrs. no complaints matt! you weren’t complaining then! you’re like that antonucci character… what happened? did you lose your job as well? and now it’s time to blame the city workers because you got shafted? if you knew anything about city government and the budget, you would know that the combined budget for public safety has been considerably lower due to all of the retirements in the last three years. that’s ok, they won’t hold it against you. they will still drag your ass out of a burning building or keep your streets safe. it’s kind of like that unconditional love public safety workers have for the citizens they protect. so keep whipping us with the belt matt… we’re still here to serve you.

Easy-E
Member
Sorry if this is a new thing to you, it is to a lot of people. How often is there a downturn in the economy? Once every 20-30 years? When that happens, and everyone, not just Wall St. is suffering the consequences, people look for ways to save money. Trying to lower the tax burden is no different then cutting back on other expenses. My work mostly comes from advertising. I am self employed, and I’ve already had 2 months not working this year. I know many people who are either in the same boat, not working at all or just simply lost their jobs. Why? People have cut back on spending which tickles down and affects my business. The reality everyone who doesn’t work for the government has to deal with is longer hours, no raises, retirement packages dwindling, cutting back or lack of health benefits. At some point, people are going to notice where their tax dollars are going to, and no time is more likely than when the economy is in the shitter. I know firefighters in JC and Bayonne, I know very well what kind of a deal they get, Hoboken is no different. Not to suggest it isn’t deserved, it’s a hard dangerous job. It’s a commendable profession that not everyone is capable of. I think that some people here are too dismissive of it to be honest, because they only notice the fuckups and the bad apples and think they represent everyone. Even still,… Read more »
matt_72
Member

But Mickey – thanks for at least not admitting you were dead wrong on Petey’s portrayal of the budget.

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