New Ferry slip uptown

8/25/2008 Update:

Ferry terminal move seems to be complete. Let the complaints begin:

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8/20/2008 Update:

Hoboken411 reader Matt caught the “ticket hut” for the NY Waterway playing “musical piers” yesterday, as they moved the waiting area to its new location:

PHOTO GALLERY (HOLD MOUSE OVER IMAGE TO NAVIGATE – 3 PHOTOS IN THIS SET)

No Uptown Ferry service the weekend of the 23rd & 24th, with normal service resuming on Monday the 25th.

See previous updates and full NY Waterway announcement after the jump.

8/13/2008 Update:

As mentioned earlier this month, it’s true: New York Waterway is re-locating the 14th St. ferry slip “one pier north.”

NY Waterway moves Hoboken North terminal to more convenient location

Hoboken North Ferry slip NY Waterway

To improve customer convenience and to reduce the impact on a local marina, NY Waterway is moving its Hoboken 14th Street Ferry Terminal one block north to the foot of 14th Street.

During the move the weekend of August 23 – 24, NY Waterway will offer free shuttle bus service between Hoboken 14th Street and the Port Imperial Ferry Terminal in Weehawken. Normal ferry service resumes Monday, August 25.

Because of new development and new streets in the area, the new terminal will be more convenient to more riders. The new location also will reduce the impact of ferry traffic on a local marina, which was built next to the terminal several years after the terminal opened.

The existing terminal building will be moved to the new location, so customers will continue to enjoy an indoor waiting room with vending machines which accept credit cards for ferry ticket purchases. A welcome addition is a monitor which will provide up-to-the-minute schedules and other information.

Commuter ferry service between Hoboken 14th Street and West 39th Street in Manhattan is available seven days a week. NY Waterway provides free shuttle bus service to Hoboken 14th Street and free buses from 39th Street to Midtown and Downtown Manhattan.

For schedules and more information, call 1-800-53-FERRY or check the website, www.nywaterway.com

3/27/2008:

Word on the street is that they’re planning on moving the Uptown NY Waterway Ferry slip from 13th St (Shipyard Marina) to the 14th Street drunken fishing pier.

I was skeptical when I heard about this last year, but these guys working on the pier last week made me wonder:

36 Responses

  1. Friedupright says:

    [quote comment=”99312″][quote comment=”99309″]I’m pretty sad that the passive, open space on that pier will soon be gone. They’ll probably be putting up another, or perhaps moving the existing, little building for a waiting room and the ticket machines, too. Agh.[/quote]

    They are moving the existing building (per the article) which means that where it currently is located will soon be vacant. They take space – they also give it back. Should be no net change in open space.[/quote]
    Not really. The space that will be open when they move the ferry leads out to the Marina building and pier which is a private area. You can’t go out there or take a dog out there, or ride a bike out there so, yeh, I think it messes up the existing open space on the pier when they move the ferry terminal there. Unless, of course, they make plans for the newly created space and put in a kiddie junlge gym or something like that. Yippee! I think what pisses me off the most is that there is no public input regarding these changes. Private or not, this is still Hoboken, and the Applied companies should at least respectfully request input from the residents who live here and the public at large. Why no notices to tell us what is happening? Doesn’t this constitute a change in zoning or something? Anything? I mean, not that I would expect respect from Applied. They always do whatever the hell they want. Where is the stop work order that usually comes around this time?

  2. FMTVENG says:

    [quote comment=”99324″]Private or not, this is still Hoboken, and the Applied companies should at least respectfully request input from the residents who live here and the public at large. Why no notices to tell us what is happening? [/quote]

    Do you request input from your neighbors when you want to repaint your house, or put a swing set in you backyard? Of course not, it’s private property and you can do whatever the hell you want — just like Applied can on a pier that they own. I’m no defender of Applied, but your idea of asking for public input over what somebody does with their own private property just makes no sense.

  3. globetrotter says:

    [quote comment=”99292″]Seriously, what is the point? Move the location out of convenience for the Sovereign residents, but no respect for Maxwell’s? What are the costs involved? How about fixing the collapsed walkway on Sinatra first!?

    How do we contact Beth Mason?[/quote]
    Beth@masoncitycouncil.org

  4. ajm says:

    [quote comment=”99355″]
    Do you request input from your neighbors when you want to repaint your house, or put a swing set in you backyard? Of course not, it’s private property and you can do whatever the hell you want — just like Applied can on a pier that they own. I’m no defender of Applied, but your idea of asking for public input over what somebody does with their own private property just makes no sense.[/quote]

    Actually, for a lot of these types of things you do have to ask permission. They are called building and zoning laws. I would think that modifying a pier should require a building permit.

    Technically, in this town you can’t change the faucet on your sink without a plumbing permit.

  5. matt_72 says:

    [quote comment=”99524″][quote comment=”99355″]
    Do you request input from your neighbors when you want to repaint your house, or put a swing set in you backyard? Of course not, it’s private property and you can do whatever the hell you want — just like Applied can on a pier that they own. I’m no defender of Applied, but your idea of asking for public input over what somebody does with their own private property just makes no sense.[/quote]

    Actually, for a lot of these types of things you do have to ask permission. They are called building and zoning laws. I would think that modifying a pier should require a building permit.

    Technically, in this town you can’t change the faucet on your sink without a plumbing permit.[/quote]

    They have a permit. I don’t think the city regulates stuff like this. I know the Feds regulate it…….and perhaps the state too. At most they might need a permit to move the small building over there but as that is also located on a pier, that may also be outside the city’s jurisdiction.

    Here is a copy of the public notice on the application for a permit from the US Army Corps of Engineers

    nan.usace.army.mil/business/buslinks/regulat/pnotices/2007740.pdf

  6. homeworld says:

    NY Waterway is a private company unlike the PATH, or NJTransit. Therefore they do not need to consult the public about what they do with their ferry service.

  7. FMTVENG says:

    [quote comment=”99524″][quote comment=”99355″]
    Do you request input from your neighbors when you want to repaint your house, or put a swing set in you backyard? Of course not, it’s private property and you can do whatever the hell you want — just like Applied can on a pier that they own. I’m no defender of Applied, but your idea of asking for public input over what somebody does with their own private property just makes no sense.[/quote]

    Actually, for a lot of these types of things you do have to ask permission. They are called building and zoning laws. I would think that modifying a pier should require a building permit.

    Technically, in this town you can’t change the faucet on your sink without a plumbing permit.[/quote]

    a building permit is just simply to make sure that zoning laws are enforced (I dont think the pier is a historic landmark and the single story building being moved isn’t too big for the area, so no problems there. The other, more important reason permits exist is to make sure that the work is done satisfactorily so the structure remains safe after the construction is done. Besides that, you don’t need to do any thing other then apply for the permit (which i’m sure they did) – there is not a mandatory public comment period or anything. There is a rule that the permit must be displayed somewhere while the work is on-going however.

  8. homeworld says:

    Zoning approval is to make sure zoning laws are enforced. A building permit is to make sure the construction code is followed. If there is no variance involved, then there is no reason for public comment.

  9. elvisroberts says:

    as i recall, the shipyard plan had the ferry landing located at 14th street anyway.

    what i learned from my years working in transportation in NYC is that having transit hubs located at WIDE cross street intersections makes a lot of sense–especially for connecting buses as well as the added traffic the ferry generates.

    as for the regulations, in addition to local planning board (related to the rezoning of the Shipyard from an actual SHIPYARD to residential use) and federal Army Corps jurisdictions (triggered by the installation of a semi-permanent facility in the navigable waters of the US), the State also has special rules for waterfront access, and particularly for the stretch of the Hudson between the Bayonne and the GW, where the Hudson River Waterfront Walkway rules (dating from the early-mid 1980s apply)

    as for who owns the pier that’s a good question – i don’t know if it’s Applied, or the City of Hoboken. Hopefully someone will figure this out BEFORE the pier falls down like the Castle Point walkway where no one knows who to hold responsible for repairing it. That stretch of walkway by the gazebo didnt even last 10 years…

    as for Public Notification, I think as a user of 411 I deserve the right to know when people like friedupTight and FMTAngry are logged in. Some of the know it all ness and outright attitude on this site is a real deterrent to people who actually want to discuss, debate, or actually LEARN something.

    now I think I’ll go install that kit to make our baby stroller another 24″ WIDER so I can get on MORE people’s nerves

    CHOP :)javascript:SJB_appendSmiley(‘8)’)

  10. Colin says:

    [quote comment=”99547″]as i recall, the shipyard plan had the ferry landing located at 14th street anyway.

    what i learned from my years working in transportation in NYC is that having transit hubs located at WIDE cross street intersections makes a lot of sense–especially for connecting buses as well as the added traffic the ferry generates.

    as for the regulations, in addition to local planning board (related to the rezoning of the Shipyard from an actual SHIPYARD to residential use) and federal Army Corps jurisdictions (triggered by the installation of a semi-permanent facility in the navigable waters of the US), the State also has special rules for waterfront access, and particularly for the stretch of the Hudson between the Bayonne and the GW, where the Hudson River Waterfront Walkway rules (dating from the early-mid 1980s apply)

    as for who owns the pier that’s a good question – i don’t know if it’s Applied, or the City of Hoboken. Hopefully someone will figure this out BEFORE the pier falls down like the Castle Point walkway where no one knows who to hold responsible for repairing it. That stretch of walkway by the gazebo didnt even last 10 years…

    as for Public Notification, I think as a user of 411 I deserve the right to know when people like friedupTight and FMTAngry are logged in. Some of the know it all ness and outright attitude on this site is a real deterrent to people who actually want to discuss, debate, or actually LEARN something.

    now I think I’ll go install that kit to make our baby stroller another 24″ WIDER so I can get on MORE people’s nerves

    CHOP :)javascript:SJB_appendSmiley(‘8)’)[/quote]

    Insulting but yet very informative.

    You are my new favorite poster

  11. Friedupright says:

    [quote comment=”99547″]as i recall, the shipyard plan had the ferry landing located at 14th street anyway.

    what i learned from my years working in transportation in NYC is that having transit hubs located at WIDE cross street intersections makes a lot of sense–especially for connecting buses as well as the added traffic the ferry generates.

    as for the regulations, in addition to local planning board (related to the rezoning of the Shipyard from an actual SHIPYARD to residential use) and federal Army Corps jurisdictions (triggered by the installation of a semi-permanent facility in the navigable waters of the US), the State also has special rules for waterfront access, and particularly for the stretch of the Hudson between the Bayonne and the GW, where the Hudson River Waterfront Walkway rules (dating from the early-mid 1980s apply)

    as for who owns the pier that’s a good question – i don’t know if it’s Applied, or the City of Hoboken. Hopefully someone will figure this out BEFORE the pier falls down like the Castle Point walkway where no one knows who to hold responsible for repairing it. That stretch of walkway by the gazebo didnt even last 10 years…

    as for Public Notification, I think as a user of 411 I deserve the right to know when people like friedupTight and FMTAngry are logged in. Some of the know it all ness and outright attitude on this site is a real deterrent to people who actually want to discuss, debate, or actually LEARN something.

    now I think I’ll go install that kit to make our baby stroller another 24″ WIDER so I can get on MORE people’s nerves

    CHOP :)javascript:SJB_appendSmiley(‘8)’)[/quote]
    Sorry, I’ll let you know whenver I log on so my “attitude” doesn’t get in the way of your righteousness.

  12. Friedupright says:

    BTW, I live in the Shipyard so with all the charges I pay an the new increase in rent I just got, I just thought it might be nice to know when they are making a major change to the area. Not that they have to tell me. Seriously, I could give a damn about the ferry terminal. It’s one slip or the next, a hop skip and a jump away.

  13. elvisroberts says:

    Thx Upright. Maybe if your kid gloves don’t abate my righteousness then Obama losing in a squeaker in November might do it. much appreciated.

    Now can I suggest you start a building newsletter so all our friends at the Shipyard can start to know more about what is happening – or might happen – right outside their window.

    One thing I noticed today is that Maxwell Place did not put ANY trees along 12th St. Kinda strange there’s not even ONE…

  14. homeworld says:

    Sometimes the gate for this pier is randomly locked. I wonder what’s going to happen when it’s randomly locked and people need to get on the ferry.

  15. uptown girl says:

    I think that the gate was locked when the park was closed. I believe that all parks in Hoboken technically (aka officially) close between sundown and sunrise. So I suppose they will have to extend the park’s hours to accomidate the commuters. Although I will say, the vision of a couple of boatloads of commuters getting stuck on a locked pier is somewhat amusing.

  16. homeworld says:

    [quote comment=”101183″]I think that the gate was locked when the park was closed. [/quote]

    I’ve seen it locked in the past at random times like 5PM on a Tuesday, and at 11am on a Saturday.

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