Who will be Obama’s VP?
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August
8/21/2008:
Fox News reported today that Democratic Presidential Candidate Barack Obama has “already picked” his running-mate for Vice President, but wouldn’t say who.
Who do you think it’ll be? Who is the best choice? Who would be the worst?
Barack's running mate will be:

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August 26th 2008 - 13:38:17 |
matt_72 wrote:
is the senate the only job he’s held in his lifetime? i wasn’t aware of that. you have your opinion on “falsehoods” and i have mine. that’s all that needs to be said because we’re not going to agree.
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August 26th 2008 - 13:48:30 |
MidnightRacer wrote:
please post a link or source to your scientific definition of person. it would also be helpful to post the arguments that have been held up in courts in an argument for the rights of an unborn child.
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August 26th 2008 - 14:14:26 |
jscirish27 wrote:
I hear ya, good advice. I’m getting me some beans.
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August 26th 2008 - 14:41:30 |
MidnightRacer wrote:
I don’t equate human to being a person. Humans are a species. A person is a human who has cognitive abilities. A fetus doesn’t have cognitive abilities from conception, therefore a fetus may be a human, but isn’t a person until they develop consciousness and the ability to continue to thrive after leaving the womb. That doesn’t happen at conception.
People who lose their mental faculties often lose their right to live and have any say in their fate, because they have lost that ability.
So back to the beginning:
This was a question of MF’s morals, not the science of pregnancy and the legal status of the fetus. How a pro-lifer can be pro-war, and not have any regrets for the loss of the innocent lives.
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August 26th 2008 - 15:34:45 |
As I like jscirish27’s take on no longer getting involved in political wars, this will be my last post in such discussion for a long long while.
bradykp (#162) and Easy (#164), you don’t need my definition, but rather you should refer to the forensics DNA definition of what a person is. Please refer also to any dictionary (hopefully a scientific one) on what a person is – because it’s clearly defined universally as a human. Which is why I always say a person is a human, period (there are no sub categories of partial human, kind of human, not so much human).
Now, you guys and others are more than welcome to have your personal opinion of what a person is. I don’t care. But when we get into legal discussion revolving around US Constitutional rights in the BoR, everyone shall find fact in scientific determination. Justices in a court are not scientific experts in determining person-hood status, they’re legal experts. For any court justice to rationalize what they think a person is, and ignore the scientific criteria is just flat out in error and falls under the fallacy of appeal to authority – meaning just because a justice is a judge and legal expert in law does not give credibility in their non-expert determination of species H. s. sapiens. (human).
Again, there’s no way anyone can say that a person is not plainly a human, and that a life form is as scientifically defined as such. The real debate is whether one person has more rights than another person, and sub-debate is under which circumstances may that apply. One is in the threat of death from pregnancy. Otherwise, abortion for other reasons other than threat of death is merely exercising the belief that one person has more rights than another person.
You guys can carry on, but I end my discussion here. If anyone else wants to take up where I leave off, feel free. I’m taking a break from all this for a while.
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August 26th 2008 - 15:53:36 |
MidnightRacer wrote:
i’d like to take a break also, but i still don’t see this DNA definition that you refer to. I googled it in various ways and am not finding it. it’s quite possibly i’m just missing it. regardless, i’m fine with someone else choosing to end the fetus/person/human – whatever you want to call it – in the first trimester. i’m not an advocate of it, and am not vocal about it, i don’t even think it should be a political issue. so if you want to define it as “choice” then fine, go for it. whatever. bottom line is, i wouldn’t do it and wouldn’t want any family members to do it, but there are many scenarios where that response might be different and thus, I’m ok with the medical procedure being available and legal. to the idiots that misuse the procedure – oh well, it’s gonna happen legal or not anyways.
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August 26th 2008 - 15:56:45 |
MidnightRacer wrote:
Great idea. Unless you think there’s something else you can add to it that still has nothing to do with the question I asked in the first place.
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