Carol Marsh Retrospective

Carol Marsh in Hoboken: A political life in fliers

5/11/2009:

I spent some time looking back at the Hoboken411 posts of the candidates for Council-at-Large and was surprised when I realized I never got around to putting the spotlight on Carol Marsh.

Time is short, so this will be kind of a “picture essay” of her political career. You probably know Marsh is on Dawn Zimmer’s slate and has been on the council once before. She was “plucked” from obscurity in 2001 to be the lone female candidate on Dave Roberts’ first Mayoral ticket. They were elected with the full weight of the Hudson County Democratic Organization – and then-State Senator Bernie Kenny – behind them.

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Then what was Carol Marsh all about?

By 2003 Marsh was persuaded to “break” from Roberts and support a group of council candidates that were weren’t happy with the way he was running the city. Among them, Beth Mason in the second ward and Ines Garcia-Keim in the fifth. Every one of them lost. In 2005, Marsh ran against Roberts for Mayor. Mason was her campaign chair and Garcia-Keim was on her council slate. They attacked the HCDO as the “county machine” that was ruining Hoboken. In response, the machine returned fire:

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Roberts beat Marsh by over 1500 votes in the 2005 runoff. Carol disappeared from public view, but her political mentor Michael Lenz was already planning a comeback with the HCDO. Marsh came along for the ride, and agreed to rejoin the machine for a run for State Assembly. The same political flier maker who did the Roberts ads against her in 2005 did this ad for Marsh in 2007:

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Marsh’s return to the HCDO and Mason’s decision to run her own city council campaign independent of them opened a schism between the two. Meanwhile, Marsh ran with the support of Dave Roberts and Bernie Kenny, and stood with them to endorse Frank Raia:

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Many were shocked Marsh would again cozy up to Roberts. After she lost the Assembly race Marsh was made Vice Chairwoman of the HCDO. According to Dawn Zimmer’s deposition, Marsh was involved in getting HCDO support for Zimmer’s council race. Now, it’s Marsh who is on Zimmer’s ticket opposing the Mason Team effort chaired by Garcia-Keim, who may be appointed to the Second Ward seat if Mason wins the race for Mayor. That’s the Marsh story in a nutshell!

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71 Responses

  1. kal-el says:

    this was better then one life to live ! what a soap opera.who’s sleeping with who ? who died and came back to life ? WOW

    • Katie_Scarlett says:

      LOL It is, It is!!! Of course, on OLTL we have the Colombia (said with thick accent) storyline going on too, which this race seems to lack, but what the hell, right? This is still good stuff. 😀

      Jolly- They didn’t attend the swearing in ceremony – which would be what, the FIRST meeting of the NEW council? Highly different than your first post on the subject. Now you want to spin it that they disappeared. Funny thing is, between 2005 and now, I’ve known Tony was involved in politics, and I barely paid attention before the 2007 elections.

      In response to kal-el who said:

      this was better then one life to live ! what a soap opera.who’s sleeping with who ? who died and came back to life ? WOW

      • matt_72 says:

        This has to be the most trivial and juvenile critique to date. Meanwhile, he continues to pretend the real issues in this race are non-issues. What will be next? Marsh is unfit b/c she wore white after Labor Day last year?

        In response to Katie_Scarlett who said:

        LOL It is, It is!!! Of course, on OLTL we have the Colombia (said with thick accent) storyline going on too, which this race seems to lack, but what the hell, right? This is still good stuff. 😀

        Jolly- They didn’t attend the swearing in ceremony – which would be what, the FIRST meeting of the NEW council? Highly different than your first post on the subject. Now you want to spin it that they disappeared. Funny thing is, between 2005 and now, I’ve known Tony was involved in politics, and I barely paid attention before the 2007 elections.

  2. JollyRoger says:

    katie, matt_72-

    The fact that you are calling me juvenile and do not see the serious problem with Soares and Marsh is ironic, to put it mildly.

    To recap:

    1. It is TRADITION to attend the swearing in of the new Council and show support. Soares and Marsh ACTED LIKE BABIES: imagine if McCain or G.W. Bush did not attend the Obama swearing in ceremony. Do you really want to vote for babies?

    IMHO Tony should never run again: people remember how crazy and unpredictable he was and I suspect still is.

    And let’s be honest here: Tony constantly verbally abuses people, even those who supported him (myself included) because he feels entitled due to his disability, which is a shame.

    2. And perhaps most importantly: do you want to vote for a baby (Marsh) who re-appears on the ballot secretly along with one of the MOST CORRUPT organizations in one of the most corrupt states?

    Oh and BTW, how about Doug Snyder violating the election law? He is registered to vote at his primary residence in Glen Ridge, NJ (Essex County) and today a poll challenger caught him trying to vote in Hoboken.

    That’s your girl Dawn: fast and lose with the law.

  3. Katie_Scarlett says:

    Jolly- Get your facts straight and yea, I agree with Matt, you need to grow up:
    1. Tony booked a vacation and was out of town starting on 7/1/05
    2. Re: the Doug Snyder RUMOR–Doug Snyder was getting poll number information, was admonished by Sam Briggs of the Zimmer campaign as he was acting on his own and NOT under the authority of the campaign–they had someone who was legitimately allowed to get poll information gathering it
    3. The Spanish speaking electioneer was admonished by Casey Jason, attorney for Mason’s campaign, and her electioneering was confirmed by a poll worker.

    Thanks and have a nice day.

    • JollyRoger says:

      Feel free to attack me – that does not change the truth.

      OK, so you acknowledge that Tony Soares and Carol Marsh avoided the re-org Coungil meeting in 05, against all tradition in this town. Good, we agree.

      Amazing how you know where Tony was in 2005, but claim you were not involved at the time. I’d say you’re being fed BS from the Zimmer campaign. But even BS does not help get their lies straight. Nor does it help improve Tony’s temper – perhaps Prozac could. :-)

      As for today’s voting, I read about the 4th ward on another blog (I suspect the same one as you).

      BTW, what was Snyder doing in Hoboken to begin with, given that he’s not registered to vote here? You would think he’d know the rules, given that he was a campaign manager for Zimmer and Kids First. But than again he is also the guy who was involved with voter harassment in 2007. Dawn knows how to pick all the bullies.

      As for the Spanish speaking person, I worked as a challenger and recall that rule: you may bring a foreign speaking person to help you with voting procedure in the booth, provided the person is authorized. The fact that the ballots are bilingual is irrelevant. So before accusing me of anything check your facts with a legitimate source – Tony Soares doesn’t count as one.

      The Zimmertini’s can admonish whoever they want to, their actions speak louder than their words.

      In response to Katie_Scarlett who said:

      Jolly- Get your facts straight and yea, I agree with Matt, you need to grow up:
      1. Tony booked a vacation and was out of town starting on 7/1/05
      2. Re: the Doug Snyder RUMOR–Doug Snyder was getting poll number information, was admonished by Sam Briggs of the Zimmer campaign as he was acting on his own and NOT under the authority of the campaign–they had someone who was legitimately allowed to get poll information gathering it
      3. The Spanish speaking electioneer was admonished by Casey Jason, attorney for Mason’s campaign, and her electioneering was confirmed by a poll worker.

      Thanks and have a nice day.

  4. matt_72 says:

    Its a tradition? Wow, maybe they ought to put that in the manual. First I ever heard of this tradition. My guess is the 20 or so folks who religously go to all these meetings are the only folks aware of this tradition or that even think it is even a minimally important issue. God forbid someone not take part in a meaningless tradition.

    I don’t vote for people b/c of some tradition, I vote for them b/c their political agenda best reflect what I want to see the city council accomplish (mayor too). I don’t care if they wear pink underwear on their heads or make out w/ goats so long as they pursue an agenda that will tackle the budget, control development & hopefully cut taxes. Shoot, it is a tradition in this town to stick it to the taxpayer and that is one tradition I certainly would never vote for.

    • SmartyJones says:

      What #59 said. Ta ta ta two timezzzzzz.

      Now our ole rolly polly friend. Are you on some special protected list because I posted an njdotcom link on the other thread correcting you on this and it went into hold mode and then never appeared?

      Hmmm.

      I’ve handled the Marsh issue because I wanted to vote for an independent candidate. I am supporting Chris Carbine. Just found out one of my neighbors is too.

      In response to matt_72 who said:

      Its a tradition? Wow, maybe they ought to put that in the manual. First I ever heard of this tradition. My guess is the 20 or so folks who religously go to all these meetings are the only folks aware of this tradition or that even think it is even a minimally important issue. God forbid someone not take part in a meaningless tradition.

      I don’t vote for people b/c of some tradition, I vote for them b/c their political agenda best reflect what I want to see the city council accomplish (mayor too). I don’t care if they wear pink underwear on their heads or make out w/ goats so long as they pursue an agenda that will tackle the budget, control development & hopefully cut taxes. Shoot, it is a tradition in this town to stick it to the taxpayer and that is one tradition I certainly would never vote for.

    • JollyRoger says:

      The fact that you haven’t heard about the tradition just shows your ignorance on the matter. BTW, it’s standing room only.

      In response to matt_72 who said:

      Its a tradition? Wow, maybe they ought to put that in the manual. First I ever heard of this tradition. My guess is the 20 or so folks who religously go to all these meetings are the only folks aware of this tradition or that even think it is even a minimally important issue. God forbid someone not take part in a meaningless tradition.

      I don’t vote for people b/c of some tradition, I vote for them b/c their political agenda best reflect what I want to see the city council accomplish (mayor too). I don’t care if they wear pink underwear on their heads or make out w/ goats so long as they pursue an agenda that will tackle the budget, control development & hopefully cut taxes. Shoot, it is a tradition in this town to stick it to the taxpayer and that is one tradition I certainly would never vote for.

      • strand tramp says:

        yeah, it has been standing room only because historically it’s almost a family reunion.

        In response to JollyRoger who said:

        The fact that you haven’t heard about the tradition just shows your ignorance on the matter. BTW, it’s standing room only.

      • matt_72 says:

        I’ve only been living in this banana republic a few cycles. I actually spent the majority of my life in communities where you had competitive elections & a government that wasn’t controlled by a small clique of residents. So yeah, guess the kleptocracy of Hoboken is a bit different than the rest of the nation. Most communities don’t keep attendance at swearing in ceremonies.

        But given the amount of mud being slung about, can’t say as I would blame any loser for not showing up for a swearing in. I’d hazard to guess that getting teeth pulled w/o a pain killer might be more fun.

        Still can’t believe you actually care what so ever about something as trivial as this. Shoot – Mason’s got a massively ugly nose and you don’t see me saying that I won’t vote for her b/c of something as trivial as that. I guess when you can’t discuss the issues and you run out of mud you have to find something else?

        In response to JollyRoger who said:

        The fact that you haven’t heard about the tradition just shows your ignorance on the matter. BTW, it’s standing room only.

      • JollyRoger says:

        Why would anyone in their right mind vote for a person who does not support good sportsmanship (again, thank you Journey)? It’s like you want corruption and back-stabbing.

        But then again Marsh and Soares never got anything done while on the Council. However funny it may be, constant whining and complaining at the Council meetings doesn’t count as an accomplishment.

        In response to matt_72 who said:

        I’ve only been living in this banana republic a few cycles. I actually spent the majority of my life in communities where you had competitive elections & a government that wasn’t controlled by a small clique of residents. So yeah, guess the kleptocracy of Hoboken is a bit different than the rest of the nation. Most communities don’t keep attendance at swearing in ceremonies.

        But given the amount of mud being slung about, can’t say as I would blame any loser for not showing up for a swearing in. I’d hazard to guess that getting teeth pulled w/o a pain killer might be more fun.

        Still can’t believe you actually care what so ever about something as trivial as this. Shoot – Mason’s got a massively ugly nose and you don’t see me saying that I won’t vote for her b/c of something as trivial as that. I guess when you can’t discuss the issues and you run out of mud you have to find something else?

      • Journey says:

        I’m not saying this has to do with anyone running…

        Someone could just as easily have false good sportmanship as some could have false humility. Just play acting because they want to look ‘right’.

        In response to JollyRoger who said:

        Why would anyone in their right mind vote for a person who does not support good sportsmanship (again, thank you Journey)? It’s like you want corruption and back-stabbing.

        But then again Marsh and Soares never got anything done while on the Council. However funny it may be, constant whining and complaining at the Council meetings doesn’t count as an accomplishment.

  5. Journey says:

    Tradition for tradition sake is silly way to live of vote.

    On the other hand, going to the swearing in of an opponent shows good sportsmanship.

    • JollyRoger says:

      Thank you Journey – that’s the term I was missing: good sportsmanship.

      In response to Journey who said:

      Tradition for tradition sake is silly way to live of vote.

      On the other hand, going to the swearing in of an opponent shows good sportsmanship.

  6. matt_72 says:

    First of all, I don’t consider not going to a swearing in poor sportsmanship.

    Second of all, even if it were, it beats the alternatives. I vote on the issues, not on if someone’s feelings were hurt b/c their opponent didn’t show up. So I won’t vote for folks who got on the ballot b/c of who daddy works for, what politically connected family backs them or lives in an affordable housing building despite making 6 figures. Those sorts of folks I won’t vote for because of where they stand on the issues, no matter how good a sport or drinking buddy they may be. But that is me. So go ahead and vote for the “good sports” & I hope when you get your next tax hike, you are a “good sport” about it.

  7. Margaret says:

    all she did was whine on the council, whine about whatever issues were brought up and left when the going got too hot for her to get a job with the county.

    I am glad she lost!

    • AndThenOneDay says:

      You must be referring to her mayoral run. She got the MOST votes last night. Kudos 411…

      In response to Margaret who said:

      all she did was whine on the council, whine about whatever issues were brought up and left when the going got too hot for her to get a job with the county.

      I am glad she lost!

  8. Naf says:

    Well, her alliance with the Russo doesn’t matter because Katie just said alliances are made to be broken … or does that only apply when she is spinning for Zimmer et al?

    In response to Colin who said:

    Lots of stuff about Carol and the HCDO today. The other day was Cammarano and his paternity.

    Do you think we’ll get something today about Beth’s association with the Russo’s? Maybe Mike Russo’s endorsement of Beth for mayor? The Russo’s have done enough in this town over the years for multiple stories today. I look forward to seeing some today

  9. Naf says:

    I know. I just wanted to bring up the absurdity of those who keep harping on the Mason’s and Cammarano’s alliances as if Zimmer isn’t (and hasn’t been) lying with dogs with just as many (if not more fleas.

    In response to Colin who said:

    Naf,

    I’m just saying we’ve seen a lot of posts/articles/whatever you want to call it about Zimmer folks and Cammarano. Nothing about Beth yet.

    All 3 main candidates have their positives and negatives. We’ve certainly seen the negatives of Cammarano and some Zimmer folks. We have yet to see anything about the negatives of Beth, which in my mind is the association with the Russo’s.

  10. Colin says:

    I hear you. Sadly for me my perfect candidate for Hoboken, Rudy Giuliani, doesn’t live here.

    In the meantime I’ll take Dawn over the rest

    In response to Naf who said:

    I know. I just wanted to bring up the absurdity of those who keep harping on the Mason’s and Cammarano’s alliances as if Zimmer isn’t (and hasn’t been) lying with dogs with just as many (if not more fleas.

  11. JollyRoger says:

    OK for the last time: what proof of Beth’s alleged alliance with Russos do you actually have?

    You keep talking about it, but there is no evidence. Just the rumors and fabrications, coming from the other two campaigns.

    In response to Katie_Scarlett who said:

    It applies across the board. The only thing I will say about the Russo alliance is that given Beth’s supposed integrity and transparent gov’t platform, it hurts her more than others to then go and align with that family (and make what appear to be back door deals). Not to mention that the Russo’s actually owe the city $300,000 (well ex-mayor Russo owes the money, the rest of them probably just benefited from his thievery). These other goons that people jump in and out of bed with don’t have an actual judgment against them.

    I liken it to when republicans get caught having sex at rest stop bathrooms. Sure, it’s sordid, but it wouldn’t have been nearly as bad if the guy was not a gay-bashing republican. Or you can compare it to Spitzer getting taken down for using prostitutes. If he weren’t such a law & order type of guy, it wouldn’t have been as big of a deal. You know what I mean?

    All her political wrangling & alliances with suspicious types makes me say this with 100% honesty: I was for Beth before I was against her. . .

  12. Colin says:

    Dude, Seriously? C’mon man. You don’t have to deny it.

    It’s obvious from the CT closed door meeting, Beth’s CT vote, the signs at the Russo social club, The Russo endorsement, Michelle Russo on Beth’s facebook page, The Russo’s pushing CT people to vote for Beth, the candidate’s Beth chose to be on her slate, etc….

    Please don’t insult our intelligence.

    In response to JollyRoger who said:

    OK for the last time: what proof of Beth’s alleged alliance with Russos do you actually have?

    You keep talking about it, but there is no evidence. Just the rumors and fabrications, coming from the other two campaigns.

  13. Journey says:

    How about the fact that Russo and Castelano have thrown their support to Beth. Walk past Anthony Russo Civic association lately?

    In response to JollyRoger who said:

    OK for the last time: what proof of Beth’s alleged alliance with Russos do you actually have?

    You keep talking about it, but there is no evidence. Just the rumors and fabrications, coming from the other two campaigns.

  14. Katie_Scarlett says:

    In addition to whatever Colin put down: Mike Russo (son of thieving mayor Russo) sent out his endorsement of Beth last week. The RUSSO Civic Association has Mason posters up. Castellano (Russo’s godmother and/or blood relative and voting bloc member) endorsed Mason. Short of Beth and Mikey having sex in public or something equally as ludicrous, I’m not sure how much more proof you need????

    In response to JollyRoger who said:

    OK for the last time: what proof of Beth’s alleged alliance with Russos do you actually have?

    You keep talking about it, but there is no evidence. Just the rumors and fabrications, coming from the other two campaigns.

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