HUMC Status Report: Update

“I believe they can in the interim entertain the interest of other organizations, particularly those from not-for-profits. I don’t believe this was the right deal for Hoboken or the taxpayers — there was too much politics and money in the process.”

– State Senator Joseph Vitale (September 21, 2011)

New HUMC owners pay $213,000 to lobbyists in 2011

Money can’t but health, but it can buy enough influence to get a sweetheart deal on a hospital…

In September 2011, State Senator Joseph Vitale, Vice Chairman of the Senate Health Committee stated there was too much money and politics involved in the sale process of Hoboken University Medical Center.

Then in October, Al Sullivan, the political columnist for Hoboken’s weekly paper, penned a story detailing how the owners of Bayonne Medical Center were using behind the scenes political dealings to influence the sale of HUMC. However, it is uncertain if Senator Vitale or Sullivan knows just how much money BMC used to influence the sale process.

Financial disclosure documents obtained by Hoboken411 report that the new owners of HUMC paid a whopping $213,000 to the lobbying firm Rosemont Associates. This firm is the home of former United States Senator Robert “The Torch” Torricelli. In addition, this $213,000 is on top of tens-of-thousands of dollars in campaign contributions made by the owners of BMC to politicians all across the state.

Was the HUMC deal in Hoboken “fair and transparent?”

You may remember in 2002, Torricelli suddenly dropped out of a competitive race for reelection after disclosure of allegedly illegal contributions to his campaign by David Chang, a businessman connected to North Korea In case you were worried about Torricelli’s well-being, don’t. It appears “The Torch” landed on his feet and has no problems putting food on the table after what many saw as an embarrassing fall from grace.

Hoboken411 reached out to a source close to another potential buyer Jersey City Medical Center. This source stated that JCMC did not employ any lobbyists to attempt to influence the sale of Hoboken University Medical Center in their favor. The source was upfront and said that a lobbying firm is currently working on a health care bill for JCMC in Trenton, but this source this explicitly stated it did not use any lobbyists with regard to the potential purchase of HUMC.

Mayor Dawn Zimmer and the Hoboken Municipal Hospital Authority say they ran a fair and transparent process to sell the hospital.

However, the bidder who was given the exclusive right to purchase HUMC was evidently spending a lot of money to influence politicians across the state. In fact, the owners of BMC were Rosemont Associates’ highest paying client, paying approximately $63,000 more than any other client.

And in case you were wondering – BMC paid 100 cents on the dollar to lobbyists and campaign contributions, as opposed to Hoboken’s nurses who were paid a fraction of what they were owed in a bankruptcy settlement.

Hoboken411 has asked this question in the past but these latest revelations are echoing loudly, what happened to reform in Hoboken?

Is HUMC primed to kill more patients?

1/25/2012 Update:

A Hoboken411 source wanted to share some information that may concern you all. It’s regarding the owners of the Bayonne Medical Center (who now own HUMC), and the apparent tendency for more patients to die in their care.

He said that, based on raw statistical data, once the new owners took over in Bayonne – the death rate at the hospital skyrocketed – nearly doubling that of Jersey City Medical Center (JCMC) despite the two hospitals serving essentially the same demographics.

Not sure I’d be too comfortable with what happens when a hospital is put into the wrong group of hands – sounds like it could be disastrous.

Below are a few charts comparing BMC to JCMC. See some other data below…

“Stawn” On the Warpath!

11/1/2011 Update:

Watch out Hoboken, Mayor Dawn Zimmer is on the war path!

It seems the Mayor was livid that the soon to be new owners of Hoboken University Medical Center have opened up dialog with the four members of the City Council that are not rank and file members of her Green Mean Machine.

It seems the Mayor received a letter yesterday in which the new owners reiterated their commitment to give the “non-Zimmer” City Council members a designee on the new hospital board.

In addition, the letter reiterates the new owners’ desire to “involve the entire Hoboken community,” not just those who blindly follow the Mayor and her Diamond Dealing husband Stan Grossbard. Evidently those involved in the sale process were so amazed at the Shadow Mayor’s sticky involvement they deemed Hoboken’s Worst Couple “Stawn.”

Zimmer’s Rubberstamps Show Their True Colors

After the Council Minority announced the concessions Holdco agreed to, the community got to see some of the Council members’ true colors.

  • Dave Mello who lives in the 4th Ward called the concessions “bush league.” So pro-bono care for Housing Authority residents who can’t afford it is “bush league?” Or when a high school athlete is injured and can seek rehabilitation at HUMC – is that “bush league?” Very “elitist” for a wanna-be attorney who just can’t seem to ever pass that pesky bar…
  • Council President and Pay-to-Play King Ravi Bhalla also refused to acknowledge that a deal had been reached when the meeting began, even after Assemblywoman Joan Quigley urged him to do so in order to save everyone a lot of time and energy. Instead, Bhalla tricked allowed those in the room to believe the resolution would not pass in order to score cheap political points (the horror!) Bhalla’s profound and condescending arrogance has even raised the ire of long time good government advocate Helen Hirsch.

So how did the deal come about?

Late Friday evening, representatives for Holdco reached out a community leader who has a relationship with the Council Minority to open up discussions. Evidently, Holdco acknowledged the closed door process Zimmer ran and offered to allow them to designate a representative on the hospital board.

The Council members made clear that was a start but they needed an unconditional agreement to keep the hospital open for the 7 years that was promised. In addition, they made clear since Holdco didn’t have to build its own parking facility, they could invest the $12 million they were saving into expanding the hospital. When Holdco hesitated, it was made clear that if the taxpayers were not going to be fairly compensated for the deal – the referendum would move forward starting Monday morning.

This argument was substantiated by sending Holdco the commercial that would begin airing on Monday morning to kick off the petition drive for the referendum.

After getting over the initial shock of what a complete idiot Hoboken Parking Czar Ian Sacs is, Holdco realized they were no longer dealing with the rank amateurs who they took to school at every step the sale process.

They asked for 12 hours to put together a letter that would agree to the concessions being sought.

At around 4:30PM on Sunday, Holdco’s Principal signed off on the letter and the deal was set.

Now take a few minutes and think about how many times Zimmer, Bhalla, and company said the buyer “would not negotiate any further.” If that doesn’t show you Zimmer’s true colors also consider her statements that if the Hospital Sale Closing didn’t take place by Monday, the Hospital would shut down. And then think about how she once again postponed the closing yesterday. More political games from Stawn indeed…

The HUMC commercial that never aired…

Hoboken Council Minority strikes deal to save HUMC

10/30/2011 Update:

The Hoboken City Council Minority, composed of Council Members Theresa Castellano, Beth Mason, Michael Russo, and Tim Occhipinti, and HUMC Holdco, the proposed buyer of the Hoboken hospital, have reached an agreement to enact HUMC Holdco’s parking access agreement immediately in exchange for a written agreement to keep the Hoboken hospital open for at least seven years, a designee on the new Hospital board, and the establishment of several important community health programs. This will allow the sale of the Hoboken hospital to proceed immediately.

These Council members repeatedly attempted to meet with Mayor Zimmer to address the community’s concerns with the sale. However, the Mayor refused, even stating the new owners would not negotiate any aspects of the transaction. The agreement between these City Council members and HUMC Holdco, negotiated through the evening last night and today, flies in the face of the Mayor’s claims. It also demonstrates HUMC Holdco’s willingness to work with all members of Hoboken’s government and its commitment to ensure the concerns of all residents are addressed.

The agreement between these City Council members and HUMC Holdco includes:

  • An unconditional written commitment to keep the hospital open as an acute care facility for seven years.
  • An agreement to allow the City Council Minority to designate an appointee to the new hospital board. This appointment shows the buyer’s commitment to increasing community participation in the future of the hospital and allows all residents to have a voice.
  • The establishment of several community health programs as a give back in exchange for the 99-year parking agreement. These programs include pro bono medical services for low-income residents, a women’s healthcare center, a sports and alternative medicine program, and a senior citizen services program. The parking agreement allows the new owners to save approximately $12 million in costs since they will not have to pay to construct their own parking facility. These programs will compensate the community for this subsidy being provided to the new hospital owner.

After the sale’s completion Hoboken taxpayers will be relieved of the $52 million bond guarantee the City agreed to in 2007 to purchase the hospital. The new programs will help expand hospital services and strengthen the hospital’s long term viability. These City Council Members commend HUMC Holdco’s willingness to put the people of Hoboken first.

See letter from HUMC OPCO regarding this last minute deal.

Is Zimmer’s Developer Giveaway Illegal?

10/22/2011 Update:

“Enough is enough,” Mr. Booker said. “Stop giving away our land, millions of dollars’ worth of our property for pennies on the dollar to a small group of connected developers who have sweetheart deals and arrangements with our mayor.”

– The New York Times April 19, 2006

Hoboken Mayor Dawn Zimmer and her City Council Majority want to give away 1,000 parking spots to the Alabama based developer purchasing Hoboken University Medical Center’s land and buildings. A deal that was negotiated in secret with no public input.

However, after spending millions of dollars of taxpayers’ money for politically connected law firms it now appears an essential part of the Hospital sale contract is illegal.

N.J. Statute § 40:60-25.1 states that public land can only be leased for “periods of time not exceeding 50 years.” However, the statute requires that the lease be made only after a competitive bid process.

If the process is not competitive, but instead arbitrarily awarded then the statute states “every such lease so granted on a noncompetitive basis shall terminate not later than 10 years from the date” of inception. The process to lease out the 1,000 parking spots did not include any bid solicitations.

One of the key law firms retained in this sale process is the West Orange based firm of Trenk-DiPasquale. This law firm was home to Newark Mayor Cory Booker before he was elected. Some of the firm’s most prominent attorneys assisted Booker in stopping former Mayor Sharpe James from selling off City land to developers for “pennies on the dollar.”

Why are they now assisting Zimmer in her efforts to sell the hospital property and lease parking for pennies on the dollar?

This parking agreement is required by the Alabama developer in order to finance the hospital’s purchase. It looks like Zimmer’s failure to negotiate with all bidders is coming back to haunt her as this bidder now Hoboken residents over a barrel.

Councilwoman Beth Mason has taken her message to the airwaves with what sources indicate is a massive television buy intended to get the word out about this developer subsidy. She points out that citizens throughout the country are protesting governments subsidizing huge corporations with taxpayers’ money. It urges residents to call Zimmer’s office (201)420-2013 and tell her call off this terrible parking deal.

Tuesday night’s special meeting will see a final vote taken on this issue. You can bet that there will be lots of fireworks!

HUMC “Sale” filled with political messages in Hoboken, NJ

10/7/2011 Update:

As those who follow political deals in Hoboken know that the sale of the Hoboken University Medical Center to a politically connected buyer was approved in U.S. Bankruptcy Court yesterday.

In typical fashion Mayor Dawn Zimmer used this as a way to rewrite history and attempt to smear anyone who dares to disagree with her administration.

Zimmer claims the approval of the sale means no wrong doing was committed on her part. Except this decision was made in Bankruptcy Court, which has no jurisdiction over criminal matters. Perhaps now we have more insight on why Hoboken’s Shadow Mayor Stan Grossbard/Zimmer is a Diamond Dealer instead of a practicing attorney. Clearly the Zimmer Administration is unable to differentiate the powers and jurisdiction that each court holds.

If Zimmer really wants to prove there was no wrong doing she’ll release the depositions provided by her and the Hospital Authority Board members and release all communications she had with the buyer and the Governor’s office throughout the sale.

Until then, her claims of vindication are hollow and meritless.

Zimmer wants an “apology”

Zimmer is also calling on anyone who wanted to shine sunlight on the sale process to apologize. This includes State Senator Loretta Weinberg. Anyone notice that Zimmer refused to call on the Governor to apologize when he said someone should “take a bat” to the 76 year old Weinberg?

Nor did she call for an apology from Hoboken’s Obnoxious Zoning Board Member Nancy Pincus when for various displays of disgusting public conduct.

Zimmer and the Governor exchanged mutual endorsements in this process, but Zimmer also made quite a few enemies across the state. Something tells us this means that payback may come sometime around May 2013!

Where do we go from here?

Yesterday The Star Ledger reported that the new owners plan to expand the Hospital to include a nursing home and medical office suites. This means they will probably look to up-zone the property in advance to pave the way for a huge high rise right smack in the middle of Hoboken.

In the end, the taxpayers did receive a huge benefit because the $52 million in bonds will be paid off. But what remains to be seen is what effect that will have on the future of Hoboken.

Only time will tell.

JNESO Nurses withdraw Objections

10/6/2011 Update:

Yesterday, HUMC creditors agreed to a $10.2 million dollar bankruptcy settlement (out of $34 million). The only remaining roadblock in bankruptcy court today was the objections to the settlement and sale by the JNESO Nurses Union.

Today, the nurses withdrew their objections, paving the way for the sale.

What other roadblocks may come down the road (allegation of fraud, etc) remain to be seen.

P3 says Zimmer lied & misrepresented facts

9/29/2011 Update:

Recently, Mayor Dawn Zimmer’s office released information which claimed to justify why other proposals for HUMC were not considered. However, Geoff Teed who represents Paradigm Physician Partners (P3), said Zimmer conveniently used outdated proposals for her own political gain – and failed to disclose what is currently on the table.

He wrote:

“For the record, I believe in Mayor Zimmer’s attempt to “Correct the Record Regarding Hospital Sale” she misrepresents the following:

  1. The proposal Mayor Zimmer shared with respect to P3 is our initial response to the public RFP announced by the Hoboken Municipal Hospital Authority (HUMC) in July of 2010. At that time, P3’s offer of a management agreement with financing was intended as a sensible alternative to liquidating the hospital (which was on the table as an option), nothing more. In the attached Supplemental proposal submitted on Dec 10, 2010 we included an asset purchase agreement. The details of the three options offered are in the proposal document.
  2. P3’s investors remain prepared to finance this transaction assuming the seller is cooperative, willing to put aside politics and hostility, and conduct negotiations in good faith. P3’s proposal is very rich in that we are now proposing (over six months later) to assume the $35M in creditor’s claims–neither the existence of which nor the magnitude of which was known at the time we made our supplemental proposal. P3’s total deal consideration is over $120M ($51.6M + $11M (bonds & interest) + $25M (working capital & improvements) + $35M (creditor’s claims.) A transaction of this magnitude reasonably requires the supporting documentation for our investors to have the confidence that this transaction is feasible and secure. To date, we have been limited to exactly one guided tour of HUMC and despite many repeated requests by our team, we were never granted access to the level of financial and operating details necessary to develop a pro forma with enough depth to secure a firm capital commitment and letter of credit from our investors. Our investors are still waiting for the opportunity to make that commitment, but need to know that the HMHA is interested in selling it to them.
  3. P3 has not owned a hospital since, as a corporate entity, we are relatively young; howeverer, P3’s executive team consists of highly qualified CEOs who have transformed hospitals from far worse financial condition and in far worse demographic regions and P3 executives have completed several hundred million dollar hospital and health system transactions.
  4. Moreover, although our investors will own all the relevant properties constituting HUMC (not unlike the current proposal by Holdco). P3 will be operating the hospital as a nonprofit with the option to repurchase the hospital to ensure that it will remain a community health care asset in perpetuity.”

SEE THE FULL PROPOSAL HERE.

According to Zimmer: HUMC to lose 14% of workforce

1124 of 1300 Jobs retained at HUMC Hospital in Hoboken

And even more spin & misrepresentation… Throughout the whole HUMC Hospital sale debacle, Mayor Dawn Zimmer repeatedly said that 1300 jobs would be lost if the funding wasn’t provided for the bankruptcy negotiation. Over and over “1,300 jobs will be lost!” Zimmer has thrown a lot of different numbers out to the public over the last two weeks, and the figures change with each new piece of spin she puts out. Sounds like the work of a very disingenuous and self-serving politician.

Even NJ Governor Chris Christie echoed her same numbers: “It is completely unacceptable that the city council placed local politics ahead of the 1300 employees at the Hoboken University Medical Center and the people in the community who rely on the critical services provided by this hospital.”

Zimmer recently announced if the bankruptcy proceedings go through, and the sale is completed – that 1,127 jobs were offered (1,124 accepted) to HUMC employees overall – a nearly 14% reduction in jobs!

What happened to the other 170?

How does HUMC stay afloat past doomsday? Whose money?

Zimmer also said vehemently over and over – that without a sale, October 7th was the drop-dead date – and the hospital would have to cease operating because it would have run out of money.

Now, that date miraculously has been pushed back to October 17th.

Where is the money coming from? Or are they just going to refuse to pay even more bills? If outstanding debt is part of the bankruptcy negotiations, how will this extra time play into the financial equation?

Additionally – NJ Senator Loretta Weinberg couldn’t find where the openness and transparency lived, saying “Some of us are still trying to find out where the Governor suddenly found a new $5 million to add to the $11 million already in the budget for the Hoboken sale. Nice to have a bundle of $5 million stashed away in a state that couldn’t afford to fully fund poor women’s access to health care.”

Nurses getting screwed? What about Council hypocrisy?

Virginia Treacy – the head of the JNESO Nurses Union – who called the Hoboken Municipal Hospital Authority “Morally Bankrupt” recently – reminded everyone that beyond the $3,700,000 in unpaid sick, holiday, and vacation time, that the union took a 10% pay cut back in 2009 “to keep the hospital afloat,” and were promised those wages would be re-instated at the beginning of 2011. That didn’t happen yet as well.

And some icing on the cake. Councilman At-large Dave Mello has supported this bludgeoning of hospital union workers, and while the rest of the world faces job cuts, his NYC Teacher’s Union got a 4.3% pay raise while students in his school are performing poorly!

How do you trust a person who plays both sides of the fence for personal and political gain?

As the world turns in Hoboken…

HUMC Nurses File Subpoena for Depositions

9/26/2011 Update:

On Saturday evening, attorneys for HUMC nurses filed a subpoena requesting the depositions given by Dawn Zimmer, Toni Tomarrazo, and the rest of the Hospital Authority board. The subpoena also requests all information produced by Hudson Healthcare, the Hospital Authority, HUMC Holdco, and the City of Hoboken. Could there be any interesting emails from Zimmer’s confidential aides Dan Bryan or Juan Melli to the Governor’s Office in these documents?

Zimmer and company have done everything within their power to keep this information from seeing the light of day, but they may now have to release it. These subpoenas could mean there is no settlement between the Hospital Authority and the Creditors’ Committee, despite Zimmer’s promise to get this deal done.

If Zimmer withdraws the City’s offer to sell the hospital and closes the doors then the settlement objection that appears to be coming from the nurses would be moot and the damaging information Zimmer had to provide would stay confidential.

Perhaps this could be why Zimmer refuses to acknowledge other bidder such as P3 or the Jersey City Medical Center? Sources close to this story say the Jersey City Medical Center would agree to a deed restriction in the sale contract to hold them to their agreement to keep HUMC open as an acute care facility. Wouldn’t it be nice to have a bidder that puts their money where their mouth is?

Whether Zimmer announces the sale is off today or tries another stall tactic – expect lots of spin from taxpayer funded PR machine. Her and her husband Stan Grossbard were conspicuous in their absence from the Blue Mass honoring Hoboken’s police and fireman on Saturday. Also, some of the internet commenters commonly believed to be Mr. Grossbard-Zimmer were also very quiet over the weekend. Hoboken’s first couple, referred to by some residents as “Stawn,” were probably holed up with Michael Lenz and Tony Soares trying to figure out the best way to spin the collapse of this hot and cold deal.

Zimmer may believe she is in good hands with Lenz and Soares, but even they are starting to realize how toxic this deal has become. Anyone else notice how Carol Marsh and Peter Cunningham broke with the Zimmer Majority to support a deed restriction at the City Council meeting? Many believe Lenz and Marsh are getting ready to make a move on Zimmer before the 2013 elections. Marsh is said to be furious over the tax abatement promise in the Hospital Sale Contract and the other gaping holes that could cause her to have to vote on a possibility of the hospital becoming luxury condominiums. Evidently Marsh is afraid this could further damage her “reformer credentials” with her shrinking anti-development base. Who knows maybe Lenz may even give Zimmer a push in the wrong right direction to make sure this deal puts an end to her politically.

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403 Responses

  1. wiskeytango1 says:

    b4 Consider that only 14 % will be laid off.equal to maybe 170 .Luv the word only such as only 20 men lost in a fire fight in afgans search and destroy missions.Only? Your just a number such as in the army or prision..Its a case of she dosent mind and the employees don.t matter.betcha some are cleaners carpenters painters maintence and maybe security. Most get paid in yen.. These people many have mouths to feed. I suggest the leader invite the layoffs to her elevatored condo for holiday dinner.Only just only. b4 notice not one protest at city hall or at the queens abode such as we had with the revolters and reformers who even brought their kids along.. Most of these sweethearts have no problem accepting their checks in city hall and at that absurd hospital board to the tune of $$$ Shame on them..Track records show some appointments were inept and moronic.

  2. HearditallB4 says:

    wisky, U r right, the most were maintenance, etc. painters, not one major salary, she is such a piece of work. Remember what goes around comes around! 2013 is not all that far away, so she will get exactly what she and her co-horts deserve if not before.
    Have a great day!

    • HearditallB4 says:

      Guess everyone heard by now that the Creditors Commitee took the 10.2mm dollar deal. So all the efforts to save the little people were fruitless. Try explaining to the “only” 170 employees how they are going to pay their bills and with no benefits if they get sick they have to apply for charity care. Looks like the Zimmer machine scored a major victory. Guess Uncle Chris was her benefactor, SMH! Well good luck to those survivors let’s see what happens next year when he decides it is still losing money and it’s time to make more condos. We got our answer, and we don’t like it.
      😥 [quote comment=”211317″]wisky, U r right, the most were maintenance, etc. painters, not one major salary, she is such a piece of work. Remember what goes around comes around! 2013 is not all that far away, so she will get exactly what she and her co-horts deserve if not before.Have a great day![/quote]

      • wiskeytango1 says:

        B4 What is absurd is how can this administration promise lower taxes and lay off some city employees and demote some PD personal.? Turn around and do a 360 and hire a few imports from never land as aids directors and the best one is a PS Director to the tune of Said 110k per year? She has a plan..B4 make note of this. Not one so called reformer advicate has bitched moaned complained over this move.The HPU is a circus and productivity is priority..Selective enforcement is not..Forget the boots ,summons and give some tought to the amount of $$$ that comes in just with the pkg meters each week..Is there a purpose to keep some eaterys open 24/7 such as mc donalds for one to accommodate the revelers who raise havoc keeping the depleated HPD busy breaking up fights? Only one person can stop it..At the council meetings jerks get up to the mike and ask for more space..more trees more dogwalks instead of complaining about the quality of life in Hoboken and how to fiix it.. :roll: [quote comment=”211327″]Guess everyone heard by now that the Creditors Commitee took the 10.2mm dollar deal. So all the efforts to save the little people were fruitless. Try explaining to the “only” 170 employees how they are going to pay their bills and with no benefits if they get sick they have to apply for charity care. Looks like the Zimmer machine scored a major victory. Guess Uncle Chris was her benefactor, SMH! Well good luck to those survivors let’s see what happens next year when he decides it is still losing money and it’s time to make more condos. We got our answer, and we don’t like it.[/quote]

      • HearditallB4 says:

        IA! This is such a mess, and we have 2 more yrs. of it. Guess I will not be following this saga any longer, it’s giving me a major headache! It was very nice discussing things with you, be well and happy. :)[quote comment=”211328″]B4 What is absurd is how can this administration promise lower taxes and lay off some city employees and demote some PD personal.? Turn around and do a 360 and hire a few imports from never land as aids directors and the best one is a PS Director to the tune of Said 110k per year? She has a plan..B4 make note of this. Not one so called reformer advicate has bitched moaned complained over this move.The HPU is a circus and productivity is priority..Selective enforcement is not..Forget the boots ,summons and give some tought to the amount of $$$ that comes in just with the pkg meters each week..Is there a purpose to keep some eaterys open 24/7 such as mc donalds for one to accommodate the revelers who raise havoc keeping the depleated HPD busy breaking up fights? Only one person can stop it..At the council meetings jerks get up to the mike and ask for more space..more trees more dogwalks instead of complaining about the quality of life in Hoboken and how to fiix it.. [/quote]

  3. elvisroberts says:

    as a taxpayer I am SHOCKED or should I say AWED that we are now relieved of the $52M bond albatross that was hung around our neck when Mayor Red Vest unwisely bought into this hospital. I remember asking Corzine at the time, I ran into him at the SPA DINER, how he could let Hoboken take on the enormous financial burden… He said “it’s a local issue,” then shrugged and went back to his eggs. What a lame-o I am glad he’s gone off to political nowheresville. Yeah, it’s a local issue we couldn’t afford then, and we can’t now. The fact that the City bond gets paid off in terrible economy like today is pretty incredible, to say the least. I for one am satisfied with the transparency, as well as the result. Even if in 7 years the whole thing is a nursing home, plus an Emergency Room, it’s still a solid contribution to the town. THANK YOU!

  4. screen name says:

    A light at the end of the tunnel!

    • youme66 says:

      That light you see at the end of the tunnel is the big neon sign advertising Hoboken’s newest high-rise condos for sale where the hospital used to be, smack dab in the middle of town.

      Next time the HUMC issue is in court, Zimmer will have to go before a criminal judge to address her role in fraud charges. Unlike the bankruptcy judge, the criminal judge will actually be judging Zimmer’s nefarious actions.

      The big question on everyone’s mind is: Will Zimmer wear her new “2nd Annual New Jersey Fashion Week” designer outfit for her per walk? What goes well with handcuffs?

      [quote comment=”211381″]A light at the end of the tunnel![/quote]

      • youme66 says:

        That would be Zimmer’s “perp” walk.

        Although a “poop tomato” walk would be fine, too. As she is led away in cuffs, the public can throw those sewage “poop” tomatoes at her. You know, the ones she complained about but never got rid of.[quote comment=”211382″]That light you see at the end of the tunnel is the big neon sign advertising Hoboken’s newest high-rise condos for sale where the hospital used to be, smack dab in the middle of town.Next time the HUMC issue is in court, Zimmer will have to go before a criminal judge to address her role in fraud charges. Unlike the bankruptcy judge, the criminal judge will actually be judging Zimmer’s nefarious actions.The big question on everyone’s mind is: Will Zimmer wear her new “2nd Annual New Jersey Fashion Week” designer outfit for her per walk? What goes well with handcuffs?[/quote]

      • elvisroberts says:

        anyone who thinks this hospital would be easily converted to condos knows nothing about construction. it will be cheaper to tear the whole thing down and start from scratch, and that would add $20-30M to the whole development cost, not to mention the millions that would go into APPROVALS that would need to be sought. So you wanna try and renovate? OK, start ripping out all those ugly small square windows and replace them with BIGGER ones. Windows $8-10M plus redoing the masonry around them another $10-15M. Like those relatively sound proof floors and walls? OK, but dont forget you’ll have to cut through 70% of them in order to connect all the spaces inside into BIGGER rooms that people want, along with hallways that don’t make the place feel like a prison when potential buyers are walking down the halls. Concrete sawing? Have fun with that. Without a river view its just not economic here. The place will do fine as a hospital (near term) gradually converted to a retirement home and maybe a nursing home… It’s a great set up – taking up a whole block they’ve basically got 4 entrances if they want to use the building in 4 different ways. Even as a retirement or nursing home those folks pay big bucks $4-10K per month? And they won’t mind the hospital look of the place…. Maybe I’ll end up there someday? All my friends in town have been STRUGGLING the last 10 years to find places for their parents… Rockland County seems to be the closest affordable area for these types of facilities, and that’s too far…
        [quote comment=”211382″]That light you see at the end of the tunnel is the big neon sign advertising Hoboken’s newest high-rise condos for sale where the hospital used to be, smack dab in the middle of town.Next time the HUMC issue is in court, Zimmer will have to go before a criminal judge to address her role in fraud charges. Unlike the bankruptcy judge, the criminal judge will actually be judging Zimmer’s nefarious actions.The big question on everyone’s mind is: Will Zimmer wear her new “2nd Annual New Jersey Fashion Week” designer outfit for her per walk? What goes well with handcuffs?[/quote]

      • screen name says:

        Agreed, no way it’s profitable to build condos on the hospital site. [quote comment=”211385″]anyone who thinks this hospital would be easily converted to condos knows nothing about construction. it will be cheaper to tear the whole thing down and start from scratch, and that would add $20-30M to the whole development cost, not to mention the millions that would go into APPROVALS that would need to be sought. So you wanna try and renovate? OK, start ripping out all those ugly small square windows and replace them with BIGGER ones. Windows $8-10M plus redoing the masonry around them another $10-15M. Like those relatively sound proof floors and walls? OK, but dont forget you’ll have to cut through 70% of them in order to connect all the spaces inside into BIGGER rooms that people want, along with hallways that don’t make the place feel like a prison when potential buyers are walking down the halls. Concrete sawing? Have fun with that. Without a river view its just not economic here. The place will do fine as a hospital (near term) gradually converted to a retirement home and maybe a nursing home… It’s a great set up – taking up a whole block they’ve basically got 4 entrances if they want to use the building in 4 different ways. Even as a retirement or nursing home those folks pay big bucks $4-10K per month? And they won’t mind the hospital look of the place…. Maybe I’ll end up there someday? All my friends in town have been STRUGGLING the last 10 years to find places for their parents… Rockland County seems to be the closest affordable area for these types of facilities, and that’s too far…[/quote]

  5. wiskeytango1 says:

    This has been in the works for years..I,m not a zimmer fan,but layoffs were in progress a few years ago..Board members came and went,as will this crew of reformers will.The crux of the matter is that in the event of severe tramar,stroke,severed artery,heart attack,auto accident gunshot wounds ,in some cases the brain dies without oxygen after five minutes as I read in the medical journal..Anywhere in hoboken first responders arrive in 3 minutes to SM.I will always refer to that name. It will take anywhere from 8 to 15 minutes heading to medical center,Christ hospital and Palisade General is longer in time and miles depending on the traffic..Emergency /+ time + life and death,and these pork chops are getting paid to decide the faith of many people and jobs. Recall 9/11 how close SM was for first responders.. What its all about is people with out health insurance on charity care are killing the hospitals all over..You must except people..The others that get pregnent twice a year and do not pay a cent are another story…Funny so many complain but do not protest on the steps of city hall like before..wonder why hummmmmm.. 😐

  6. xtreme says:

    Another 7 years as a hospital is a good thing. If that place was losing money hand over fist as much as I hear then I’m glad it was sold. If the new owners can’t be fiscally responsible and it continues to lose money then maybe…just maybe it shouldn’t be a hospital. Some people fail to realize that no one can operate any type of entity at a constant loss. If the previous model didn’t work (which obviously didn’t), then try something new. To think this can be a hospital forever if it can’t generate income then they’re not in tune with reality.

    And to think the FBI is going to come in here and drag people off in cuffs over a freaking hospital sale is delusional. I’m sorry, I just don’t buy that bull. They have worse things to worry about.

    • HearditallB4 says:

      Well it is now a done deal, I guess kudos to the mayor and her team are in order. Hopefully their prospective will be just what they said. I say Good Luck to the new owner and his team, hope he can turn things around. 😛 [quote comment=”211397″]Another 7 years as a hospital is a good thing. If that place was losing money hand over fist as much as I hear then I’m glad it was sold. If the new owners can’t be fiscally responsible and it continues to lose money then maybe…just maybe it shouldn’t be a hospital. Some people fail to realize that no one can operate any type of entity at a constant loss. If the previous model didn’t work (which obviously didn’t), then try something new. To think this can be a hospital forever if it can’t generate income then they’re not in tune with reality.And to think the FBI is going to come in here and drag people off in cuffs over a freaking hospital sale is delusional. I’m sorry, I just don’t buy that bull. They have worse things to worry about.[/quote]

      • wiskeytango1 says:

        heard didn’t you know this prior?..If any of your kin spouse etc is out of work, social security is not the answer,even if you live in one of the bnr bldgs in chitty hoboken..u said your a former cancer patient,,you dodged the bullet..as many of us have .your not the only one..never consider it a lock.. If you have $$$ in the mattress go for it. if the hospital closes,pity the elderly..as well as emergency happenings..Wonder what queen bee will do if God forbid she has an emergency.???????. Only hospital in the area that does not have a heart team.Why?????? :roll: [quote comment=”211402″]Well it is now a done deal, I guess kudos to the mayor and her team are in order. Hopefully their prospective will be just what they said. I say Good Luck to the new owner and his team, hope he can turn things around. [/quote]

    • chacha17 says:

      you are absolutely right, 7 years is a good thing!!! ask the 1200+ employees if they want to be employeed for another 7 years? or better yet ask someone who lost their job in 2004 how the job market is.

      the deal in a nutshell: 1) hospital open for AT LEAST 7 more years. 2) NOT on the tax-payer dime (the bonds) 3) HoldCo. can take on the losses for the next 7 years – and again NOT the taxpayers dime….the rest is just noise

      if the mayor (russon, zimmer, mason, ramos, etc.) and zoning board in 2018 (whoever that is) wants to keep this a hospital in 7 years – then you know what, they will be able to make that happen[quote comment=”211397″]Another 7 years as a hospital is a good thing. If that place was losing money hand over fist as much as I hear then I’m glad it was sold. If the new owners can’t be fiscally responsible and it continues to lose money then maybe…just maybe it shouldn’t be a hospital. Some people fail to realize that no one can operate any type of entity at a constant loss. If the previous model didn’t work (which obviously didn’t), then try something new. To think this can be a hospital forever if it can’t generate income then they’re not in tune with reality.And to think the FBI is going to come in here and drag people off in cuffs over a freaking hospital sale is delusional. I’m sorry, I just don’t buy that bull. They have worse things to worry about.[/quote]

  7. whineanddineinhob says:

    From what I seen at the last council meeting, there was NO guarantee that this would remain a health care facility for the next 7 years. This was one of the reasons why the bonding was rejected by the council. So now, Christie come thru with the 5M. What has changed? Besides the bankruptcy and settlement agreement, when was it put in stone we have a hospital for 7 years?

    • chacha17 says:

      i believe – and i could be wrong – but there was something in the financing that said the 7 years…also, there may be something in the zoning, etc.[quote comment=”211412″]From what I seen at the last council meeting, there was NO guarantee that this would remain a health care facility for the next 7 years. This was one of the reasons why the bonding was rejected by the council. So now, Christie come thru with the 5M. What has changed? Besides the bankruptcy and settlement agreement, when was it put in stone we have a hospital for 7 years?[/quote]

  8. xtreme says:

    I admittedly have never attended a council meeting …… I prefer to attend circuses with clowns and elephants instead.

    From what I’ve read, it was a requirement by the state that the facility be operated as a hospital for 7 years. I’m not certain if that was a condition for approval or financing but remember hearing about it.

    Regardless, hospitals don’t operate on hopes and dreams, they need operating income to cover the expenses incurred providing these services. Nobody in their right mind will constantly operate at a loss with no plan to move into the black. If the new owners can’t turn it around then that’s their problem to deal with. Shutting it may be the only option. The silver lining is that IF the hospital does indeed go under in the future, it’s no longer the taxpayers on the hook to incur the loss.

    • wiskeytango1 says:

      XTREAM..EXCEPT FOR A FEW ON THE COUNCIL YOUR NOT MISSING ANYTHING ONE BIT..AT 25 K PER YEAR WITH BENNYS ALONG WITH THEIR OUT SIDE SALARYS YOU FIGURE THATS AROUND 250 000 CLAMS PER YEAR TO LISTEN TO LAMP CHOPS DECIED IF WE SHOULD PLANT SEQUOIA TREES IN A MILE SQUARE..more open space more chit walks for the animals and the view of nyc…Again the dreamboats got what they wished for..btw has the taxes reduced since first day in office,,lets get in touch with ourselves.. :roll: [quote comment=”211417″]I admittedly have never attended a council meeting …… I prefer to attend circuses with clowns and elephants instead.From what I’ve read, it was a requirement by the state that the facility be operated as a hospital for 7 years. I’m not certain if that was a condition for approval or financing but remember hearing about it.Regardless, hospitals don’t operate on hopes and dreams, they need operating income to cover the expenses incurred providing these services. Nobody in their right mind will constantly operate at a loss with no plan to move into the black. If the new owners can’t turn it around then that’s their problem to deal with. Shutting it may be the only option. The silver lining is that IF the hospital does indeed go under in the future, it’s no longer the taxpayers on the hook to incur the loss.[/quote]

  9. HearditallB4 says:

    I heard from a very reliable source today that the audit conducted was done very quickly and it was done when the patient census was the lowest. Though it is still low, TPTB are correcting mistakes and doing reversals for the past two days. Closing will be scheduled for 10/24, at which time those who have received lay off notices will have to leave. Some will be reversed. They have planned to change insurance companies for both unions and administrations to an insurance company that is priced very low. They are also not locked into a 7 year agreement, that is contingent upon how well they are doing. The person who bought it is a business man with the vision of turning it around, though it is still in $23mm debt. Various positions were cut when they should not have been. The audit was done quickly to prove bankruptcy. At least this is what was told to me. What the person considered was the best part of the deal is that $52mm bond debt will be settled immediately. What the plan is no-one knows, so this remains to be seen. Will HOLDCO invest $20mm as was printed in the paper and on various websites is still unknown. So we must sit back and wait to see if this facility CAN be turned around. TPTB were assured that every effort will be made to keep it open for as long as they can. Hopefully the source that told me today is correct. This remains to be seen and once again let me repeat, I am GLAD it will stay open, but major changes need to be made before it is back in the black.

    • wiskeytango1 says:

      heard it b 4,The hpd and hfd and municipal employees will also be subject to changes.If that’s what your aluding too. Consider the source.They will be paying more into the new plan preposed by the fine tuned minds at the puzzle palace on Wasington St..Keep an eye out for the pention statis.Wonder why so many public saftey employees retired this past year? Governor may have laid off 50 or more police in the town of CAMDEN. With all this economic strife in our city state country,how is it that The Federal Govt sends 6 billion to isreal and pakistan each year? The help is needed in other areas of our country. :( [quote comment=”211426″]I heard from a very reliable source today that the audit conducted was done very quickly and it was done when the patient census was the lowest. Though it is still low, TPTB are correcting mistakes and doing reversals for the past two days. Closing will be scheduled for 10/24, at which time those who have received lay off notices will have to leave. Some will be reversed. They have planned to change insurance companies for both unions and administrations to an insurance company that is priced very low. They are also not locked into a 7 year agreement, that is contingent upon how well they are doing. The person who bought it is a business man with the vision of turning it around, though it is still in $23mm debt. Various positions were cut when they should not have been. The audit was done quickly to prove bankruptcy. At least this is what was told to me. What the person considered was the best part of the deal is that $52mm bond debt will be settled immediately. What the plan is no-one knows, so this remains to be seen. Will HOLDCO invest $20mm as was printed in the paper and on various websites is still unknown. So we must sit back and wait to see if this facility CAN be turned around. TPTB were assured that every effort will be made to keep it open for as long as they can. Hopefully the source that told me today is correct. This remains to be seen and once again let me repeat, I am GLAD it will stay open, but major changes need to be made before it is back in the black.[/quote]

    • whineanddineinhob says:

      That’s exactly what I thought. They are not locked in to a 7 year hospital deal. So if there is another attempted forced bankruptcy within 2 to 3 years we may very well see the land sold to a condo developer.[quote comment=”211426″]I heard from a very reliable source today that the audit conducted was done very quickly and it was done when the patient census was the lowest. Though it is still low, TPTB are correcting mistakes and doing reversals for the past two days. Closing will be scheduled for 10/24, at which time those who have received lay off notices will have to leave. Some will be reversed. They have planned to change insurance companies for both unions and administrations to an insurance company that is priced very low. They are also not locked into a 7 year agreement, that is contingent upon how well they are doing. The person who bought it is a business man with the vision of turning it around, though it is still in $23mm debt. Various positions were cut when they should not have been. The audit was done quickly to prove bankruptcy. At least this is what was told to me. What the person considered was the best part of the deal is that $52mm bond debt will be settled immediately. What the plan is no-one knows, so this remains to be seen. Will HOLDCO invest $20mm as was printed in the paper and on various websites is still unknown. So we must sit back and wait to see if this facility CAN be turned around. TPTB were assured that every effort will be made to keep it open for as long as they can. Hopefully the source that told me today is correct. This remains to be seen and once again let me repeat, I am GLAD it will stay open, but major changes need to be made before it is back in the black.[/quote]

    • wiskeytango1 says:

      hearditb4. We have to view the situation with an open mind..Many people over the years could not pay and were on charity care…This constitutes many hospitals.Unpaid bills and welfare patients contribute to the cost factor. What is strange is that the administrators saw this coming three or four board reps years ago.Some what like the guy that fell asleep in the crows nest in the TITANIC…Anywhere in Hoboken it takes just three minutes or more to arrive at SM…Our EMS personal are not paid for their services except the paramedics out of Med Center..The intangibles out weigh the tangibles at this time..We can’t blaim the present board of trustees alone..It’s a joint effort of inept people in the past..Not to mention the clandistine crap that went on a few years back discharging but not arresting them..Thats another story..It’s a proud thing to maintain ones integrity and work than depend on ssi or some kind of govt assistance..that forces people to try and get over on the system..Lets hope a solution can be found..b 4.. 😕 [quote comment=”211426″]I heard from a very reliable source today that the audit conducted was done very quickly and it was done when the patient census was the lowest. Though it is still low, TPTB are correcting mistakes and doing reversals for the past two days. Closing will be scheduled for 10/24, at which time those who have received lay off notices will have to leave. Some will be reversed. They have planned to change insurance companies for both unions and administrations to an insurance company that is priced very low. They are also not locked into a 7 year agreement, that is contingent upon how well they are doing. The person who bought it is a business man with the vision of turning it around, though it is still in $23mm debt. Various positions were cut when they should not have been. The audit was done quickly to prove bankruptcy. At least this is what was told to me. What the person considered was the best part of the deal is that $52mm bond debt will be settled immediately. What the plan is no-one knows, so this remains to be seen. Will HOLDCO invest $20mm as was printed in the paper and on various websites is still unknown. So we must sit back and wait to see if this facility CAN be turned around. TPTB were assured that every effort will be made to keep it open for as long as they can. Hopefully the source that told me today is correct. This remains to be seen and once again let me repeat, I am GLAD it will stay open, but major changes need to be made before it is back in the black.[/quote]

      • HearditallB4 says:

        Respectfully I was told that the hospital receives $.88 on every charity care and Medicare patient. The insurance cos. are slow in paying the hospitals. I, too, hope a solution can be found. According to Christie NO municipalty goes bankrupt, then out of the other side of his speech the top3 NJ cities in jeopardy are Camden, Salem, and Harrison. Red Bull stadium (Harrison) did not bring in the expected revenue. Again, mis-management of funds, oy what a complete mess! The list of discrepancies goes on. :([quote comment=”211429″]hearditb4. We have to view the situation with an open mind..Many people over the years could not pay and were on charity care…This constitutes many hospitals.Unpaid bills and welfare patients contribute to the cost factor. What is strange is that the administrators saw this coming three or four board reps years ago.Some what like the guy that fell asleep in the crows nest in the TITANIC…Anywhere in Hoboken it takes just three minutes or more to arrive at SM…Our EMS personal are not paid for their services except the paramedics out of Med Center..The intangibles out weigh the tangibles at this time..We can’t blaim the present board of trustees alone..It’s a joint effort of inept people in the past..Not to mention the clandistine crap that went on a few years back discharging but not arresting them..Thats another story..It’s a proud thing to maintain ones integrity and work than depend on ssi or some kind of govt assistance..that forces people to try and get over on the system..Lets hope a solution can be found..b 4.. [/quote]

  10. wiskeytango1 says:

    That may because soccer is not a popular sport in the usa if your refering to Red Bull Stadium. May i ask what the stadium has to do with the hospital?

  11. HearditallB4 says:

    My point was mismanagement of funds that were supposed to increase revenue. Soccer is becoming more popular in the US. Hoboken hired who they thought were experts in turning around hospitals, only to have them walk away. Harrison turned unused property into a stadium that its mayor thought would draw revenue as well. Both had experts at the helm and both were a disappointment. Secondly I cited how Christie’s speech saying NO municipality can go broke, only to have him name 3 cities that are on the verge of bankruptcy. Confusing.

    • wiskeytango1 says:

      heard your to kind..lots of thieft..lots of hush hush.lots of perps let go..that all adds up shhhh..Now its the economy..can you explain how this govt can send billions to afgan pakistan isreal and we still have people out of work ? billions..on f 16 fighter costs 60,000 dollars..just one..focus on washington DC.. Our kids in the mideast have to come home…It was like this in the early 30’s after the crash in 1929,but the beat goes on…The war in the mideast is as long as nam…focus on that one. What are these kids gonna come home too???[quote comment=”211451″]My point was mismanagement of funds that were supposed to increase revenue. Soccer is becoming more popular in the US. Hoboken hired who they thought were experts in turning around hospitals, only to have them walk away. Harrison turned unused property into a stadium that its mayor thought would draw revenue as well. Both had experts at the helm and both were a disappointment. Secondly I cited how Christie’s speech saying NO municipality can go broke, only to have him name 3 cities that are on the verge of bankruptcy. Confusing.[/quote]

      • HearditallB4 says:

        IA! Probably lot of clandestine meetings/deals etc. I’m just tired of the mismanagment of funds not only in HUMC but Hoboken as well. IA this war in the mideast is going to last as long as Viet Nam, if not longer. Wish I could answer your questions, but unfortunately I can’t. Don’t want to get frustrated any more you make very valid points, but I can’t prove thefts, etc. wish someone could. Have a nice weekend. 😀 😀 [quote comment=”211468″]heard your to kind..lots of thieft..lots of hush hush.lots of perps let go..that all adds up shhhh..Now its the economy..can you explain how this govt can send billions to afgan pakistan isreal and we still have people out of work ? billions..on f 16 fighter costs 60,000 dollars..just one..focus on washington DC.. Our kids in the mideast have to come home…It was like this in the early 30′s after the crash in 1929,but the beat goes on…The war in the mideast is as long as nam…focus on that one. What are these kids gonna come home too???[/quote]

      • wiskeytango1 says:

        heard we are all tired of the new order and the crap…As for SM chit going on a few years ago,you have to know tales out of school were the norm then.Half had to be true..It’s history now. there are a few good doctors and the after care is better than average.. Im just asking you to consider your our governments foreign policy and the fear of medicare medicade ssi that can effect many of us..Not one barker complains about what comes out of their federal taxes..Jobs farmed out over seas..victoria secret undies PJs shirts made in south east asia…The hospital is an issue but over all concern ourselves with pentions,SS SSI medicare and medicade..The hankey pankey continues in corperate industry yet it seems those who live here earn 6 figures have the most to bitch about..stay well heard it b 4..we are all tired. :roll: [quote comment=”211487″]IA! Probably lot of clandestine meetings/deals etc. I’m just tired of the mismanagment of funds not only in HUMC but Hoboken as well. IA this war in the mideast is going to last as long as Viet Nam, if not longer. Wish I could answer your questions, but unfortunately I can’t. Don’t want to get frustrated any more you make very valid points, but I can’t prove thefts, etc. wish someone could. Have a nice weekend. [/quote]

  12. HearditallB4 says:

    P.S. sure it rids the city of a $52mm bond agreement in which the State held the bonds and the City managed them. Sorry but for all the non-transparency in this sale there are still many questions surrounding the sale. :( :(

    • wiskeytango1 says:

      heard it b 4..your opinion..first off soccer is not the sport of choice in this country.Still don’t know what the red bulls have to do with building up revenue in Harrison,a small down/ mayor earns peanuts compared to hoboken’s mayor.The Devil stadium in the neck or ironbound section of newark is not drawing crowds such as they did at the meadowlands.If their winners you will see the crowds and revenue increase..you of course know how much money is donated by celeberties to Hanckensack hospital? Imus himself has a wing for children..It’s all about money and proper mgmt.They saw the iceberg coming years ago..Nothing said about clandistine going on regard thieft a few years ago..hush hush..A hackensack doctor told me that don’t think the free med care in france germany etc is all it’s cracked up to be. I agree with you,,Numbers mean chit ..It’s about saving the hospital..It’s in their hands..[quote comment=”211452″]P.S. sure it rids the city of a $52mm bond agreement in which the State held the bonds and the City managed them. Sorry but for all the non-transparency in this sale there are still many questions surrounding the sale. [/quote]

  13. spiffy says:

    Not surprised by the lack of transparency in this deal from the beginning. Now we find out about taxable/non-taxable bonds, parking spot giveaways and the threat of layoffs. You ever wonder why none of this was brought forward earlier?

  14. jc5201 says:

    Great quote from Booker, but interesting to see how he has changed his point of view. Aren’t his lawyers helping Zimmer do this? Unreal.

    How in the hell does an administration not research how long a simple lease agreement is allowable by law? Public sector lawyers and officials are supposed to know public law, right? Insane!

    • hobokenj says:

      I have to agree, this does not seem like some crazy loop hole law. this should have been picked up during simple due diligence by the law firms we pay 1000’s to.

      I would like to hear Mason come out and demand that what a portion of what we have paid to these lawyers be refunded as they clearly performed a horrible job and should have some liability in this….disaster.

      And who in their rt mind gives a 100 year lease. That’s just outright foolish/corrupt. What was the average cost of anything in 1911 compared to 2011 cost, you know you are losing out by giving this type of give away. And by an insane amount I might add.

      [quote comment=”211719″]Great quote from Booker, but interesting to see how he has changed his point of view. Aren’t his lawyers helping Zimmer do this? Unreal.How in the hell does an administration not research how long a simple lease agreement is allowable by law? Public sector lawyers and officials are supposed to know public law, right? Insane![/quote]

      • youme66 says:

        This is the same old corruption that has hurt Hoboken in the past. I’ve come to realize that Dawn Zimmer really doesn’t care about Hoboken, she’s more caught up in her new found political career and her delusional sense of power. This deal is all about securing major campaign contributions for her 2013 campaign. She’s hoping by doing business with Christie’s friends, Zimmer will benefit from their big wallets in the very near future.

        Both the non-transparent hospital deal and the illegal parking agreement have been shady from the start. The deceitful Zimmer administration has been engaged in dirty self-serving back-room shenanigans to try to ram this destructive deal through as quickly as possible.

        The town, the residents, the community all lose from this bad deal. Zimmer doesn’t care though, she’s hoping to cash in on it.

        Dawn Zimmer’s slogan, Change That’s Working, should be modified to Corruption That’s Working For Me![quote comment=”211738″]I have to agree, this does not seem like some crazy loop hole law. this should have been picked up during simple due diligence by the law firms we pay 1000′s to.I would like to hear Mason come out and demand that what a portion of what we have paid to these lawyers be refunded as they clearly performed a horrible job and should have some liability in this….disaster.And who in their rt mind gives a 100 year lease. That’s just outright foolish/corrupt. What was the average cost of anything in 1911 compared to 2011 cost, you know you are losing out by giving this type of give away. And by an insane amount I might add.[/quote]

      • wiskeytango1 says:

        66 not corruption more than inept..a millionaire with two diamond centers on the east and west coast dont need the wood wise guy term $$$$ Its about inept and not political wise..She dosent need money. She just hires more and more and wants layoffs which is weird.! ‘Red vest just hired jerkoffs to keep his position This dream hires kids as aids and wants massive layoffs..Again you zimmeretts got what you voted for..no clue about running a city with 55k…Lord help us..[quote comment=”211739″]This is the same old corruption that has hurt Hoboken in the past. I’ve come to realize that Dawn Zimmer really doesn’t care about Hoboken, she’s more caught up in her new found political career and her delusional sense of power. This deal is all about securing major campaign contributions for her 2013 campaign. She’s hoping by doing business with Christie’s friends, Zimmer will benefit from their big wallets in the very near future.Both the non-transparent hospital deal and the illegal parking agreement have been shady from the start. The deceitful Zimmer administration has been engaged in dirty self-serving back-room shenanigans to try to ram this destructive deal through as quickly as possible.The town, the residents, the community all lose from this bad deal. Zimmer doesn’t care though, she’s hoping to cash in on it.Dawn Zimmer’s slogan, Change That’s Working, should be modified to Corruption That’s Working For Me![/quote]

  15. wiskeytango1 says:

    hershey panties Nancy Pincus for some reason this troll is stalking me…. Its a pity this arse wipe cannot get on this 411 site.. She uses 20 different names akas.. Dawns towel wipe.. :mrgreen:

    • HearditallB4 says:

      I have some questions somewhat off topic that need clarification. It was my understanding that the hospital leased the parking facility to the City for $1.00. Since HUMC was given bankruptcy status why was the 4.5mm owed to the HPU not settled in bankruptcy court along with the other outstanding debts. The HPU is an autonomous body so therefore bills must be paid. Secondly I don’t know if anyone knows this or not but those employees that were laid off as of 10/25 have to file for their severance pay in bankruptcy court. Since the letters they received stated that their services were no longer needed when Holdco took over now that the sale has been stalled for a while does that mean those employees layoffs are recinded?
      Apparently these employees were led to believe at the end of their business day on Tuesday that the deal was already closed, no-one had an inkling that Holdco could still stall the closing up until midnight of the 10/25. Apparently these employees went home filed for UI, etc. with the knowledge (or so they thought) that it was signed, sealed and delivered. Well since the council majority was able to pass the 4.5mm bond that was necessary to clear up HPU debt what is Holdco’s reluctance now? We know that Mrs. Zimmer has repeatedly said that if Holdco pulled out of the deal the hospital would close down immediately, now there is no money according to TPTB to meet this payroll, so what happens on Sunday is pretty much a given that the council minority will not concede just what does the Council majority need from them if shutdown is imminent? They can’t meet payroll even though the creditors have been satisfied as well as the HPU so is this leasing loophole the holdup? So just how long will that take to clear up and keep the hospital operational if there is no money? Can someone help me understand these issues, I would greatly appreciate it. :)[quote comment=”211772″]hershey panties Nancy Pincus for some reason this troll is stalking me…. Its a pity this arse wipe cannot get on this 411 site.. She uses 20 different names akas.. Dawns towel wipe.. [/quote]

      • HearditallB4 says:

        Well the council minority proved the mayor was apparently tryiing to strong arm their vote. They got the agreement they wanted and they will even have a say on the new board. Holdco was apparently willing to negotiate, though Zimmer would not say that. Kudos to Beth, Michael, Terry and Timmy. Now let us see if Holdco will re-hire some of those people that were laid off. 😛 [quote comment=”211811″]I have some questions somewhat off topic that need clarification. It was my understanding that the hospital leased the parking facility to the City for $1.00. Since HUMC was given bankruptcy status why was the 4.5mm owed to the HPU not settled in bankruptcy court along with the other outstanding debts. The HPU is an autonomous body so therefore bills must be paid. Secondly I don’t know if anyone knows this or not but those employees that were laid off as of 10/25 have to file for their severance pay in bankruptcy court. Since the letters they received stated that their services were no longer needed when Holdco took over now that the sale has been stalled for a while does that mean those employees layoffs are recinded?Apparently these employees were led to believe at the end of their business day on Tuesday that the deal was already closed, no-one had an inkling that Holdco could still stall the closing up until midnight of the 10/25. Apparently these employees went home filed for UI, etc. with the knowledge (or so they thought) that it was signed, sealed and delivered. Well since the council majority was able to pass the 4.5mm bond that was necessary to clear up HPU debt what is Holdco’s reluctance now? We know that Mrs. Zimmer has repeatedly said that if Holdco pulled out of the deal the hospital would close down immediately, now there is no money according to TPTB to meet this payroll, so what happens on Sunday is pretty much a given that the council minority will not concede just what does the Council majority need from them if shutdown is imminent? They can’t meet payroll even though the creditors have been satisfied as well as the HPU so is this leasing loophole the holdup? So just how long will that take to clear up and keep the hospital operational if there is no money? Can someone help me understand these issues, I would greatly appreciate it. [/quote]

  16. HomeTeam says:

    Since HUMC no longer takes any insurance offered by a major carrier from what I can tell(maybe an exception for Hoboken City plan?), maybe deaths will go down as others seek out more reputable facilities?

  17. georgerafter says:

    So this info shows that a person is twice as likely to die at BMC as he/she would at JCMC ?

  18. georgerafter says:

    Pretty scary stuff. Ya think there would be a comment or two on here from the Zimmer Zombies. I have four letters and one name for this data: DHSS O’Dowd.

  19. John Lynch says:

    Dear residents, your friends in Jersey City need your help, please post your stories, on the Facebook Page Save Christ Hospital https://www.facebook.com/savechristhospital of your experiences and any challenges you have had at Hoboken and Bayonne Hospitals, such as insurance not being accepted, service issues, ect under the new Ownership.

    Save Christ Hospital

    • spiffy says:

      The latest news coming out of Christ Hospital must make the Zimmer crew nervous. [quote comment=”214772″]Dear residents, your friends in Jersey City need your help, please post your stories, on the Facebook Page Save Christ Hospital of your experiences and any challenges you have had at Hoboken and Bayonne Hospitals, such as insurance not being accepted, service issues, ect under the new Ownership.Save Christ Hospital[/quote]

      • HearditallB4 says:

        My list of bad experiences is too long to post. But let me sum it up briefly in the midst of life-sustaining treatments I was informed by snail mail dated 8 days prior that my insurance was not going to be accepted 2 days prior to my infusion. Amazing!! I reached 😥 😥 out to my physicians who helped me by referring my case to their colleagues on staff at Christ and other facilities in the area. I am one of many of these cases. The HUMC deal was the worst thing that has happened to the residents of Hoboken. What good is saving a hospital that many residents can’t use? Political gain was the intention here not the well-being of the many patients that need the facility. On a side note, many employees were laid off and STILL have not received their severance (sp) pay with no definite date as to when this will happen. SMH[quote comment=”214781″]The latest news coming out of Christ Hospital must make the Zimmer crew nervous.[/quote]

  20. HearditallB4 says:

    Now HUMC owns Christ Hospital! Amazing!!! Article says he owns land and building but will lease to JC Medical Center. What the hell does that mean? Who’s running the show now? You can bet now that he owns 3 Hudson County hospitals he will change things so much that we won’t know where the hell we can go. SMH 😥

  21. krewedetat says:

    Again, “everything” is a big word, but Zimmer is blowing this one and it’s going to cost us millions.

    Face it, Colin — finances are not Dawn’s “Theme”

    In response to Colin who said:

    Matt,

    Please stop interfering with the “Everything is Dawn’s fault” Theme

  22. Colin says:

    Krew,

    When Roberts originally put the city on the hook for 52 million with the hospital did Dawn support it?

    In response to krewedetat who said:

    Again, “everything” is a big word, but Zimmer is blowing this one and it’s going to cost us millions.

    Face it, Colin — finances are not Dawn’s “Theme”

  23. Red Haven says:

    By not speaking up against it she supported it. Beth Mason is the only candidate for Mayor who stood up against the taxpayer guarantee on the $52 million bond. Beth was the only one who stood up to say throwing more money at a failed business model would only be a short term solution and that more work needed to be done to find a long-term plan to save the hospital.

    Nobody even knew who Dawn Zimmer was in December of 2006 when this was going on, but her string-pullers MikeLenz, Peter Cunningham and Carol Marsh were silent while Dave Roberts rammed this through the council. They were silent because they thought they would take too much of a political hit if they spoke up. Cowards all.

    Beth Mason saw this problem coming in 2006 and had the courage to stand up and fight. Zimmer and her crew were missing in action. Dawn’s solution is to secretly appoint someone known for running a hospital into the red to the HMHA board.

    It’s well past time to re-think your vote Colin. Time to put your friendships aside, reexamine your core values and consider what is best for all of Hoboken.

    In response to Colin who said:

    Krew,

    When Roberts originally put the city on the hook for 52 million with the hospital did Dawn support it?

  24. Colin says:

    C’mon Red, “By not speaking up against it she supported it.” That’s a bit of a stretch.

    Here is a good thread with the history. I would hope you would agree that Dave Roberts is the one to blame for this 52 million dollar mess

    http://hoboken411.com/archives/4413

    In response to Red Haven who said:

    By not speaking up against it she supported it. Beth Mason is the only candidate for Mayor who stood up against the taxpayer guarantee on the $52 million bond. Beth was the only one who stood up to say throwing more money at a failed business model would only be a short term solution and that more work needed to be done to find a long-term plan to save the hospital.

    Nobody even knew who Dawn Zimmer was in December of 2006 when this was going on, but her string-pullers MikeLenz, Peter Cunningham and Carol Marsh were silent while Dave Roberts rammed this through the council. They were silent because they thought they would take too much of a political hit if they spoke up. Cowards all.

    Beth Mason saw this problem coming in 2006 and had the courage to stand up and fight. Zimmer and her crew were missing in action. Dawn’s solution is to secretly appoint someone known for running a hospital into the red to the HMHA board.

    It’s well past time to re-think your vote Colin. Time to put your friendships aside, reexamine your core values and consider what is best for all of Hoboken.

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