NJ Transit Plan Unveiled
9/26/2008 Update:
[411 note: All history from the past two years can be found on this thread.]
See the 54 page presentation from FXFowle here.
Disastrous Plan Unveiled

Look closely at that picture and you’ll barely be able to make out Hoboken. It’s the little town on the right dwarfed by the largest buildings in New Jersey.
This is the future for Hoboken that Mayor David Roberts is enthusiastically supporting. It’s the redevelopment plan cooked up by NJ Transit and their designated developer LCOR. That’s an actual artist’s rendering of what the proposed project could look like. A line of high-rise buildings up to 780 feet (78 stories) tall, with 480 foot (48 story) tall buildings lining Observer Highway. Squint and you may be able to make out the new Hoboken Terminal Clock Tower, dwarfed and marginalized by a cluster of towering monoliths. Here is a sample of last night’s public reaction to the proposal:
Hoboken residents used to count on the rail yards as a buffer from the encroaching high-rise development of Jersey City. Now NJ Transit wants to develop buildings in Hoboken that are taller, and more closely spaced than anything at Newport and Roberts is all for it. There was open laughter when the planners from FXFowle actually said this project was “Sensitive to Hoboken’s scale and character.”
Roberts and Bado ignore public input
Hoboken Community Development Director Fred Bado opened the so-called “Public Meeting” by calling it “A very exciting night that achieves the vision that this group started off with in the beginning of the process.” Who was he talking about? The public? No, he was referring to himself, his boss the Mayor, the developers at LCOR and New Jersey Transit, plus their hand-picked planners from FXFowle. Bado was essentially admitting the planners essentially ignored all public comment from previous meetings and followed their orders to turn southern Hoboken into New Jersey’s answer to the Word Trade Center.
Read more about the ridiculous proposal after the jump…
(NJ Transit plans from Hell, continued…)
Bad idea, bad timing, just plain bad
A few years ago Jersey City was touted for being a post-9/11 “Wall Street West” success story. Now as Bear Stearns and Lehman Brothers disappear with massive layoffs, Jersey City is bracing for a big hit. So, that must mean it’s a great time to plan to build up to 5.5 million square feet of commercial space in Hoboken! The real estate market is soft and getting softer, so why not add 3500 residential units to the Mile Square inventory? Hobokenites have long fought to keep their neighborhoods in scale, so why not build the tallest building in New Jersey right here! This is the skewed logic of Mayor Roberts and his co-conspirators.

Looking for new recreational space? Not here.
FXFowle claims the plan includes about 7 acres of “public open space” but they include nearly three acres at raised and upper levels. They also include existing space in the calculations, and put Pier A (not their property) in all of their drawings to make it look like there was more green space in the plan than there is. If you want to get to the “open space” over the terminal you will need to be in shape to climb 40 feet of steps from Observer Highway up to the entrance to a 78-story building. They also plan to put some “green” on the roof of the terminal building, and rehab a small, out-of-the-way pier. Just the thing if you miss your train to Morristown, but nothing Hoboken residents would ever bother with. No soccer field, no baseball, no bocce ball, nothing but a small lawn in front of skyscrapers. Who are they kidding?
PHOTO GALLERY (HOLD MOUSE OVER IMAGE TO NAVIGATE – 14 PHOTOS IN THIS SET)
The City Council Reacts
Four members of the council were seen at the meeting. Council President Nino Giacchi, 2nd ward Councilwoman Beth Mason, 3rd ward Councilman Mike Russo, and 4th ward Councilwoman Dawn Zimmer. Mayor Roberts didn’t stay to hear the public comments. Mason said she had many concerns, noting the planners were focused on “The Development” but said little about its impact and relationship on the rest of Hoboken. Russo answered public questions about the process, and noted people should not assume the council approves of everything the planners presented. Zimmer went further, stressing this plan comes from the Mayor and she was against it, adding, “This development is going to crush the 4th ward and the 1st ward.”
“Substantially Inconsistent” with the Master Plan
Leah Healey of HobokenParks.org pointed out the project flies in the face of the directives of the Hoboken Master Plan, which states projects exactly like this one are not appropriate for the rail yards. Healey also challenged the idea that NJ Transit can arrogantly dismiss local laws when developing non-transit related projects. An attorney for NJ Transit refuted the claim, but failed to cite specifics in the law to back it up.
The city shut the meeting down before 10pm before all members of the public had the chance to speak. The meeting was videotaped for Channel 78 and unlike last time, a wireless microphone was provided for the audience.
Can you believe they want to build the tallest buildings in New Jersey here in low-rise Hoboken?
48 story apartment buildings on Observer Highway?
Share your thoughts in the comments section, and watch Hoboken411 for updates. Remember… Hoboken411 told you first this was coming almost two years ago!
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70 Responses to ** NJ Transit Plan Unveiled **
September 26th, 2008 |
In response to Journey who said:
Much obliged.
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September 26th, 2008 |
In response to matt_72 who said:
Quite correct. Again with 800 Jackson:
(HR 10/4/2004) On Wednesday, Roberts met with five members of the organization and said he would meet with them weekly. “We are here to meet with a dynamic group of citizen activists to develop a definable mission with a clear beginning and a clear end,” said Roberts. “We want to use our master plan to acquire identified parcels for open space the best we can.”
The first property he is eyeing, 800 Jackson St., is situated in the Northwest Redevelopment Zone. The zone is a formerly blighted area whose zoning was changed to promote development. The other property…Roberts said that while he is not ready to publicly unveil the plans the administration is working on, there is a fiscally responsible plan where both of these properties can become parks.
He added that he has been in close contact with the owners of these properties and had serious talks to make parks a reality at both of those locations.
“All of 1600 Park, and all of 800 Jackson will be public space,” said a definitive Roberts.
(HR 3/6/2005) Roberts said Thursday that it certainly was his intention to make the area a park, but once the due diligence process was undertaken, it became evident that spending $10 million or more for such a small piece of property would not be the best use of the city’s money.
Why?
David Roberts was elected Mayor in 2001, promising voters that he would curb over-development. But since elected, he has collected roughly $420,000 from developers most of whom are building in Hoboken. Sciarra and Settembre [URSA] have contributed $38,150 to the Hoboken Democratic Party and the Hoboken United, the two political organizations controlled by the Mayor. Dean Geibel, the developer of 800 Jackson, has given $24,200 to these same political organizations.
http://www.betterwaterfront.com/news/00842005.shtml
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September 26th, 2008 |
I just wanted to compliment Red on showing everyone how a response to multiple commenters should be done:
http://hoboken411.com/?p=14008&cp=2#comment-108215
Good Job!
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September 26th, 2008 |
Well I for one applaud Mayor Roberts and the Hon. Michael Russo’s vision of the ‘New’ Hoboken. This is America, size does matter. If the old timers want a small scale city, they can move out to the burbs.
Some people have complained that they weren’t consulted during the design of the plan. But why should they have been. We all voted for the mayor to represent the city of Hoboken, so he has the people’s mandate. There is no need for him or his team to consult with the citizens of Hoboken over every minor decision.
Others complain that the occupants of the new development will actually be paying lower taxes than the rest of us (thanks to the pilot program). We’ll that’s just their good luck. If anyone wants to lower their taxes, the solution is simple, just buy a condo in the new development.
The mayor and his team know what’s best for the city of Hoboken and its residents. So just all stop whining and do as you’re told.
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September 26th, 2008 |
didn’t LCOR get designated a developer of the Queens West project in NYC? Folks might remember this was NY’s version of the Hoboken South real estate deal that gave us 333 River, the W. Only the citizens rose up and gave us Pier A–NOT the real estate market nor the master planners nor the failing city leadership. I wonder why LCOR got booted or de-designated for that? In any case, given that this is NJT land, will NJT even have to ABIDE by Hoboken Zoning since they are a state agency? Don’t underestimate the financial pressure that railroad is under. By the time they balance their budgets and pay back their bonds with this project there won’t be any money LEFT for Hoboken.
and THAT, my friends, would be oh-so-Mayor Dave Roberts.
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September 26th, 2008 |
With mile high buildings, can eminent domain be far behind?
Let’s hope those building are casinos. If the building are commercial the office workers will be looking for shops, restaurants etc and if they are condos…well we know the consequences of condos building too well. If they build casinos then at least the gamblers stay in the casino without polluting the town.
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September 27th, 2008 |
In response to wfs who said:
Thank you sir, may i have another?
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September 27th, 2008 |
With the economy spinning crazy where will they get a bank to back the project?
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September 27th, 2008 |
In response to escaped68 who said:
If they get the zoning variances now, they can wait to line up financing when the capital markets recover & outlook for real estate gets better. Best to nip this thing in the bud now so we don’t have to worry about it 5 years from now.
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September 27th, 2008 |
In response to escaped68 who said:
If they get the zoning variances now, they can wait to line up financing when the capital markets recover & outlook for real estate gets better. Best to nip this thing in the bud now so we don’t have to worry about it 5 years from now.
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September 27th, 2008 |
Let’s see how our city leaders handle this situation, that is the Mayor and Council? Thus far there has been gross mismanagement of the budget which has caused the state to take over our business. Remember, we have elected them to represent us…If we don’like what they are doing: vote them out! The upcoming May 09 election is coming faster than you think and will be more important than most think. It is time for a change to leaders that are up to the task of making things right. Follow the council meetings, read the local papers, and most importantly interact with 411. Think and then act
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September 27th, 2008 |
Holy Crap! I thought you were making those pictures up yourself, then I saw the Reporter. WTF!!!!!
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September 27th, 2008 |
I love the quote Roberts gave to the Reporter:
“You have to use the force to harness the power of development”
What the hell is this guy talking about?!? No wonder the city is turning quickly downhill. I am beginning to wonder whether Mayor Roberts in his advancing age is starting to lose his mind. I am completely serious about that. Many of the things he has been saying and doing lately are even more delusional than his usual old self.
This plan is wrong for Hoboken. No buzz-word and fancy smooth planner-speak will change that.
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September 28th, 2008 |
I always really disliked newport. This is just an extension of it.
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September 29th, 2008 |
“You have to use the force to harness the power of development”
I can’t wait for Hoboken411 to Photoshop a photo of Roberts as Yoda.
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September 29th, 2008 |
http://www.yodaspeak.co.uk/index.php
thank me later
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September 29th, 2008 |
take a look at the path of the sun 8 mos of the year. buildings of that size, south of the city, will cast a shadow over most of hoboken all winter.
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September 29th, 2008 |
In response to strand tramp who said:
Don’t worry, Roberts will make the sun rise higher and burn brighter to keep us all cheery & warm!
TX AZ’s outdoor seating is toast!
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October 4th, 2008 |
just catching the meeting on 78. yikes! not only is the plan ridiculous – NJ transit should really consider hiring new presenters. those guys were so thin skinned. did they really think they were going to be greeted as heros with this plan. so cranky and rude. was this their first ever public presentation??
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October 7th, 2008 |
In response to Foster who said:
Just caught a glimpse on channel 78 myself. Did the rep for this monstrosity REALLY compare the “Washington Steps” (whatever that is regarding this project at the transit site) to the “Spanish Steps” in Rome, stating something along the lines of, “well, aren’t the Spanish Steps of Rome considered public space”? Now I’ve heard everything!!!!
Go sell crazy somewhere else, we’re all stocked up here!
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