NJ Transit installs a new sign

2/26/2009:

Darwin’s Law interrupted

Recently, NJ Transit installed what they call a “dynamic sign” above the light rail crossing at Paterson Plank Road downtown. This sign, in addition to the red stop lights – say “TRAIN COMING” – to give further incentive for dopey drivers to stop.

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In a press release sent out today, 4th Ward Councilwoman Dawn Zimmer thanked NJ Transit for the installation. Zimmer said she called NJT after several accidents had taken place there (Hoboken411 has brought them to the public’s attention for years here, here, here and other idiotic light rail debacles here).

Zimmer said, “These improvements are a step forward in making Hoboken a safer place to walk, bike and drive.” I think she forgot to add “and ride the light rail,” because these accidents only really effect the morons that crash into the trains (and probably deserve it), and maybe some passengers that might bump into one another if the train screeches to a halt.

She also mentioned the Downtown Traffic Study Project that students at Stevens Institute are working on, as well as the nuisance 15 minute traffic light that Hoboken411 and a reader brought to the city’s attention back in September of 2008. I’m not sure about you, but FIVE MONTHS to fix one single traffic light is just a sign of government bloat, no?

Other improvements mentioned by Zimmer were more effective lighting near the crime-riddled 2nd Street Light Rail station, and parking bollards at dangerous intersections in the 4th Ward (both already mentioned many times on Hoboken411 since 2006). At the very least, it’s nice something is done about these “super-critical” issues Hoboken has – regardless of how long it takes.

Morning Project: Fun With Signs!

Let’s have some fun with this “revolutionary” TRAIN COMING sign. I personally feel it’s too politically correct. If a red light isn’t enough to stop bone-heads, a polite “train coming” sign probably won’t help.

I suggest something a bit more harsh, such as “STOP OR DIE,” or “KEEP DRIVING AND YOUR SPINNING RIMS WILL GET BUSTED UP,” or “EL TREN GRANDE ROMPERÁ SU COCHE.”

And what was the reason they didn’t put simple gates up?

14 Responses

  1. ItalianGuy says:

    How about a better idea, putting the track arms that come down and block the tracks when the train comes. Isn’t that the best answer? Rather then wasting the funds on those signs that are already ignored from what I’ve seen living in The Cliffs we see it all go down! 😡

  2. Tiger says:

    ItalianGuy, nowhere in the world do lightrails have track arms, they are not trains, they are lightrails. If only people have the sense to actually know:
    a- You cannot drive infront of the lightrail
    b- You cannot walk infront of the lightrail

    Then everyone should be fine. A little common sense goes a long way

  3. Mama Luke says:

    They use to have a ringing bell to alert people that the light rail was coming but developers and condo owners complained and the bells were removed. Public safety huh? All about $$$$$$$.

  4. 9 says:

    [quote comment=”138989″]If only people have the sense to actually know:
    a- You cannot drive infront of the lightrail
    b- You cannot walk infront of the lightrail

    Then everyone should be fine. A little common sense goes a long way[/quote]

    You’d be amazed at some of the stupidity I’ve seen where the light rail crosses the road near the BJ’s in Jersey City. Utterly amazed. 😐

  5. agrk says:

    [quote comment=”138984″]How about a better idea, putting the track arms that come down and block the tracks when the train comes. Isn’t that the best answer? Rather then wasting the funds on those signs that are already ignored from what I’ve seen living in The Cliffs we see it all go down! :x[/quote]

    The gates can actually be placed at the light rail crossing – but if they were to do that it would take approx 30 additional seconds to open and close. If you add 30 seconds of all red time to each time a train crosses, that could prevent the intersection from operating – even re-timed to fix Marshall Street.

    The problem with the time line is any improvements need to be studied by and designed by New Jersey Transit (It’s their light), and approved by the City of Hoboken (Marshall St and 1st are City Roads), City of Jersey City (Mountain is a JC City Road), Hudson County (Paterson is a County maintained route), NJDOT Rail crossings task force(they have jurisdiction of all crossings and sig. int. within about 500 feet or so). So beyond an engineering study (say a few months) each of these meeting-a-months groups need to give approval too.

    It’s a lot, but we still need to ensure NJT undertakes the process – Call or Write:

    1-973-275-5555 – 24 Hour Access (Operator-assisted 7am-7pm)
    https://www.njtransit.com/ContactUs/cu_form.jsp

  6. Tiger says:

    [quote comment=”138993″][quote comment=”138989″]If only people have the sense to actually know:
    a- You cannot drive infront of the lightrail
    b- You cannot walk infront of the lightrail

    Then everyone should be fine. A little common sense goes a long way[/quote]

    You’d be amazed at some of the stupidity I’ve seen where the light rail crosses the road near the BJ’s in Jersey City. Utterly amazed. :|[/quote]
    I’m working for a client in Newport NJ nowadays and use the lightrail, yesterday morning I got off the literail and was walking through the mini pedestrian tunnel, the northbound lightrail was coming, and there was this guy who let his three or four year old kid just wander around, the kid was running TOWARDS the train and Mr parent was casually walking behind him, I started walking back to grab the kid and only then the father noticed what’s going on and he called his kid and held his hand. I was SHOCKED, completely SHOCKED, to see this! That kid would have died on impact.

  7. hobokenj says:

    This is the reason everything is so expensive in this country. There is a red light. red light means stop, that should be enough. The redundancy in the name of safety has gotten out of control in this country. And its not even about safety, its about liability in law suits.

  8. plywood says:

    How about “Anyone can stop at a red light, but it take a real Olympian to wrestle with a speeding train”

  9. homeworld says:

    [quote comment=”139004″][quote comment=”138993″][quote comment=”138989″]If only people have the sense to actually know:
    a- You cannot drive infront of the lightrail
    b- You cannot walk infront of the lightrail

    Then everyone should be fine. A little common sense goes a long way[/quote]

    You’d be amazed at some of the stupidity I’ve seen where the light rail crosses the road near the BJ’s in Jersey City. Utterly amazed. :|[/quote]
    I’m working for a client in Newport NJ nowadays and use the lightrail, yesterday morning I got off the literail and was walking through the mini pedestrian tunnel, the northbound lightrail was coming, and there was this guy who let his three or four year old kid just wander around, the kid was running TOWARDS the train and Mr parent was casually walking behind him, I started walking back to grab the kid and only then the father noticed what’s going on and he called his kid and held his hand. I was SHOCKED, completely SHOCKED, to see this! That kid would have died on impact.[/quote]

    Someone already died at that crossing about 5 years ago (I think he was listening to his ipod). That’s why the trains now have to come to a full stop at the tunnel before they proceed to the station.

  10. Tiger says:

    [quote comment=”139039″][quote comment=”139004″][quote comment=”138993″][quote comment=”138989″]If only people have the sense to actually know:
    a- You cannot drive infront of the lightrail
    b- You cannot walk infront of the lightrail

    Then everyone should be fine. A little common sense goes a long way[/quote]

    You’d be amazed at some of the stupidity I’ve seen where the light rail crosses the road near the BJ’s in Jersey City. Utterly amazed. :|[/quote]
    I’m working for a client in Newport NJ nowadays and use the lightrail, yesterday morning I got off the literail and was walking through the mini pedestrian tunnel, the northbound lightrail was coming, and there was this guy who let his three or four year old kid just wander around, the kid was running TOWARDS the train and Mr parent was casually walking behind him, I started walking back to grab the kid and only then the father noticed what’s going on and he called his kid and held his hand. I was SHOCKED, completely SHOCKED, to see this! That kid would have died on impact.[/quote]

    Someone already died at that crossing about 5 years ago (I think he was listening to his ipod). That’s why the trains now have to come to a full stop at the tunnel before they proceed to the station.[/quote]
    That’s true homeworld, I crossed right infront of the train after it stopped and got into the tunnel, the kid was running toward the train from the tunnel right just as it was about to move, I doubt the driver would have seen a 3ft child. And yes, Mr father was fiddling with his phone. Remembering it honestly bothers me.

    And then they blame the driver.

  11. ItalianGuy says:

    #

    3. Tiger | February 26th, 2009 at 9:07 am Quote

    ItalianGuy, nowhere in the world do lightrails have track arms, they are not trains, they are lightrails. If only people have the sense to actually know:
    a- You cannot drive infront of the lightrail
    b- You cannot walk infront of the lightrail

    Then everyone should be fine. A little common sense goes a long way
    #

    Hey Tiger you would think!! Read a response Tiger you have just been told clearly by a city personnel that you could put the “arms” in – SNAP!!! I have seen mothers with strollers dodge the rigs blocking the street and cross walk one slip of the hull and its over. The city has bigger fish to fry with the recycling plant. I couldn’t even get into my building because they rigs had it blocked and the response I got from a driver “Why did they even built those anyways its not our problem” The town needs to get the recycling plant to have more control of what goes on with the craziness in the entrance and the “truckers” “rude bastards” – Oh well for everyone involved. :roll:

  12. Wildflower says:

    Curious…

    “KEEP DRIVING AND YOUR SPINNING RIMS WILL GET BUSTED UP”

    What does having spinning rims on your car have to do with the driver not being able to see an oncoming light rail train car ?

  13. kellyjoy says:

    [quote comment=”139004″][quote comment=”138993″][quote comment=”138989″]If only people have the sense to actually know:
    a- You cannot drive infront of the lightrail
    b- You cannot walk infront of the lightrail

    Then everyone should be fine. A little common sense goes a long way[/quote]

    You’d be amazed at some of the stupidity I’ve seen where the light rail crosses the road near the BJ’s in Jersey City. Utterly amazed. :|[/quote]
    I’m working for a client in Newport NJ nowadays and use the lightrail, yesterday morning I got off the literail and was walking through the mini pedestrian tunnel, the northbound lightrail was coming, and there was this guy who let his three or four year old kid just wander around, the kid was running TOWARDS the train and Mr parent was casually walking behind him, I started walking back to grab the kid and only then the father noticed what’s going on and he called his kid and held his hand. I was SHOCKED, completely SHOCKED, to see this! That kid would have died on impact.[/quote]

    Same deal in Newark where the Light Rail crosses Broad Street and Lackawanna. Most people just dart out into the intersection without looking, regardless of whether or not they have the walk signal. And then there’s the ocassional car that tries to make an illegal right on the red onto Lackawanna as the Light Rail is coming. I’ve worked in this area for 2 years, and I’d venture to say that I see at least 2 or 3 idiot pedestrians a week.

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