Hoboken Parking Warnings

Parking Warnings instead of boots – to become law

Here’s a note from NJ State Legislator Carmelo Garcia. Sounds like they used Hoboken411 as a source (“fill city coffers,” “draconian policies,” ring a bell, don’t they?)

Automatic Booting Policy Ceases in Hoboken

Change comes after Assemblyman Carmelo Garcia called on City “Officials” to end this unfair practice

Carmelo Garcia Parking Boot Legislation Hoboken NJHoboken—Assemblyman Carmelo G. Garcia (D-Hudson) calls the change in Hoboken’s booting policy a good first step. Instead of immediately booting a vehicle parked illegally, the Hoboken Parking Utility is giving drivers a ticket and a written notice stating they have 72 hours to move their car or face booting or towing. While this doesn’t eliminate the use of wheel clamps or boots, it does give the motorist more time to fix the problem. “An automatic boot is not only unfair it can leave a motorists stranded and gives them no time to correct the problem,” said Garcia. “This is a more humane way of dealing with motorists who park illegally, at least temporarily while my legislation addressing this issue works its way through the legislature.”

Legislation sponsored by Assemblymen Garcia, Declan O’Scanlon Jr. (R- Red Bank), and Michael Patrick Carroll (R- Morris Plains) prohibits municipalities from implementing ordinances that permit the booting of vehicles with no outstanding warrants. This bill will clear up any grey area in the current state statute. “For far too long motorists, even those with no outstanding warrants against their vehicle, were getting booted due to Hoboken’s draconian policy,” said Garcia. “This practice appears to be an attempt to fill city coffers. And booting a car doesn’t open up a space for another vehicle. This legislation will protect drivers and put a roadblock in the way of any town that attempts to authorize overly aggressive booting policies.”

Hoboken Parking Warnings – We’ll see how long this lasts

7/14/2014 Update:

Well – at least a handful of “examples” have been presented by the HPU recently – how they’re apparently giving a select “grace period” before booting and towing takes place. Hoboken Parking Warnings. Right-e-o!

A few of these warning notices were placed on cars near ShopRite this past weekend – IN ADDITION TO parking summonses (i.e., pickpocketing).

“Notice – This vehicle is illegally parked in a permit zone. If this matter is not resolved within 72 hours, this vehicle will be subject to booting and/or towing.”

My take on this matter? This is political showmanship. They’ll “be nice” for a brief period of time (to get some spineless douchebag intern at the local paper to publish “positive headlines” that show how “relaxed” Hoboken has become…) and then revert back to their evil ways in no time at all. It’s how it works around here. “Govern for headlines…”

Hoboken Parking Warning Notice 72 Hours

26 Responses

  1. iforgotmymantra says:

    I agree this is much too nice to last.

  2. briank says:

    I don’t understand why people complain about HPU enforcing parking laws. Those same people bitch about not having enough parking in town. I dont know a single Hoboken resident who thinks that there is plenty of parking available in town. So how do we make sure that when residents return from work they have a place to park? By enforcing the resident only parking aggressively so that visitors know not to park there. As an experiment, try finding a place to park on a nice Sunday (no HPU enforcement) in the fall (football watching season at the bars). It is a free for all- cars parked in crosswalks everywhere, out of state plates parked in resident zones, cars partially blocking driveways. It is not only inconvenient it is dangerous to drivers and pedestrians navigating these intersections.

    • willow says:

      Understand what you are saying. But do what most cities do and ticket the person that can’t follow the rules. Booting a car makes someone never want to come back. [quote comment=”223393″]I don’t understand why people complain about HPU enforcing parking laws. Those same people bitch about not having enough parking in town. I dont know a single Hoboken resident who thinks that there is plenty of parking available in town. So how do we make sure that when residents return from work they have a place to park? By enforcing the resident only parking aggressively so that visitors know not to park there. As an experiment, try finding a place to park on a nice Sunday (no HPU enforcement) in the fall (football watching season at the bars). It is a free for all- cars parked in crosswalks everywhere, out of state plates parked in resident zones, cars partially blocking driveways. It is not only inconvenient it is dangerous to drivers and pedestrians navigating these intersections.[/quote]

    • YouStayCl@ssyHoboken says:

      This exhibit looks like it’s aimed at residents–maybe a Hoboken first? 72 hours to rectify? A better approach to freeing up residential parking, since we are sharing with such a transient visitor base, is better signage both for street parking (NO PARKING) and for advertising garages. Both will increase residential supply at the expense of reduced fines for the slush coffers.[quote comment=”223393″]I don’t understand why people complain about HPU enforcing parking laws. Those same people bitch about not having enough parking in town. I dont know a single Hoboken resident who thinks that there is plenty of parking available in town. So how do we make sure that when residents return from work they have a place to park? By enforcing the resident only parking aggressively so that visitors know not to park there. As an experiment, try finding a place to park on a nice Sunday (no HPU enforcement) in the fall (football watching season at the bars). It is a free for all- cars parked in crosswalks everywhere, out of state plates parked in resident zones, cars partially blocking driveways. It is not only inconvenient it is dangerous to drivers and pedestrians navigating these intersections.[/quote]

      • animal_lover says:

        Better signage would also reduce the “revenue opportunity”. The city would not want to do that. A simple signage of a vehicle being hooked would be adequate to get the message across. Sometimes visitors get angry with me when they ask for an interpretation of signs and inconsistent curb markings. I honestly myself have been parked legally and been ticketed in legal time windows and legal locations.[quote comment=”223400″]This exhibit looks like it’s aimed at residents–maybe a Hoboken first? 72 hours to rectify? A better approach to freeing up residential parking, since we are sharing with such a transient visitor base, is better signage both for street parking (NO PARKING) and for advertising garages. Both will increase residential supply at the expense of reduced fines for the slush coffers.[/quote]

      • YouStayCl@ssyHoboken says:

        Agreed. I have been ticketed similarly & had chalked it up to a rookie mistake. City still pressed the issue in court, defying logic.[quote comment=”223401″]Better signage would also reduce the “revenue opportunity”. The city would not want to do that. A simple signage of a vehicle being hooked would be adequate to get the message across. Sometimes visitors get angry with me when they ask for an interpretation of signs and inconsistent curb markings. I honestly myself have been parked legally and been ticketed in legal time windows and legal locations.[/quote]

  3. animal_lover says:

    With a $4 million parking utility surplus, consistent booting in my neighborhood and an army of ready attendants, I would say this is just a show.

  4. animal_lover says:

    That’s right! The court is in cahoots – they have to defy logic to set up barriers for you to contest further. I called Trenton Court Administration once when it was absolutely clear to me the Court was trying to shake me down and not following its own procedures. The judge will tell you that the court is independent but that Judge serves at the pleasure of the Mayor.

    • YouStayCl@ssyHoboken says:

      It was a shocking dose of reality. Parking offenses should probably be handled administratively to minimize perversion of the justice system. Sickening to experience the charade firsthand.[quote comment=”223403″]That’s right! The court is in cahoots – they have to defy logic to set up barriers for you to contest further. I called Trenton Court Administration once when it was absolutely clear to me the Court was trying to shake me down and not following its own procedures. The judge will tell you that the court is independent but that Judge serves at the pleasure of the Mayor.[/quote]

      • animal_lover says:

        It is endemic to this Administration.[quote comment=”223404″]It was a shocking dose of reality. Parking offenses should probably be handled administratively to minimize perversion of the justice system. Sickening to experience the charade firsthand.[/quote]

  5. KingStBuds says:

    I think one (1) resident on street parking pass per household could help free up resident street parking.
    More than one car in your household?? Park the others in a garage.

  6. animal_lover says:

    The courts had been fair but they were harassed by the Admin under Ian Sac saying that the judge was somehow too lenient. He wanted to keep the tow fees when the vehicle was found to be towed illegally. It took almost a year to fight this and get the funds back.

    Now the Court says they are independent – that the tow refund has nothing to d with the court – yet the prosecutor negotiates dropping the ticket if the defendant agrees not to file for a refund of towing charges. Can you say Cahoots?

    • YouStayCl@ssyHoboken says:

      The worst example was a few years ago, with an interim/part-time prosecutor. But a couple admins ago, when the city started enforcing 25′ crosswalk zones and ‘blaming’ the enforcement on state law–the city had painted parking spaces and placed signs within 25′ (actually NJ law allowed it) and the PEOs started writing ’em up en masse. The new law spells out municipal authority a bit more clearly.[quote comment=”223410″]The courts had been fair but they were harassed by the Admin under Ian Sac saying that the judge was somehow too lenient. He wanted to keep the tow fees when the vehicle was found to be towed illegally. It took almost a year to fight this and get the funds back.Now the Court says they are independent – that the tow refund has nothing to d with the court – yet the prosecutor negotiates dropping the ticket if the defendant agrees not to file for a refund of towing charges. Can you say Cahoots?[/quote]

  7. animal_lover says:

    The law was clear as written. Hoboken chose to provide it clearly written intent and administer its own fraudulent regulations. This is but one example of Hoboken’s administration violating the law in what they claim is legal because they choose to not understand clearly written English.

    • YouStayCl@ssyHoboken says:

      The law was clear to me, and I assume it should have been clear to anyone who actually read it without a severe cognitive bias. It is surreal trying to argue in court over what is plainly stated in the law, and be met with resistance if not outright animus.[quote comment=”223442″]The law was clear as written. Hoboken chose to provide it clearly written intent and administer its own fraudulent regulations. This is but one example of Hoboken’s administration violating the law in what they claim is legal because they choose to not understand clearly written English.[/quote]

      • joey maxim says:

        another point is kids using their parents handicap ids along with one care to a household its singing to the chior..the dl shows the person is handicaped but never checked..no win situation[quote comment=”223447″]The law was clear to me, and I assume it should have been clear to anyone who actually read it without a severe cognitive bias. It is surreal trying to argue in court over what is plainly stated in the law, and be met with resistance if not outright animus.[/quote]

      • animal_lover says:

        HUH? Handicapped parking is for a single spot in town – no matter who the driver.

        Some states will issue a handicap ID to a family member or care taker so the handicapped person can be cared for properly at appointment, shopping etc.

        Furthermore the handicap ID process requires medical certification. [quote comment=”223451″]another point is kids using their parents handicap ids along with one care to a household its singing to the chior..the dl shows the person is handicaped but never checked..no win situation[/quote]

      • joey maxim says:

        only if that handicap # affixed to a post in a proper marked spot is showing..with an id or # is in view..no other handicap vehicle can use that spot..most tags used for shopping areas…many cars parking there have been towed with owner thinking it was proper to use that spot..Im speaking of a senior family member switching the tags with young family members..the handicap info should be posted on the dl or reg..upon question a cop has the right to check the dl..its simple to get a hanidcap tag .a moot point and its like singing to the chior..just saying ..will never change

        3[quote comment=”223452″]HUH? Handicapped parking is for a single spot in town – no matter who the driver.Some states will issue a handicap ID to a family member or care taker so the handicapped person can be cared for properly at appointment, shopping etc.Furthermore the handicap ID process requires medical certification.[/quote]

      • animal_lover says:

        The laws for generalized ( non- individualized ) handicap parking are changing to make spots for those with wheelchairs right up front, rather than other types of handicaps that might require dedicated parking but not necessarily the first in a row of spots.

        Switching tags is never allowed.

        [quote comment=”223461″]only if that handicap # affixed to a post in a proper marked spot is showing..with an id or # is in view..no other handicap vehicle can use that spot..most tags used for shopping areas…many cars parking there have been towed with owner thinking it was proper to use that spot..Im speaking of a senior family member switching the tags with young family members..the handicap info should be posted on the dl or reg..upon question a cop has the right to check the dl..its simple to get a hanidcap tag .a moot point and its like singing to the chior..just saying ..will never change3[/quote]

      • joey maxim says:

        correct.on the money…so many visitors have pkd iin assigned spots for they had handicap tags or lic plates going to dinner only to find the car towed..never looked at the pole with the id usually 4 digits…As for tags on the rearview mirror its situation norm to give siblings their tags..sure switching is not allowed but they do..If one has a bad heart or has seisures etc should not be driving anyway…as for getting a handicap tag or license plate two doctors notes and your local politican aka councelman woman,or st reps..the key is so many unnessary tags giving out too many that are not really handi caped .taking up tons of spaces..its singing to the chior and a moot point altough i like your idea of speical handicap spots for those who really are hanidaped..[quote comment=”223462″]The laws for generalized ( non- individualized ) handicap parking are changing to make spots for those with wheelchairs right up front, rather than other types of handicaps that might require dedicated parking but not necessarily the first in a row of spots.Switching tags is never allowed.[/quote]

      • animal_lover says:

        “really are handicapped”…. keep in mind that many handicaps are not visible. I know a number of handicapped who do not apply because they don’t want to be harassed by the able bodied of Hoboken. Sad….[quote comment=”223466″]correct.on the money…so many visitors have pkd iin assigned spots for they had handicap tags or lic plates going to dinner only to find the car towed..never looked at the pole with the id usually 4 digits…As for tags on the rearview mirror its situation norm to give siblings their tags..sure switching is not allowed but they do..If one has a bad heart or has seisures etc should not be driving anyway…as for getting a handicap tag or license plate two doctors notes and your local politican aka councelman woman,or st reps..the key is so many unnessary tags giving out too many that are not really handi caped .taking up tons of spaces..its singing to the chior and a moot point altough i like your idea of speical handicap spots for those who really are hanidaped..[/quote]

      • joey maxim says:

        its visable clear as day on the rear view mirror or on the license tag,.again the assigned spots with the number on the post clearly states the number ..no other handicap car can park there..many dont look and consider that for all handicaps. as for applying the tag on the dash or rear view mirror makes no sense..able bodied people can only moan..guess its a moot point..[quote comment=”223469″]“really are handicapped”…. keep in mind that many handicaps are not visible. I know a number of handicapped who do not apply because they don’t want to be harassed by the able bodied of Hoboken. Sad….[/quote]

  8. animal_lover says:

    I think everyone who has been issued a ticket for booting or towing without proper cause should have restitution. That includes hundreds that were towed for clearing of snow and the continuous towing for improper temp parking signage (that does not meet state and federal standards for street signs).

  9. showme789 says:

    This move simply adds to an already confusing parking situation in Hoboken. You can’t change the rules of the game whenever you feel like. Right now, the city is asking Parking Enforcement Officers and the Police to violate the laws of the city. What needs to be done is to have the governing ordinances repealed and new ordinances adopted. Any first year law student can tell you that this kind of selective enforcement or in this case, selective non-enforcement is unconstitutional.

    The City is attempting to get itself out from under a multi-million dollar lawsuit but this is simply burying it further.

    Ordinances have to be repealed, signs removed, new ordinances adopted and new signs placed. Anything short of following the law exposes the city to further legal action. The haphazard way of governing will no doubt show a judge the ineptitude of the current administration and will force the taxpayers to pay up for the incompetent officials who make these mistakes.

  10. HomeTeam says:

    It appears that since the “good” press hit is over, parking policy has now reverted to the original “boot! boot! boot!” policy.

    I noticed they booted a car on Jackson btw Patterson and 1st this morning that had not been there longer than a few hours.

    • animal_lover says:

      Likely the PU took a look at the weekly “receipts” and the fact that the Admin does not manage the budget and made the conscious decision to continue the theft.[quote comment=”223468″]It appears that since the “good” press hit is over, parking policy has now reverted to the original “boot! boot! boot!” policy.I noticed they booted a car on Jackson btw Patterson and 1st this morning that had not been there longer than a few hours.[/quote]

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