Ramos to NYC: Taxi’s are a ripoff
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March
3/28/2008:
File under: Political Posturing
Yesterday, Hoboken Councilman (and Assemblyman) Ruben Ramos sent a letter to the Commissioner of New York’s Taxi and Limousine Commission, citing “unfair” rates taxi drivers are charging customers for “short” trips across the Hudson. (see complete letter after the jump.)
What are your thoughts about this?
For one thing, it’s NYC law to allow taxi drivers to negotiate and “agree” to a flat fare to destinations outside of NYC limits. Call it “free market” if you must. Apparently, the rates that drivers are charging are what they deem to be fair, or in-line with what they’d stand to lose by leaving the city.
§2-35 Trips Beyond the City.
(a) For a trip beyond the limits of the City of New York, except for the counties of Westchester or Nassau, or the facilities of the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey at Newark Airport, the following shall be applicable:
(1) the driver shall not start the trip until agreement has been made on a flat rate, as set forth in Owner Rule §1-73;§1-73 Trips Beyond the City.
(a) For a trip beyond the limits of the City of New York, except for the Counties of Westchester or Nassau, or the facilities of the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey at Newark Airport, the fare shall be a flat rate. (A flat rate is a definite amount fixed between the driver and the passenger at the start of the trip. For example, “$20″ is a flat rate. “Double the meter” is not a flat rate and is not the proper fare.)
This is where the problem begins, and becomes complicated. It’s not our job to dictate what other city governments put into law, especially across borders. They handle their jurisdiction quite well as it is. You don’t see other cities writing letters to Hoboken telling us how much to charge for a trip to Jersey City, or Weehawken, etc. That too, is “negotiated.”
Once we start meddling with cross-border rules and regulations, you’re going to have a giant mess on your hands because other cities will want their piece of the action too.
One way to overcome that might be to have a giant “Tri-State TLC” or something along those lines, which would be an entire separate “governing body” with rules, rates, etc. for a much larger area. Of course, that’d be yet another layer of government to muck up. You ready for a third, fourth, fifth job, Ruben??
I think that lowering the fare would have minimal impact reducing drunk driving or fueling the economy… I think it’s just a political stunt to give Ramos press airtime.
How would you handle this situation? How would you execute putting this into law? Is there a simple solution?
Read Ruben’s letter to the TLC after the jump.
March 27, 2008
Mr. Matthew W. Daus
Commissioner/Chair
New York City Taxi and Limousine Commission
40 Rector Street
New York, NY 10006
Commissioner/Chair Daus:
I write hoping to work in conjunction with your office, to address an issue that affects a multitude of residents who reside in the New York City metro area. Specifically, my office has received numerous calls regarding exorbitant fees for taxi rides from Manhattan to New Jersey municipalities that rest immediately outside of both the Lincoln and Holland Tunnels, such as Hoboken, Union City, Weehawken and Jersey City.
In many instances, New York City taxi drivers charge $50 for rides that are only a few short miles and minutes away from destinations within very close proximity to the New Jersey side of the tunnels. Clearly, these fees surpass what a metered ride would cost.
Moreover, the fee for a ride to New Jersey far exceeds the cost for a longer trip within the five boroughs of New York City. Therefore, it is evident that riders to New Jersey are charged rates that are not commensurate with that of riders who stay in New York City, creating an unfair circumstance.
Furthermore, a reduction in taxi fare for riders from New York City to New Jersey makes rides more accessible, offering many benefits such as increased commerce in New York City, reduced driving while intoxicated and raised revenue through toll collection to New Jersey. Also, drivers would not lose money, as additional riders would utilize this service, thereby allowing for more income.
In closing, please note that this issue is one of importance to my constituents, as we continue to share an economy with New York City.
I look forward to your response. Thank you for your attention to this mater.
Sincerely,
Ruben J. Ramos, Jr.
Assemblyman
Cc: Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg, The City of New York




















April 1st 2008 - 13:55:46 |
Katie_Scarlett wrote:
I never looked close, but it could be an old connector where the truck pumps heating oil for old buildings. Since that is not an old building, it is probably not even used anymore and should be capped (maybe it is a cap sticking up an inch higher than the sidewalk). Anyway it’s dangerous even for me when I stagger back from the bars at night.
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April 1st 2008 - 14:27:03 |
Damn, I am done with inflammatory comments for the day and must save the world through saute . . . another day maybe . . .
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April 1st 2008 - 14:28:44 |
I took a cab from hoboken terminal yesterday to jersey city and I think I read the flat rate from Hoboken to JFK was $85! Insane!
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April 1st 2008 - 14:32:52 |
there’s no “vicious politics” going on here brady. there happens to be two basic fundamental viewpoints on government. the one generally espoused by people like Ramos is that the government is there to provide a safety net for people; the other one is that people can take care of themselves. obviously this is a basic framework, but i do believe it’s relevant. amongst the many things that this dope Ramos should realize is that he has incredible arrogance, if not stupidity, to think that he can hold any sway over NYC. while he might be able to use his public position to apply pressure on something he believe in, he also is very audacious, if not disrespectful, of NYC’s sovereignty and the free market system. this is where the political views come back into play. he believe that the people need protection from themselves, when it is people’s free will that has determined that the going-rate for a cab fare from NYC to Hoboken should be approx. $50. and he has as much control over the T&LC as you do. perhaps he should take a political science course. he has no right to suggest to them the way they should regulate their cabbies. it is also VERY hard to argue that he is property investing our tax dollars by using the finite amount of time he has in office, to do something which almost inherently amounts to grandstanding (given that he has ZERO political remedy) versus doing somethng constructive for his people.
the real way to effect change is to start negotiating what they believe is a “fairER” price. right now, $50 is a fair price. the market has determined that is what the price should be. and again, i can’t repeat enough, it’s beyond fundamental that Ramos cannot tell NY what to do. he’s a grandstanding loser.
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April 1st 2008 - 14:38:18 |
sullyx wrote:
Yes it is true
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April 1st 2008 - 14:43:15 |
wait the lawyers comparison is just wrong.
What if government start standardizing everything. Like restaurant’s rates, food is my necessity, I want all my meals of certain kind to have a standard rate and I want all places in nyc to deliver food.
Traveling to Newark and JFK has fixed price for its fixed journey with variable parameters, unlike trip to Hoboken which might include more than 1 stop. Maybe they could make a flat rate for cab to Hoboken PAth
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April 1st 2008 - 14:47:17 |
MF wrote:
“it’s not surprising that Ramos is against the free market; he’s a democrat. i realize i’m stating the obvious here, but he doesn’t think people should be allowed to make their own choices.”
this is what you said before. your current post is much less of an attacking nature on all democrats.
i understand your point, and you’re obviously for the free markets. that is fine. but since we don’t truly have a free market, since there is a limited number of taxi’s by restriction of the government, and if people take a gypsy taxi they could risk their lives or lesser risks – then the free market doesn’t completely apply.
i’m mostly with you guys that are saying he’s wasting his time. but, let’s say a dialog does start, and he does manage to work with NYC pols to get a standardized way of calculating rates to NJ…wouldn’t this be a good thing for consumers? it may not be #1 priority, but it’s not a bad thing.
granted, he’s probably doing this for political grandstanding, and he should have just did it behind closed doors maybe, but if he does it publicly, then it gets media attention, picks up more speed, and might actually be useful.
while you point out that there are people who believe in free markets and people who believe in safety nets, there are also a large group of people who are in the middle and believe that the government should be involved in some areas, or the consumers would get gouged, but that involvement needs to only go so far. there are a lot of people who fall more towards the center than towards either the far left or far right.
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April 1st 2008 - 14:56:01 |
Hey MF,
You and Katie never responded to my post #119.
Are the two of you Ok with paying $1,200. for an annual parking Permit in Hoboken? “Let the free Market Rule.” After all, we all agree that driving is not a necessity, correct. There are a lot of “well to do” people who could afford that amount. Heck, I bet we can even sell them to out of town commuters that take the Path. Why should they pay $3,600. a year to park their car in the Garage.
Ps. MF, you realize you are attacking a politician for taking action, correct. By speaking with his staff, I understand that a lot of their time has been dedicated to try and move the sewer pump installation forward. Mrs. Zimmer is also working with their office.
Mrs. Mason’s office has dedicated her term to focusing on “Open Government”, not just for Hoboken.
Mr. Cunningham is trying to focus on reducing the cost’s of running the City.
I am sure that they all could be working on more important things, but what is important to one is meaningless to another.
Just ask a homeless man how he feels about the War in Iraq!
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April 1st 2008 - 15:00:07 |
plaintruthiness wrote:
Seriously, where the hell is townie when you need him!
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April 1st 2008 - 15:29:16 |
notnow wrote:
Yes, see my post in the April fool’s article, or any of the parking threads- I in fact, consistently advocate increasing the fee to park on the streets to $500, 1000 or more – basically whatever it takes, to reduce the clutter.
As it were, I park in a garage. I have a new car.
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April 1st 2008 - 15:36:39 |
Katie_Scarlett wrote:
I think increasing the permit price to $1200 is a great idea. I pay $3000 a year right now parking in a garage. I would expect parking would be easier in town if the permit was more expensive, so then I would be able to park on the street and save $1800 a year. Or there would be more spaces int he garages, lowering their prices, so either way I save money. Amazing how the free market does work…
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April 1st 2008 - 15:47:39 |
BklynHobo wrote:
more probably would be that only people who could afford $1200 to park would live in hoboken, which is a shame. i don’t park on the street, i park in the garage, but i think street parking for residents should be affordable. i’d be more fore reducing the amount of visitor spaces and business permits, and allow more residents to park and force those cars into garages.
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April 1st 2008 - 16:40:09 |
street parking; the bastion of the great unwashed and their “chevys”…
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April 1st 2008 - 16:59:38 |
bazztrap wrote:
When flying out of JFK for a few days, I find it’s cheaper for me to drive myself, pay the tolls, pay for airport parking, ride the Airtrain to the terminal, pay for my gas. Take an early morning flight and you can get to JFK in 30-35 minutes. It’s more convenient as long as there is no snow storm to shovel out of at the airport lot, there’s security in prison guard towers watching your car, and no haggling with cabbies and livery drivers trying to rip me off! I could even rent my garage space out for a few days to boot.
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April 2nd 2008 - 09:59:55 |
plaintruthiness wrote:
i’m driving there on friday cause i have too much luggage to carry, but i normally do mass transit to the airport. it costs about $15 total, you know exactly how long it will take, and it’s greener
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April 4th 2008 - 23:58:33 |
notnow wrote:
When since Bill O’Reilly said there aren’t any homeless war veterans, I guess he wouldn’t care.
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November 1st 2008 - 17:43:42 |
Why is it cheaper to take a taxi from Manhattan to Newark Airport, than Manhattan to Hoboken?
Are the cabbies allowed to pick someone up at the airport to drive back to the city?
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November 1st 2008 - 17:49:22 |
Hoboken’s tax & rent increases may force us to walk
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