Smoking Ban – What next?

As an update to this original post from last month, it's now official. No success from the lobbyists trying to delay the law. Smoking banned in Hoboken and the rest of NJ bars as of this Saturday the 15th at Midnight.

I'm sure most of you are excited, but I think this whole thing is getting nonsensical. There could have been a better way. Like certain days of the week. A compromise. Something. Now our civil liberties are getting squished further and further.

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More and more communities and cities are voting to take away our freedom. As it stands now, New Jersey's smoking ban goes in effect on April 15th. The legislators and lobbyists are driving me mad. This should be the sequel to "V for Vendetta". What is happening here? vendetta.jpg Here's a current news article discussing the coalition that formed to send the smoking ban up in smoke.

– A coalition of bars, restaurants and bowling alley operators wants to send the state's indoor smoking ban up in smoke.

They've filed a federal lawsuit to strike down the ban, calling it unconstitutional.The ban goes into effect April 15th. It bans smoking in indoor places with the exception of casino floors in Atlantic City.The owner of Lorenzo's Restaurant in Trenton said the exclusion gives the casinos an unfair advantage.

New Jersey is the eleventh state to impose such a ban. But it's the first to explicitly exempt casinos.

A judge could strike down the casino exemption or send it back to the Legislature or uphold the ban.

I don't know, if were Tony Soprano, I'd ice these guys in a heart beat. Take a look at this town in California!!

Public Smoking Ban Starts Friday By Shawn McGinnis, KTLA News March 15, 2006, 6:22 PM PST CALABASAS — A first of its kind ban on smoking in all public places goes into effect Friday in Calabasas. The city's anti-smoking measure promises to make Calabasas the first virtually smoke-free city in the country by banning smoking on sidewalks, bus stops, parks, outdoor businesses, restaurant patios and condominium common areas. Smoking will be allowed only in designated areas at shopping malls or at work. Last month, California air-quality regulators became the first in the country to declare secondhand smoke a toxic air pollutant. The Calabasas ordinance cites 52,000 non-smokers killed each year by secondhand smoke, including 3,000 from lung cancer. But not everyone agrees with the new law. It will be the responsibility of Calabasas business owners to enforce the ban in their establishments. Many of them say they plan to look the other way. However, members of the general public may report breaches of the law to authorities. Violators could be fined up to $500, while repeat offenders could face jail time.

Ok, let's start with the most retarded part of this new ban – "Violators could be fined up to $500, while repeat offenders could face jail time." Jail time?? Have they nothing better to do in Calabasas, CA? Friggin LIBERALS!! Don't you think it should be the business owners choice? I really don't like the government telling a person how to run their establisment. Smoking may be bad for your health, but it shouldn't be criminalized. The government doesn't need a say in every aspect of our lives. And you call America a "Free Country"? The news articltle SHOULD have read: "Following the passage of a new city ordinance, smokers are forbidden to publically smoke in the city of Calabasas California. or as I refer to it: Nazi Germany." "Ridiculous, completely ridiculous!"

80 Responses

  1. citygirl says:

    maybe once they embed the chips under our skin, they will start doing the testing with no consent needed? if you look at it from that perspective, its a great idea. in retrospect, if they continue to oppress us with these new “laws” the concept is not far away and quite scarey.

  2. beamrider9 says:

    [quote comment=”54226″]If you are looking to protect people from themselves or ‘idiots’, where does it end.[/quote]

    What does this have to do with the smoking ban? The smoking ban isn’t about protecting people from themselves – it protects non-smokers from smokers. You still have the right to exercise poor judgement and take up smoking if you so choose.

  3. HansBrix says:

    [quote comment=”54228″]I think we can all look forward to a “chip” placed in between are shoulders (like our pups) so the government and corporate amercia aka nazis can monitor our every move?? any thoughts?[/quote]

    Ding ding ding! Godwin’s Law has been invoked!

    ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law )

  4. potatochip says:

    Just a little tip to some of you out there. I live in the vicinity of several different bars. A few times I noticed that bar owners/managers were not cleaning up after their smokers outside.

    I just called them up and said I was a concerned neighbor and to please clean up after your guests and buy some sort of device for people to dispose of their waste. If you call a few times, they will do something about it, especially when you threaten to get the health department involved. It worked on a few places downtown.

    You just have to be vocal people. Too many of you rely on powerless councilmen to do your dirty work. It’s amazing what you can get down by just having enough balls and confidence in your own ability’s to get things done. Try it!! :)

  5. SFH says:

    Re: Post #54–MorrisCK–I seriously doubt that there ever will be laws that ban smoking in apartments, coops, condos or single family houses. What most likely will happen, IMO, is that insurance companies will give landlords a discount as an incentive to keep their buildings smoke-free. Or perhaps some landlords who have big enough buildings will have separate smoking and non-smoking floors with more rent charged to people who rent smoking apartments. Just my two cents…we’ll see.

    Yes, citygirl did indeed invoke Godwin’s Law 😆 Besides, citygirl, do you really think that the ACLU would stand for that–putting a chip in us all? Hell, no! They would have their undies in a bunch over that one!

  6. Katie_Scarlett says:

    Beam- Thanks for the lesson in a straw man argument. But, I don’t see how it applies. So, find in my post where I said drinking should be banned. My point was simple- if you spend enough time in a bar for second hand smoke to affect you, then you most likely have done some serious damage to your liver. That’s all. Oh, that and I think that living in a nanny state is intolerable.

    As for “fear mongering” … I was just pointing out that our gov’t is spending money to run studies to prove alcohol has links to cancer. That’s all. Take from it what you will.

    Like I said before, this is all fine and dandy until they take away something you enjoy.

    And SFH thanks. I finally quit. I finally was inspired to… as opposed to all the other times I tried to quit because someone wanted me to. 😆

  7. bmacqueens says:

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23075001/

    There you go folks. Second hand smoke can be fatal. Granted, this person had a pre-existing asthma condition, but for everyone out there who is on the pro-smoker side and asserts that 2nd hand smoke is harmless … sometimes it ain’t.

    After 9/11, I needed asthma medicine every time I went into a still-smoky bar. This story proves my case.

  8. matt_72 says:

    We better ban cats & dogs b/c their dander/hair triggers asthma attacks too. And don’t forget carpets, the dust mites living there can cause asthma attacks. And no more flowers in public areas, the pollen from flowers causes asthma as well. WHile we are at it, we should ban all the foods people commonly are allergic to from all restaurants including peanuts, shellfish, tomatoes, strawberries, etc……

    I feel sorry for her – but it was her choice to work in an environment where she could have an asthma attack and she didn’t even have an inhaler with her. She is as much to blame as someone who is allergic to shellfish is when they knowingly eat a crabcake. If they have a bad reaction, it is their fault (not society’s).

    As for those statistics – they are as valid as the statistics that Soros put out on deaths in Iraq: they were created by someone w/ an agenda and are not at all to be trusted. Here is an article on Soros and his twisted math…..
    nypost.com/seven/01102008/news/worl...raq_death_study_was_a_sham_8493.htm

  9. bmacqueens says:

    Hey, Matt — Like it or not, whether it agrees with your politics or not, here’s the case that disproves the assertion that 2nd-hand smoke never killed anyone, much less never harmed anyone.

    Stuff that in your pipe and smoke it.

  10. hooter-boken says:

    I always wonder if the girls that work in Bath and Body Works or The Body Shop will have future problems with their lungs?? They are required to burn those over-smelly scented oils so thick that it smells up the whole mall all day everyday(that can’t possibly be healthy)!! 💡

  11. nbm3 says:

    [quote comment=”67227″]We better ban cats & dogs b/c their dander/hair triggers asthma attacks too. And don’t forget carpets, the dust mites living there can cause asthma attacks. And no more flowers in public areas, the pollen from flowers causes asthma as well. WHile we are at it, we should ban all the foods people commonly are allergic to from all restaurants including peanuts, shellfish, tomatoes, strawberries, etc……

    I feel sorry for her – but it was her choice to work in an environment where she could have an asthma attack and she didn’t even have an inhaler with her. She is as much to blame as someone who is allergic to shellfish is when they knowingly eat a crabcake. If they have a bad reaction, it is their fault (not society’s).

    As for those statistics – they are as valid as the statistics that Soros put out on deaths in Iraq: they were created by someone w/ an agenda and are not at all to be trusted. Here is an article on Soros and his twisted math…..
    nypost.com/seven/01102008/news/worl...ath_study_was_a_sham_8493.htm/quote
    Well said matt
    Way too much regulation over our lives by the goverment

  12. matt_72 says:

    [quote comment=”67228″]Hey, Matt — Like it or not, whether it agrees with your politics or not, here’s the case that disproves the assertion that 2nd-hand smoke never killed anyone, much less never harmed anyone.

    Stuff that in your pipe and smoke it.[/quote]

    And I bet can find extreme examples where someone got killed by an allergic reaction to just about any allergen. Does that mean I ban that “item” in every public place in the country? Not at all. Especially when it is purely by personal choice that individuals are in an environment where that allergen is present. And smoking isn’t at all the only thing that causes people to either have an asthma attack (or help cause asthma to begin with). (SEE MY PREVIOUS POST) There are a few other things that maybe should be added to my banned list if you want complete protection: central AC, the internal combustion engine, coal fired generation plants and indoor recess/play by kids. Lets not just get rid of asthma, lets get rid of some of the factors that are believed to cause asthma in the first place! (NOT)

    But hey, you sound like one of those people that want “cradel to the grave” protection from the government. Well, don’t complain when you get what you wish for and your taxes go through the roof and your life is boring b/c pretty much everything you enjoy is banned b/c it is either “too risky” or “unhealthy”.

  13. matt_72 says:

    [quote comment=”67230″]I always wonder if the girls that work in Bath and Body Works or The Body Shop will have future problems with their lungs?? They are required to burn those over-smelly scented oils so thick that it smells up the whole mall all day everyday(that can’t possibly be healthy)!! :idea:[/quote]

    Lots of people have reactions to perfumed items. Don’t forget deodarant, laundry detergent, soap and all the other products that are made w/ scents from the “banned list”. Perfumes are also a well known cause of asthma attacks. We better ban scented products in public places too.

  14. Yankgrl says:

    [quote comment=”67253″][quote comment=”67230″]I always wonder if the girls that work in Bath and Body Works or The Body Shop will have future problems with their lungs?? They are required to burn those over-smelly scented oils so thick that it smells up the whole mall all day everyday(that can’t possibly be healthy)!! :idea:[/quote]

    Lots of people have reactions to perfumed items. Don’t forget deodarant, laundry detergent, soap and all the other products that are made w/ scents from the “banned list”.

    Perfumes are also a well known cause of asthma attacks. We better ban scented products in public places too.[/quote]

    I worked at Bath and Body Works in college….my nose and tolerance to scents were never the same. :roll:

  15. hooter-boken says:

    Matt I was being serious, stop being so over dramatic…please! That stuff has to be harmful, breathing those fumes for an entire shift daily seems like a lung liner, there is actual debris on the burners?? I was just wondering and posing a ? not declaring a war. I am actually very fond of perfumed items and agree with your post#68. I just don’t remember mentioning reactions or banning. ❓

  16. hooter-boken says:

    [quote comment=”67258″][quote comment=”67253″][quote comment=”67230″]I always wonder if the girls that work in Bath and Body Works or The Body Shop will have future problems with their lungs?? They are required to burn those over-smelly scented oils so thick that it smells up the whole mall all day everyday(that can’t possibly be healthy)!! :idea:[/quote]

    Lots of people have reactions to perfumed items. Don’t forget deodarant, laundry detergent, soap and all the other products that are made w/ scents from the “banned list”.

    Perfumes are also a well known cause of asthma attacks. We better ban scented products in public places too.[/quote]

    I worked at Bath and Body Works in college….my nose and tolerance to scents were never the same.

    :roll:[/quote]

    I rest my case. 8)

  17. potatochip says:

    The NY Times had a focus all weekend about how the smoking ban has turned our area upside down.

    They did a piece on Saturday about how cocky area lawyers started suing their neighbors for smoking to how the unemployed “please get a life stroller people” need to stop hanging out in bars with their kids for “mommy relief” time.

    They covered all parts of the debate and very well written. Check it out.

  18. matt_72 says:

    [quote comment=”67267″]The NY Times had a focus all weekend about how the smoking ban has turned our area upside down.

    They did a piece on Saturday about how cocky area lawyers started suing their neighbors for smoking to how the unemployed “please get a life stroller people” need to stop hanging out in bars with their kids for “mommy relief” time.

    They covered all parts of the debate and very well written. Check it out.[/quote]

    That is what happens when you live next to a lawyer. The only thing worse than living next to a bunch of lawyers is to elect one as President (or Congress for that matter).

  19. PersonalAlchemy.com says:

    [quote comment=”67253″][quote comment=”67230″]I always wonder if the girls that work in Bath and Body Works or The Body Shop will have future problems with their lungs?? They are required to burn those over-smelly scented oils so thick that it smells up the whole mall all day everyday(that can’t possibly be healthy)!! :idea:[/quote]

    I know what you mean. I NEVER shop there because I can’t stand the smell. It’s much to strong.

    Lots of people have reactions to perfumed items. Don’t forget deodarant, laundry detergent, soap and all the other products that are made w/ scents from the “banned list”.

    Perfumes are also a well known cause of asthma attacks. We better ban scented products in public places too.[/quote]

  20. MidnightRacer says:

    For the smokers out there, your tax just (almost) tripled. From $0.39/pack to $1.02/pack:
    http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D979POSG0&show_article=1

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