Carol Marsh Retrospective

Carol Marsh in Hoboken: A political life in fliers

5/11/2009:

I spent some time looking back at the Hoboken411 posts of the candidates for Council-at-Large and was surprised when I realized I never got around to putting the spotlight on Carol Marsh.

Time is short, so this will be kind of a “picture essay” of her political career. You probably know Marsh is on Dawn Zimmer’s slate and has been on the council once before. She was “plucked” from obscurity in 2001 to be the lone female candidate on Dave Roberts’ first Mayoral ticket. They were elected with the full weight of the Hudson County Democratic Organization – and then-State Senator Bernie Kenny – behind them.

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Then what was Carol Marsh all about?

By 2003 Marsh was persuaded to “break” from Roberts and support a group of council candidates that were weren’t happy with the way he was running the city. Among them, Beth Mason in the second ward and Ines Garcia-Keim in the fifth. Every one of them lost. In 2005, Marsh ran against Roberts for Mayor. Mason was her campaign chair and Garcia-Keim was on her council slate. They attacked the HCDO as the “county machine” that was ruining Hoboken. In response, the machine returned fire:

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Roberts beat Marsh by over 1500 votes in the 2005 runoff. Carol disappeared from public view, but her political mentor Michael Lenz was already planning a comeback with the HCDO. Marsh came along for the ride, and agreed to rejoin the machine for a run for State Assembly. The same political flier maker who did the Roberts ads against her in 2005 did this ad for Marsh in 2007:

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Marsh’s return to the HCDO and Mason’s decision to run her own city council campaign independent of them opened a schism between the two. Meanwhile, Marsh ran with the support of Dave Roberts and Bernie Kenny, and stood with them to endorse Frank Raia:

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Many were shocked Marsh would again cozy up to Roberts. After she lost the Assembly race Marsh was made Vice Chairwoman of the HCDO. According to Dawn Zimmer’s deposition, Marsh was involved in getting HCDO support for Zimmer’s council race. Now, it’s Marsh who is on Zimmer’s ticket opposing the Mason Team effort chaired by Garcia-Keim, who may be appointed to the Second Ward seat if Mason wins the race for Mayor. That’s the Marsh story in a nutshell!

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52 Comments on "Carol Marsh Retrospective"

Margaret
Member

all she did was whine on the council, whine about whatever issues were brought up and left when the going got too hot for her to get a job with the county.

I am glad she lost!

AndThenOneDay
Member
AndThenOneDay

You must be referring to her mayoral run. She got the MOST votes last night. Kudos 411…

In response to Margaret who said:
all she did was whine on the council, whine about whatever issues were brought up and left when the going got too hot for her to get a job with the county.

I am glad she lost!

matt_72
Member

First of all, I don’t consider not going to a swearing in poor sportsmanship.

Second of all, even if it were, it beats the alternatives. I vote on the issues, not on if someone’s feelings were hurt b/c their opponent didn’t show up. So I won’t vote for folks who got on the ballot b/c of who daddy works for, what politically connected family backs them or lives in an affordable housing building despite making 6 figures. Those sorts of folks I won’t vote for because of where they stand on the issues, no matter how good a sport or drinking buddy they may be. But that is me. So go ahead and vote for the “good sports” & I hope when you get your next tax hike, you are a “good sport” about it.

Journey
Member
Journey

Tradition for tradition sake is silly way to live of vote.

On the other hand, going to the swearing in of an opponent shows good sportsmanship.

matt_72
Member

Its a tradition? Wow, maybe they ought to put that in the manual. First I ever heard of this tradition. My guess is the 20 or so folks who religously go to all these meetings are the only folks aware of this tradition or that even think it is even a minimally important issue. God forbid someone not take part in a meaningless tradition.

I don’t vote for people b/c of some tradition, I vote for them b/c their political agenda best reflect what I want to see the city council accomplish (mayor too). I don’t care if they wear pink underwear on their heads or make out w/ goats so long as they pursue an agenda that will tackle the budget, control development & hopefully cut taxes. Shoot, it is a tradition in this town to stick it to the taxpayer and that is one tradition I certainly would never vote for.

SmartyJones
Member
SmartyJones

What #59 said. Ta ta ta two timezzzzzz.

Now our ole rolly polly friend. Are you on some special protected list because I posted an njdotcom link on the other thread correcting you on this and it went into hold mode and then never appeared?

Hmmm.

I’ve handled the Marsh issue because I wanted to vote for an independent candidate. I am supporting Chris Carbine. Just found out one of my neighbors is too.

In response to matt_72 who said:
Its a tradition? Wow, maybe they ought to put that in the manual. First I ever heard of this tradition. My guess is the 20 or so folks who religously go to all these meetings are the only folks aware of this tradition or that even think it is even a minimally important issue. God forbid someone not take part in a meaningless tradition.

I don’t vote for people b/c of some tradition, I vote for them b/c their political agenda best reflect what I want to see the city council accomplish (mayor too). I don’t care if they wear pink underwear on their heads or make out w/ goats so long as they pursue an agenda that will tackle the budget, control development & hopefully cut taxes. Shoot, it is a tradition in this town to stick it to the taxpayer and that is one tradition I certainly would never vote for.

Katie_Scarlett
Member

Jolly- Get your facts straight and yea, I agree with Matt, you need to grow up:
1. Tony booked a vacation and was out of town starting on 7/1/05
2. Re: the Doug Snyder RUMOR–Doug Snyder was getting poll number information, was admonished by Sam Briggs of the Zimmer campaign as he was acting on his own and NOT under the authority of the campaign–they had someone who was legitimately allowed to get poll information gathering it
3. The Spanish speaking electioneer was admonished by Casey Jason, attorney for Mason’s campaign, and her electioneering was confirmed by a poll worker.

Thanks and have a nice day.

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