Temporary Police Regulations issues

Hoboken temporary no parking signs – a very flawed system

Temporary Police Regulation “No Parking” signs have plagued residents and visitors alike forever.

This antiquated method of simply taping signs to poles or railings is riddled with problems – whether it’s drunks tearing them down, or blowing away in inclement weather. 100% of the time, however, the driver gets the shaft – sign or no sign. Hoboken411 reader “J” recounts his stressful and troubling experiences.

HPU doesn’t care if the signs are there or not – YOU SUFFER

“Hey, so I’m a resident of Hoboken and have been for over three years now. I own a car, and unfortunately have to deal with the ever evolving and confusing parking regulations. A few months ago I got a call that I was about to be towed when I was already en route to work (I ride a company van) to warn me that I was going to be towed. I actually moved my car that morning to avoid cleaning, and definitely saw no temporary signs. It was raining the night before, and it was a Monday morning, so there’s a good chance they fell apart or some kids ripped them down coming back from the bars. I was told “it wasn’t their fault and I’d be towed.” Even if a sign was ripped down you are still liable and can have your car towed… I was able to send a friend over.. and they saw that there were indeed pieces of tape on some gates. Luckily I got them to move my car with a spare key.

Anyway, this morning I noticed the same thing when I moved my car. Pieces of ripped tape… So I figured lets make sure. I give a call to the Parking utility and was told “I don’t know if you can park there..and if there’s tape… there may be a sign at some point..and you may be towed..”

Honestly, I feel like I’m living in a constant state of fear of being towed in this town. I have to check for TAPE? Ripped tape? And how is it on the driver?

This is such an awful policy, and I feel nobody has talked about this. This is yet another irritating aspect of trying to own a car in this town that constantly preys on their own tax paying citizens.

PS – I also constantly see the parking utility truck parked on a corner jutting out and making it impossible to see oncoming traffic.”

Looks like another notch in Ian Sacs belt of honor!

What can be done to improve this process?

2/3/2009:

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Personally, I’ve experienced regular courtesy calls when my car is parked somewhere – and a “Temporary Police Regulation” sign goes up without my knowledge. The last time, the Hoboken Parking Utility was able to reach me via telephone – and give me the opportunity to move my car before towing. I was very thankful!

However, I’ve overheard other instances where cars needed to be moved – but city workers might have been unable to contact them for some reason or another (didn’t pick up, or the voice mail was full, etc.)

One Hoboken411 reader was the victim of a similar incident last weekend – and had to pay a summons and towing charge:

“I parked my car on Hudson between 11th and 12th in a Wednesday spot last week. On Sunday morning I found that my car had been towed and one of those temporary no parking signs for Saturday had been put up for the day before. I made my way to the police station and they said that the HPA usually calls residents to give them a chance to move their cars but I didn’t receive a call. I had to pay the ticket and the tow charge. Any idea if I can get restitution for this? The temporary no parking sign was not up when I parked there.”

Questions, observations, suggestions:

  • I’ve overheard many instances where the driver was certain the sign wasn’t up 48 hours prior, as required. If you take the time to go to court – it becomes a “he said, she said” debate. How can we audit and ensure that this procedure is indeed maintained?
  • Modernize: If anything, the city should begin automating the process. All car owners affected by these temporary regulations – should receive (upon opt-in) communications from the city via one or more methods. Whether it’s text message, email, or otherwise, it’d be nice to have constant reminders. You can set the frequency (i.e., every hour, four hours – an hour before you have to move it, etc.)
  • What about a website with license plate numbers? Or an RSS feed where it only accepts updates with one or more plate numbers you choose? Can’t be that hard, right?
  • How many of you have consistently received calls when your car was in one of these zones? How would you improve the process?

Share your thoughts in the comments section.

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62 Comments on "Temporary Police Regulations issues"

drdrool
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drdrool

When you car gets towed for the temp no parking violation it is hard to fault anyone but he car owner. Being a car owner in hoboken is TERRIBLE and you have to check it twice a day (no joke) The Zimmer administration has only made it waaay worse. I had my car towed once in 12 years here in Hoboken, ONCE. I accept the ticket and the pain in the butt it is to go get it out. What I don’t understand is the $150 the tow company gouges you for to get the car. Which of Zimmer’s good-ole-boys gets that kick-back?

Zimmer and her whole gaggle of thieves suck.

Don’t blame me I voted for for Artie.

YipYap
Member

re: “what would you do if you were moving out of your apt and somebody was parked where you had claimed a couple spots?”

This happened during my last move. HPU signs were up and the movers were coming, but a car was in the spot. I called the HPD and they said call the HPU. I called the HPU and they were closed since it was the weekend. I called the HPD back and they told me ok we will send someone by. They sent over a Cop a few minutes later. He looked at my HPU temp no parking paperwork and then ran the license plate of the car owner. Turns out the car owner was a business owner nearby. I asked the cop to wait a minute before calling a tow truck as I would run in and ask the business owner to move. I went into the business and asked the owner and he apologized to me and the cop and moved his car. Story ended ok that day but on other days the tow truck needs to be called because some people are just jerks and park wherever they want.

Boken Pug
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Boken Pug

It’s nice to see that Hoboken has more than just self absorbed assholes. Thanks Yip for being a person. (no sarcasm here, just a thank you).
[quote comment=”212619″]re: “what would you do if you were moving out of your apt and somebody was parked where you had claimed a couple spots?”This happened during my last move. HPU signs were up and the movers were coming, but a car was in the spot. I called the HPD and they said call the HPU. I called the HPU and they were closed since it was the weekend. I called the HPD back and they told me ok we will send someone by. They sent over a Cop a few minutes later. He looked at my HPU temp no parking paperwork and then ran the license plate of the car owner. Turns out the car owner was a business owner nearby. I asked the cop to wait a minute before calling a tow truck as I would run in and ask the business owner to move. I went into the business and asked the owner and he apologized to me and the cop and moved his car. Story ended ok that day but on other days the tow truck needs to be called because some people are just jerks and park wherever they want.[/quote]

pollcatfactor
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pollcatfactor

“HPU doesn’t care if the signs are there or not – YOU SUFFER”

Correct. Unless you can find the culprit who took down the signs and charge them for the tow, what else is there to do? Somebody has a temporary claim on the spot you are in… if you can’t get there to move your car, a tow truck will move it for you. You could be contacted somehow… but what if you are out of town/at work?

To reader “J” and 411 and all readers… hypothetically, what would you do if you were moving out of your apt and somebody was parked where you had claimed a couple spots? Now your movers can’t get in (can’t double park or park on a corner), you lose your deposit on the move, you can’t get your stuff out, and your landlord now docks your rental deposit because he has another tenant moving in the next day and they can’t get in. Would you call HPU to have the person contacted? Of course. If they couldn’t move their car or don’t respond, would you have HPU tow the truck?…..

YouStayCl@ssyHoboken
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YouStayCl@ssyHoboken
In a reasonable system, signs should be suitably constructed and posted in the public right-of-way. The requester of the temporary no-parking zone (or HPU in their place) would be responsible to visually confirm that the no-parking signs are correctly posted 24 hours prior to the effective date/time. If signs are destroyed, stolen, etc., it would be up to the requestor (or HPU) to report and replace those signs or the temporary zone would not be enforceable. An HPD officer should authorize towing of any resident vehicle (in addition to HPU). Some opportunities to improve on what we have are: 1) have requester report to HPU 24 hours in advance that signs are in place (or not), if the requester does not report, the restriction will not be enforceable; 2) put signs on easels at curbside, add cones/pylons for visibility; 3) leverage the HPU camera-van to verify the presence or absence of temporary signs (maybe via RFID); 4) trigger courtesy calls/sms/email to residents who are parked in restricted zones 24 hrs in advance; 5) require that temporary signs be posted by 6am, 72 hours in advance of effective date/time. Just because someone has an appointment with a moving company, that does not justify towing a resident’s vehicle without proper notification. The two main goals of the temporary no-parking program should be for the City to provide a service to residents (temp no-parking zones) and to assure the rest of the Hoboken residents that their vehicles will not be towed without warning.… Read more »
wiskeytango1
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wiskeytango1
Cl@ssey..correct to the tee except that at one time the PD not the HPU would give you a courtisy call for any pkg problem Some people do not give their tel numbers to the authoritys..Rule is 72 hours prior.It happened to my friend .had to wait 1 hour for only two po agents were on duty with the pickup trucks that moving day. As for good ole boys comment wasn’t a plan on the table to outsource the towing to an outfit in North Bergen, off Union Turnpike a year ago? Question is how in the hell can King Richard assign just two P/U trucks on a moving day? This was why my friend had to wait..One hour on a four hour permit.[quote comment=”212618″]In a reasonable system, signs should be suitably constructed and posted in the public right-of-way. The requester of the temporary no-parking zone (or HPU in their place) would be responsible to visually confirm that the no-parking signs are correctly posted 24 hours prior to the effective date/time. If signs are destroyed, stolen, etc., it would be up to the requestor (or HPU) to report and replace those signs or the temporary zone would not be enforceable. An HPD officer should authorize towing of any resident vehicle (in addition to HPU).Some opportunities to improve on what we have are: 1) have requester report to HPU 24 hours in advance that signs are in place (or not), if the requester does not report, the restriction will not be enforceable;… Read more »
wiskeytango1
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wiskeytango1
POLLCAT..HOW LONG YOUR RESIDING HERE IS A FACTOR Years ago it was a police matter interacting with the signal and traffic division to install signs.PROPGATION I THINK WAS THE PROPER NAME .For the said signs 20 years ago.. now the signal and traffic supervisor is a ya ya for the pkg tzar…he is close to retirement and he shocks the crap out of me with that bit of brown on his nose. There should be some other way to protect the people that have to deal with this bull..wind does not blow the signs down off fences and poles.. Revelers are mostly the culpirts..around 3am on weekends..Plants knocked down outside the Madison on 14ths st..as well. the PD should take control of the situation re the signs..Keep in mind you go to leos or any other place to have dinner /spend 100 .00 more or less on a nice family night out only to see a boot on your tire..Welcome to Hoboken..total amount is around 400 clams without the sause..Keep in mind who was placed as the director of the HPU and by who come election time. What a crew.[quote comment=”212616″]“HPU doesn’t care if the signs are there or not – YOU SUFFER”Correct. Unless you can find the culprit who took down the signs and charge them for the tow, what else is there to do? Somebody has a temporary claim on the spot you are in… if you can’t get there to move your car, a tow truck will… Read more »
Kingfox
Member

[quote comment=”133178″]
3. Have the police/parking enforcers take pictures of the offense. I’ve started taking pictures when I park my car, so should I be towed again, I have some type of evidence to present.[/quote]
I’m glad I’m not the only one so paranoid to have started doing this. Most nights I go ahead and take a shot or two, just to be safe.

MidnightRacer
Member

Good luck, personalt. I still like the user entry though. City’s entries could lag and still catch people off guard. The user entries aren’t perfect and rely too much on initiative, but maybe you could recruit dog walkers who walk certain blocks to make daily notes. I really like the idea. Hope you do it.

wiskeytango1
Member
wiskeytango1

RACER .FUNNY YOU POSTED THAT I have just the person for you.None other than the queen of puppy poo. [quote comment=”133401″]Good luck, personalt. I still like the user entry though. City’s entries could lag and still catch people off guard. The user entries aren’t perfect and rely too much on initiative, but maybe you could recruit dog walkers who walk certain blocks to make daily notes. I really like the idea. Hope you do it.[/quote]

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