Comments on: Capitalism or Socialism?

By: MidnightRacer

MidnightRacer — Mon, 13 Apr 2009 19:06:14 +0000

Hey, your call. Let me know and I’ll be there. Sometimes, there’s more said between 2 people than 20.

By: jscirish27

jscirish27 — Mon, 13 Apr 2009 18:57:16 +0000

I could talk for days on this subject, but alas, I don’t feel that many others would join us in this discussion… most people don’t care until it is too late.

By: MidnightRacer

MidnightRacer — Mon, 13 Apr 2009 18:37:02 +0000

jscirish, it’s a really good topic which broadens to this whole discussion on capitalism vs soc ialism in the context of farming which people would rather ignore. I find it interesting. If you begin a thread on this with Hoboken411, I’d definitely participate. Otherwise, it’ll get lost in this thread as politics would diminish it.

By: jscirish27

jscirish27 — Mon, 13 Apr 2009 18:11:54 +0000

My bad… I did mean ADM, I was combining topics…

By: brian_g

brian_g — Mon, 13 Apr 2009 18:10:34 +0000

jscirish27 ,

I believe you meant to write ADM rather than AIG. Unless American Insurance Group recently purchased Archer Daniels Midland.

MR,

So cia lism is a broad group of economic theories in which the government is, in some form, involved in production of goods and services. That involvement can range from strict regulatory controls to outright ownership to subsidizing specific industries.

By: jscirish27

jscirish27 — Mon, 13 Apr 2009 18:05:02 +0000

MR, re post: 38… I guess no one ever addresses it because what are they going to come back with: It is good to have all our food resources concentrated in the hands of a few agribusiness conglomerates here and in South America that are systematically destroying local food supplies…

When most people think about where food comes from they stop at “the supermarket.”

By: Katie_Scarlett

Katie_Scarlett — Mon, 13 Apr 2009 18:02:33 +0000

matt_72 wrote:

AndThenOneDay wrote:

MidnightRacer wrote:

I voted for capitalism, anyone willing to disclose their preference?

I voted for improved health care, letting the Bush tax cuts expire, taking climate change seriously, not invading countries on flawed information. I guess that makes me a bolshevik.

Makes you an idealist. But idealism doesn’t pay the bills or make any of that stuff affordable. But then again, when such a small % of Americans actually have to “pay the bills”, it makes it easy for the majority to be idealistic.

This country’s going to hell in a hand basket. There can be no doubt about it. Make your money quick and get the f out while you can. [I'm only half kidding]

By: MidnightRacer

MidnightRacer — Mon, 13 Apr 2009 17:52:04 +0000

Definition please. I won’t respond to that definition. But I’m really hoping you offer up your accurate definition. I’m just hoping you’ll clarify what the accurate definition is, you still haven’t done that.

Please define soc ialism. And I won’t respond, tear apart, or post anything about that definition you supply.

By: brian_g

brian_g — Mon, 13 Apr 2009 16:59:35 +0000

MidnightRacer wrote:

OK, then. I won’t respond to the definition that you put up of soc ialism. So please do entertain us all with the definition of soc ialism which is accurate. I won’t say anything about it. Just post it for us all to see what you’re talking about. Promise to not respond to that definition.

The problem is that socialism can mean many things. When countries such as China and Sweden but qualify as socialist states, clearly there are some distinct difference between the 2.

Modern western socialist states leave the means of production largely in private hands although they are not against taking control when the situation demands it.

But if we are going to talk about socialism in the absolute sense then the word is used far too often and in inappropriate circumstances.

Using the absolute definition, then socialized medicine is not necessarily an example of socialism. Certainly any solution offered in the United States doesn’t qualify.

By: matt_72

matt_72 — Mon, 13 Apr 2009 16:53:23 +0000

AndThenOneDay wrote:

MidnightRacer wrote:

I voted for capitalism, anyone willing to disclose their preference?

I voted for improved health care, letting the Bush tax cuts expire, taking climate change seriously, not invading countries on flawed information. I guess that makes me a bolshevik.

Makes you an idealist. But idealism doesn’t pay the bills or make any of that stuff affordable. But then again, when such a small % of Americans actually have to “pay the bills”, it makes it easy for the majority to be idealistic.