Parking confusion must stop!

6/7/2010 Update:

Confusing markings still bait and switch residents…

As you know, the signage and curb markings in Hoboken are an absolute nightmare in most places. Some corners have no yellow paint, others have ambiguous markings, all with a similar result – a resident getting a parking summons. When will the city stop ill-communicating?

An anonymous Hoboken411 reader chimes in about the problem:

“Last week, I received a $54 ticket for parking within 25 ft of the crosswalk. I was parked on Adams Street and 12th. The car on the other side of the street was also ticketed. As you can see from the pictures, we are both behind the painted yellow curb. Yes, we are guilty but is it really fair to ticket cars when we are clearly behind the yellow curb? I know the city won’t paint the curbs 25 ft from crosswalks for all intersections in Hoboken because a) no money to pay for it and b) more importantly, the city counts on ticket revenue in its budget. It is just very frustrating to me as I’m sure other Hoboken residents feel the same who have also been ticketed for parking within 25 ft of the crosswalk. I know this issue has been raised before on 411, but I’m curious if any readers who have received similar tickets has had any luck fighting in court. I’m ready to pay the ticket but out of principle, I would like to fight it.”

Do you think it’s prime time for the city to get our corners “up to code?”

SEE PREVIOUS UPDATES AFTER THE JUMP…

4/15/2009:

Bait and switch

Over the past few days, I’ve received countless emails from residents about summonses received for crosswalk/intersection parking. Seems that the city is ramping up their ticketing blitz to raise revenue.

The general tone was “curb not properly marked,” or “no signs indicating parking is prohibited,” and “The city is purposely keeping residents uninformed…” and so on.

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What is the law?

NJ State Law prohibits parking 25 feet from an intersection or crosswalk (39:4-138e) – and nowhere could I find in Hoboken’s City Code anything to contradict or supersede that. (Forgive me if I’m forgetful, as I recall at some point the length being reduced to 15 feet, or something similar – but cannot for the life of me find that information.)

As you know, many intersections have both yellow curbs, white stripes, etc. Some yellow curbs are faded or even non-existent. Additionally, there are no signs that clearly state “No Parking Here to Corner.”

In general, since the intersection areas are NOT clearly marked – many residents unaware of the specific law – inadvertently break it – and get fined accordingly. Is that fair? Maybe, maybe not.

Solving the problem

I suppose asking the current administration to do anything involving improving the parking laws, street signage, or resident communications might be a complete waste of time – so here’s a “to-do list” for the next Mayor of Hoboken:

  1. Clarify the parking law. Is it 25 feet or 15?
  2. Mark each intersection clearly (fresh yellow paint AND “no parking” signs) – eliminate ALL DOUBT whether the spot is legal or not.

Is this too difficult?

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45 Comments on "Parking confusion must stop!"

hoboken52grip
Member

I wonder how many parking spaces are taken up but improper parking at curb cuts? bet at least 1 per cut, prob more.. people also need to park close to the cut. cuts are supposed to allow a car to enter and park, not to park another car in that spot or in many cases, old time residents hold many spots using the one curb cut.. the parking authority needs to enforce this too.. we need to find spots anywhere we can.

homeworld
Member

“I know this issue has been raised before on 411, but I’m curious if any readers who have received similar tickets has had any luck fighting in court. I’m ready to pay the ticket but out of principle, I would like to fight it.”

Yes, I received a ticket for allegedly parking too close to the corner on near Sinatra and 11th. I fought it in court and won, and the end result was that the curb was repainted to prevent confusion in the future.

checkers
Member
checkers

Question:—–then what is the point of the yellow curb being painted whatever number of feet that it is painted? Does not the length of the painted area indicate something? Like …you cant park where the yellow is<< seems simple enough. I think if you were to go to court you would win. The City cannot assume knowledge. If the intent is 25 feet from the corner that should be clearly indicated.
Many towns have signs–"No Parking here to corner"—-no ambiguity there. The business about the city cant afford to paint the curbs is corn—-get volunteers!!—get some prisoners!!—-how about the YOU OWE xx hours of public service drunks?? Get some of those erstwhile useless council-people out on a saturday with a brush. Or do they just sit behind the long desk and hurl insults at each other once a month?

hobokenresident
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hobokenresident

That’s a great idea checkers, I’ve been to the city council meeting, it’s a disgrace. They can maybe justify their existence by taking their lazy illiterate butts out there and painting the yellow lines. [quote comment=”193258″]Question:—–then what is the point of the yellow curb being painted whatever number of feet that it is painted? Does not the length of the painted area indicate something? Like …you cant park where the yellow is<< seems simple enough. I think if you were to go to court you would win. The City cannot assume knowledge. If the intent is 25 feet from the corner that should be clearly indicated.Many towns have signs–”No Parking here to corner”—-no ambiguity there. The business about the city cant afford to paint the curbs is corn—-get volunteers!!—get some prisoners!!—-how about the YOU OWE xx hours of public service drunks?? Get some of those erstwhile useless council-people out on a saturday with a brush. Or do they just sit behind the long desk and hurl insults at each other once a month?[/quote]

KenOn10
Member
KenOn10

I’m not usually very sympathetic about these stories. But, looking at the second photo, I cannot see much of a safety problem – a) the parked car is far enough that drivers at a safe speed should be able to see pedestrians in plenty of time to stop and b) the parked car doesn’t restrict big trucks making the turn (the real restriction is the telephone pole on the corner).

Fighting this ticket is a lost cause, because unfortunately it is a violation of the letter of the law… but not the spirit of the law.

oconnorl
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oconnorl

I just went in last week to fight my “parking too close” ticket- was 54 bucks- I pleaded guilty and just paid the court fee of $33

afterward I wondered if I should have pleaded not guilty and paid less- but his suggestion was to plead guilty and I usually take the suggestion. 33 is better than 54- and if you get there early/first your name goes first so you don’t have to wait FOREVER to get in and out.[quote comment=”193229″]I’m not usually very sympathetic about these stories. But, looking at the second photo, I cannot see much of a safety problem – a) the parked car is far enough that drivers at a safe speed should be able to see pedestrians in plenty of time to stop and b) the parked car doesn’t restrict big trucks making the turn (the real restriction is the telephone pole on the corner).Fighting this ticket is a lost cause, because unfortunately it is a violation of the letter of the law… but not the spirit of the law.[/quote]

roadruner0
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roadruner0

Anyone else have any luck fighting in court? [quote comment=”193247″]I just went in last week to fight my “parking too close” ticket- was 54 bucks- I pleaded guilty and just paid the court fee of $33afterward I wondered if I should have pleaded not guilty and paid less- but his suggestion was to plead guilty and I usually take the suggestion. 33 is better than 54- and if you get there early/first your name goes first so you don’t have to wait FOREVER to get in and out.

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bradykp
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bradykp

[quote comment=”149413″]To ease parking problems and congestion, affordable transportation in business district (Washington St.) has to be considered in a sound planning effort in concert with the business community. Denver, Memphis, Chatanooga, Atlantic City, Virginia Beach all have it…Candidates should research and those elected should implement. :idea:[/quote]

i was told by Dawn Zimmer that she wants this type of thing in Hoboken. She mentioned looking into electric buses.

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